RE: Newbs in the East: Psych0 (Axis) vs Drakken (Sov) - NO AXIS ALLOWED

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HardLuckYetAgain -> RE: Newbs in the East: Psych0 (Axis) vs Drakken (Sov) - NO AXIS ALLOWED (9/14/2017 12:55:01 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: HardLuckYetAgain quote: ORIGINAL: Neogodhobo dont know how to delele messages. In Mother Russia "message" delete "you"! :-P

WingedIncubus -> RE: Newbs in the East: Psych0 (Axis) vs Drakken (Sov) - NO AXIS ALLOWED (9/15/2017 5:54:51 AM)
T4 - SITREP 1st Panzer group has pierced through our lines in the Novgorod woods, but thankfully its ZOC has not crossed the Luga yet. First priority is to retreat every walking man behind the Luga river to stem the panzers' advance. My extreme Southern front is completely encircled, north of Nikolaev. There's nowhere they can to go to escape. I will have strip bare Kiev of its industries and everything pull out... but to where??? Obviously, along the Dnepr would be too close - and only serve thin out my remaining units along an untenable line. I am thinking of pulling way in the East toward the Poltava-Dnepropetrosk-Zaporozhye line in front Kharkov, to give me time to fortify... but I fear it is sacrificing way too much space to the Germans, too quick. All I get as reinforcement this turn... are ****ty Cavalry Divisions which are barely formed. [:@] The worst is... seems psych0 is playing without HQBU on purpose. He is playing with a arm tied behind his back. Makes me feel even more that I do nothing right and just throw in the towel. [img]https://i.imgur.com/trH6HC5.png[/img] [img]https://i.imgur.com/wR2TtqF.png[/img] [img]https://i.imgur.com/UKt67qJ.png[/img] [img]https://i.imgur.com/c2Jie4G.png[/img]

WingedIncubus -> RE: Newbs in the East: Psych0 (Axis) vs Drakken (Sov) - NO AXIS ALLOWED (9/18/2017 9:08:46 PM)
T4 - Northern Sector I remove the white gloves in the North. Every single available unit is assigned to the Novgorod line to mount a stern defence in the direct line towards Leningrad, and some Rifle Divisions are sent from the Moscow area to buff the defence around Novgorod. The blocking troops on the Shelon river also sent North in reserve. Koniev is reassigned as Commander of the Northwest Front, and all Leningrad Rifle Divisions are assigned to 11th Army under Popov's Northern Front. Popov, however, will be next to go. This massively increases the CV power of all troops on the front. If Psych0 wants to take Leningrad, he will have lose his teeth trying to do so. [img]https://i.imgur.com/p1OobGN.png[/img] On the Finnish border, psych0 has totally forgot that Finland is now at war with the Soviet Union. Not a single attack or movement; nothing! Complete breakdown of command and control on the part of the Finnish Army! I seize this opportunity and immediately start rapatriating all my strong Divisions south to the Leningrad isthmus, leaving only the SEC troops as buffer. I will leave a screen at the no-attack line to cover, while my strongest troops go south of Leningrad. [img]https://i.imgur.com/uZguDnb.png[/img]

WingedIncubus -> RE: Newbs in the East: Psych0 (Axis) vs Drakken (Sov) - NO AXIS ALLOWED (9/18/2017 9:36:06 PM)
T4 - Centre Sector Velikye Luki is now surrounded by almost the whole 2nd Panzer Group. All available forces are ordered to strength the right flank under the new Reserve Front. No one Division is left under STAVKA, to make sure they are at maximum combat effectiveness. I also use the Moscow Military District to try to affect troops and help setting up the defence in front of Vyasma. I cannot fathom that Psych0 would attempt an offensive so soon, with only a few scattered Panzer units advanced like this and the bulk of his Infantry Division still lagging way behind. This will buy us a turn or two to concentrate more troops in and around Moscow to start building forts again. [img]https://i.imgur.com/ga24bvf.png[/img] [img]https://i.imgur.com/M06dXzm.png[/img]

WingedIncubus -> RE: Newbs in the East: Psych0 (Axis) vs Drakken (Sov) - NO AXIS ALLOWED (9/18/2017 9:58:03 PM)
T4 - South Sector Facing being completely surrounded around Kiev, all troops immediately redeploy East to avoid annihilation to establish a new line of defence along the Psel and Ingulets line. I leave the Airborne divisions behind (or rather forward) around Kiev, for a last stand defence to the death to buy as much time as possible. Most of my Southeastern Front troops cannot concentrate in the South right in the face of 4th Panzer Group. I do not possess a critical mass of counters to even hope to hinder his panzers if he lunges forward, and the front is way too wide to hope anything but a screen. So I build a secondary line in front of Zaporozhye. My approach for now in the South is to deny battle - avoid making a stand before I reach a sufficient critical mass. If I can lure his panzers even further forward the Don Basin away from his infantry which will be busy mopping out the pocket, I might stretch his supply lines and use this in my advantage. [img]https://i.imgur.com/PyTKDOb.png[/img]

WingedIncubus -> RE: Newbs in the East: Psych0 (Axis) vs Drakken (Sov) - NO AXIS ALLOWED (9/18/2017 10:02:55 PM)
T4 - Evacuation and other considerations Kiev has been stripped completely bare of its Armament and HI factories. I want psych0 to fight a grizly battle and waste time for a competely empty city. By the end of the turn, I had enough rail to move only 2 Armament factories from Nikolaev. The rest will have to be abandoned with the city. All of the above where moved to Chkalov for immediate rebuilding.

Nix77 -> RE: Newbs in the East: Psych0 (Axis) vs Drakken (Sov) - NO AXIS ALLOWED (9/19/2017 5:45:40 AM)
I'd say you may have left the Dnepr banks south of Kiev a bit too early. Breaching a major river is really difficult task, the Soviet should hold those crossings as long as possible. Making a breach when the Germans start their turn 40 miles west from the river shouldn't possible if you make a half decent line along the river.

aldiladeisogni1 -> RE: Newbs in the East: Psych0 (Axis) vs Drakken (Sov) - NO AXIS ALLOWED (9/19/2017 9:30:57 AM)
A good defense for the few troops you have.

HardLuckYetAgain -> RE: Newbs in the East: Psych0 (Axis) vs Drakken (Sov) - NO AXIS ALLOWED (9/19/2017 11:25:24 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Drakken T4 - Evacuation and other considerations Kiev has been stripped completely bare of its Armament and HI factories. I want psych0 to fight a grizly battle and waste time for a competely empty city. In my opinion you just threw good units away at Kiev. If I was playing the Germans I would just surround Kiev with B.S. units and move on east. Kiev is only important for VPs other than that let what is there die like rotten fruit fallen from a tree. They will auto surrender given enough time ;-) Just my 2 cents.

WingedIncubus -> RE: Newbs in the East: Psych0 (Axis) vs Drakken (Sov) - NO AXIS ALLOWED (9/19/2017 1:03:41 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Nix77 I'd say you may have left the Dnepr banks south of Kiev a bit too early. Breaching a major river is really difficult task, the Soviet should hold those crossings as long as possible. Making a breach when the Germans start their turn 40 miles west from the river shouldn't possible if you make a half decent line along the river. In hindsight, maybe you are right. And maybe also on T5 I will still have this option, given his infantry is still far behind with his Panzer so far south. However, that is the issue: even if I occupy the Upper Dnepr along Kiev and Cherkassy, PG4 is already passed my axis, which is bad if your front is in echelon: if he turns North suddenly and pierces through, I am not sure those troops will be able to retreat back. Basically, he has committed to drive his PG along the roads around Krivoi Rog basin. That's where my troops need to be. So I need to buy time to reshuffle. With a third of my troops currently poised to get destroyed, my immediate concern was to prevent annihilation. I felt occupying the upper Dnepr would stretch my line too thin and place my right flank way too far forward if psych0 pierces through to reach the lower Dnepr. Hence why I decided to bring in my troops the most east possible, aiming to defend the lower Dnepr instead while his infantry waste turns walking through empty, scortched land to reach my front.

SparkleyTits -> RE: Newbs in the East: Psych0 (Axis) vs Drakken (Sov) - NO AXIS ALLOWED (9/19/2017 2:57:48 PM)
It's all in the process of learning bud it is defintely better to play it safe and see what you could of done better when learning than being risky, overeaching and then thinking of what you should of done in my opinion You are doing a really good job seen as it is your first Russian game and from the way you are playing I imagine come your second game you are going to see an amazingly huge improvement in your early game it's just a matter of learning the ebb and flow of the units and mechanics etc which will soon stick with you and if you make it to your first blizzard I reckon then you will be good to go for the whole 200 turns! Just play it safe and keep your cool, focus on surviving 1941 as safely and as in tact as you can I wish I had your level of aptitude when I played my first game :) Good job man!

WingedIncubus -> RE: Newbs in the East: Psych0 (Axis) vs Drakken (Sov) - NO AXIS ALLOWED (9/20/2017 6:18:00 AM)
Thank you, guys. I admit, I find seeing German panzers so close from Moscow in the middle of July very unnerving. Then again, the battle of Smolensk did happen in July 1941. Quick question, tactic-wise: Early game, which frontal line defense is preferable facing the German panzers head on, when they are directly in contact, to absorb a maximum of their MP? 4 lines deep? (1-1-1-1) OR 3 lines deep, but more then one counter in front? (Like 2-1-1 or 3-1-1)

Nix77 -> RE: Newbs in the East: Psych0 (Axis) vs Drakken (Sov) - NO AXIS ALLOWED (9/20/2017 6:24:40 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Drakken Thank you, guys. I admit, I find seeing German panzers so close from Moscow in the middle of July very unnerving. Then again, the battle of Smolensk did happen in July 1941. Quick question, tactic-wise: Early game, which frontal line defense is preferable facing the German panzers head on, when they are directly in contact, to absorb a maximum of their MP? 4 lines deep? (1-1-1-1) OR 3 lines deep, but more then one counter in front? (Like 2-1-1 or 3-1-1) It's really a mystery I've been wondering all the time while playing the soviets :D It depends on so many factors that it's really hard know in advance. How many PzDivs are present, how many MPs do they have, is the infantry close, what kind of terrain it is, the list goes on and on :( When I'm playing the Germans I try to break the strong lines with infantry and make breakthroughs with panzers. If there's a 4 line deep weak formation, making hasty attacks with panzers may break the line. If you only have weak units, deep line might be the best option. With some stronger units, having strong points on the line may pay off even if it makes the line shallow. As in so many things in this game, experience is probably the best teacher in this regard too.

WingedIncubus -> RE: Newbs in the East: Psych0 (Axis) vs Drakken (Sov) - NO AXIS ALLOWED (9/20/2017 12:50:26 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Nix77 quote: ORIGINAL: Drakken Thank you, guys. I admit, I find seeing German panzers so close from Moscow in the middle of July very unnerving. Then again, the battle of Smolensk did happen in July 1941. Quick question, tactic-wise: Early game, which frontal line defense is preferable facing the German panzers head on, when they are directly in contact, to absorb a maximum of their MP? 4 lines deep? (1-1-1-1) OR 3 lines deep, but more then one counter in front? (Like 2-1-1 or 3-1-1) It's really a mystery I've been wondering all the time while playing the soviets :D It depends on so many factors that it's really hard know in advance. How many PzDivs are present, how many MPs do they have, is the infantry close, what kind of terrain it is, the list goes on and on :( When I'm playing the Germans I try to break the strong lines with infantry and make breakthroughs with panzers. If there's a 4 line deep weak formation, making hasty attacks with panzers may break the line. If you only have weak units, deep line might be the best option. With some stronger units, having strong points on the line may pay off even if it makes the line shallow. As in so many things in this game, experience is probably the best teacher in this regard too. Yes, I figure that it is a matter of experience. Hence why I ask. I have received my opponent's T5 and quite frankly, my situation in the Centre is making me scared ****less because I get scared of being pocketed again and I am under self-pressure not to cede a line. From my point of view limited by FOW, the German panzers are seemingly indestructible, with crazy CV and seemingly no loss in MP even being hundred of kilometers from their nearest converted rail line, able to cut through like a knife through butter, not even waiting for their Infantry divisions not yet in contact with my line. Psych0 is not using HQBU and even with this, he seems to be able to make fast movements even in rough terrain. I have studied the Eastern Front extensively. Even if I look at other people's AAR, I do not understand how they can manage to hold the center so close from Moscow before september, with units still at 1 CV, while sparing troops to build Forts in Moscow. Mine are at 3-6 CV each, even higher sometimes, they are all on the front with no troop to spare in the back, and it seems to change nothing. So, my only solution is to find a way to pad it with as many troops as possible, with no reserve or troops building forts around Moscow, even if I "know" he will just pierce and breakthrough again. Plus, I do not expect any empathy from other players from expressing my utter bewilderment. I still do so, however, because I need to vent it out and I know a LOT of newbies do not feel validated in expressing it at all, so they quietly leave the game. This is the reason why I created this AAR, at my expense. So that veterans can chime in and give support and reassurance to budding Soviet players like me who, quite frankly, were left on their own to fend for themselves. I guess I will have to deal mentally with continuing the war with Moscow gone by Fall, that they are just dots on the map, even though the situation south of Leningrad is for now under some sort of control. I will make a SITREP of the situation later.

HardLuckYetAgain -> RE: Newbs in the East: Psych0 (Axis) vs Drakken (Sov) - NO AXIS ALLOWED (9/20/2017 1:11:41 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Drakken quote: ORIGINAL: Nix77 quote: ORIGINAL: Drakken Thank you, guys. I admit, I find seeing German panzers so close from Moscow in the middle of July very unnerving. Then again, the battle of Smolensk did happen in July 1941. Quick question, tactic-wise: Early game, which frontal line defense is preferable facing the German panzers head on, when they are directly in contact, to absorb a maximum of their MP? 4 lines deep? (1-1-1-1) OR 3 lines deep, but more then one counter in front? (Like 2-1-1 or 3-1-1) It's really a mystery I've been wondering all the time while playing the soviets :D It depends on so many factors that it's really hard know in advance. How many PzDivs are present, how many MPs do they have, is the infantry close, what kind of terrain it is, the list goes on and on :( When I'm playing the Germans I try to break the strong lines with infantry and make breakthroughs with panzers. If there's a 4 line deep weak formation, making hasty attacks with panzers may break the line. If you only have weak units, deep line might be the best option. With some stronger units, having strong points on the line may pay off even if it makes the line shallow. As in so many things in this game, experience is probably the best teacher in this regard too. Yes, I figure that it is a matter of experience. Hence why I ask. I have received my opponent's T5 and quite frankly, my situation in the Centre is making me scared ****less because I get scared of being pocketed again and I am under self-pressure not to cede a line. From my point of view limited by FOW, the German panzers are seemingly indestructible, with crazy CV and seemingly no loss in MP even being hundred of kilometres from their nearest converted rail line, and not even waiting for their Infantry divisions still closing, but not yet in contact with my line. Psych0 is not using HQBU and even with this, he seems to be able to make fast movements even in rough terrain. I have studied the Eastern Front extensively. This makes no sense that he should be able to pull this. Even if I look at other people's AAR, I do not understand how they can manage to hold the centre so close from Moscow with units still at 1 CV, while sparing troops to build Forts in Moscow. Mine are at 3-6 CV, even higher sometimes, they are all on the front with no troop to spare in the back, and it seems to change nothing. So, my only solution is to find a way to pad it with as many troops as possible, with no reserve or troops building forts around Moscow, even if I "know" he will just pierce and breakthrough again. Plus, I do not expect any empathy from other players from expressing my utter bewilderment. I still do so, however, because I need to vent and I know a LOT of newbies do not feel validated in expressing it at all, so they quietly leave the game. This is the reason why I created this AAR, at my expense. So that veterans can chime in and give support and reassurance to budding Soviet players like me who, quite frankly, were left on their own to fend for themselves. I guess I will have to deal mentally with continuing the war with Moscow gone by Fall, that they are just dots on the map, even though the situation south of Leningrad is for now under some sort of control. I will make a SITREP of the situation later. Depends on your opponent to be honest. A rule that I use is that the Germans need right around 4 times the defense to normally be successful for a hasty attack(I'm not factoring in all the BS that goes in this but just as a standard value). Thus a 90 attach value German hasty attack in open will more than likely move a defense stack of right around 20ish defense. For a Normal attack I use the rule the Germans need 2 times the defense value to move that stack. So I normally try and get a 25+ defense stack to stop hasty attacks and plan the defense in depth 1-2-2-1 or 1-3-2-1 or 1-2-3-1 depending on the person you are playing. I even do 5 deep on some opponents. But really is situational based on person.

WingedIncubus -> RE: Newbs in the East: Psych0 (Axis) vs Drakken (Sov) - NO AXIS ALLOWED (9/20/2017 1:15:15 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: HardLuckYetAgain Depends on your opponent to be honest. A rule that I use is that the Germans need right around 4 times the defense to normally be successful for a hasty attack(I'm not factoring in all the BS that goes in this but just as a standard value). Thus a 90 attach value German hasty attack in open will more than likely move a defense stack of right around 20ish defense. For a Normal attack I use the rule the Germans need 2 times the defense value to move that stack. So I normally try and get a 25+ defense stack to stop hasty attacks and plan the defense in depth 1-2-2-1 or 1-3-2-1 or 1-2-3-1 depending on the person you are playing. I even do 5 deep on some opponents. But really is situational based on person. But that's in the Fall and Winter, right? How can you spare lines of 7 counters locally in the middle of July 1941? Right now, in the Centre, I would need to send all my newly arrived counters to Moscow to even be able to build a fourth line. You will be able to see it later when I send my pictures of the current situation on the front.

HardLuckYetAgain -> RE: Newbs in the East: Psych0 (Axis) vs Drakken (Sov) - NO AXIS ALLOWED (9/20/2017 1:21:44 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Drakken quote: ORIGINAL: HardLuckYetAgain Depends on your opponent to be honest. A rule that I use is that the Germans need right around 4 times the defense to normally be successful for a hasty attack(I'm not factoring in all the BS that goes in this but just as a standard value). Thus a 90 attach value German hasty attack in open will more than likely move a defense stack of right around 20ish defense. For a Normal attack I use the rule the Germans need 2 times the defense value to move that stack. So I normally try and get a 25+ defense stack to stop hasty attacks and plan the defense in depth 1-2-2-1 or 1-3-2-1 or 1-2-3-1 depending on the person you are playing. I even do 5 deep on some opponents. But really is situational based on person. But that's in the Fall and Winter, right? How can you spare lines of 7 counters locally in the middle of July 1941? Right now, in the Centre, I would need to send all my newly arrived counters to Moscow to even be able to build a fourth line. You will be able to see it later when I send my pictures of the current situation on the front. Yup in August later

Crackaces -> RE: Newbs in the East: Psych0 (Axis) vs Drakken (Sov) - NO AXIS ALLOWED (9/20/2017 1:38:03 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: HardLuckYetAgain quote: ORIGINAL: Drakken quote: ORIGINAL: HardLuckYetAgain Depends on your opponent to be honest. A rule that I use is that the Germans need right around 4 times the defense to normally be successful for a hasty attack(I'm not factoring in all the BS that goes in this but just as a standard value). Thus a 90 attach value German hasty attack in open will more than likely move a defense stack of right around 20ish defense. For a Normal attack I use the rule the Germans need 2 times the defense value to move that stack. So I normally try and get a 25+ defense stack to stop hasty attacks and plan the defense in depth 1-2-2-1 or 1-3-2-1 or 1-2-3-1 depending on the person you are playing. I even do 5 deep on some opponents. But really is situational based on person. But that's in the Fall and Winter, right? How can you spare lines of 7 counters locally in the middle of July 1941? Right now, in the Centre, I would need to send all my newly arrived counters to Moscow to even be able to build a fourth line. You will be able to see it later when I send my pictures of the current situation on the front. Yup in August later Just a note .. I am assuming alt-CV in your calculations .. I assume the extra lines depending on opponent is dependent on how ell they are able to corrdinte offensive reserves into battle and their use of bombing to prevent our defensive reserves from committing?

HardLuckYetAgain -> RE: Newbs in the East: Psych0 (Axis) vs Drakken (Sov) - NO AXIS ALLOWED (9/20/2017 1:44:35 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Crackaces quote: ORIGINAL: HardLuckYetAgain quote: ORIGINAL: Drakken quote: ORIGINAL: HardLuckYetAgain Depends on your opponent to be honest. A rule that I use is that the Germans need right around 4 times the defense to normally be successful for a hasty attack(I'm not factoring in all the BS that goes in this but just as a standard value). Thus a 90 attach value German hasty attack in open will more than likely move a defense stack of right around 20ish defense. For a Normal attack I use the rule the Germans need 2 times the defense value to move that stack. So I normally try and get a 25+ defense stack to stop hasty attacks and plan the defense in depth 1-2-2-1 or 1-3-2-1 or 1-2-3-1 depending on the person you are playing. I even do 5 deep on some opponents. But really is situational based on person. But that's in the Fall and Winter, right? How can you spare lines of 7 counters locally in the middle of July 1941? Right now, in the Centre, I would need to send all my newly arrived counters to Moscow to even be able to build a fourth line. You will be able to see it later when I send my pictures of the current situation on the front. Yup in August later Just a note .. I am assuming alt-CV in your calculations .. I assume the extra lines depending on opponent is dependent on how ell they are able to corrdinte offensive reserves into battle and their use of bombing to prevent our defensive reserves from committing? no, any CV's (I'm just throwing numbers around for numbers sake. I hope people can add up a single stack and do math ;-P) I'm not going deeper than that. there are just way too many variables.

Crackaces -> RE: Newbs in the East: Psych0 (Axis) vs Drakken (Sov) - NO AXIS ALLOWED (9/20/2017 4:28:12 PM)
I have found differences in "successful ratios" with alt CV (which account for combat support units as an example). The other variation is the commitment of reserve units. This is a big problem with 4 line deep Soviet lines as the back lines being safely in reserve contribute to the combats of the front lines changing the odds ratio .. sometimes dramatically ..

WingedIncubus -> RE: Newbs in the East: Psych0 (Axis) vs Drakken (Sov) - NO AXIS ALLOWED (9/20/2017 9:33:14 PM)
T5 - SITREP - July 17th, 1941 Well, it seems Psych0 is dedicated to win the war with his Panzergruppe only. He keeps pushing while his Infantry is far behind. Because of this, I believing thinning out most of my frontline that face where his lagging Infantry is in order to leave a screen, and instead mass them where the Panzers are expected to push. Blue arrows is where I evaluate he will direct his Panzer Group next turn. Red arrows is what I am thinking of planning, while red lines is where I am thinking of placing my units. [img]https://i.imgur.com/Ftv5wy9.png[/img] [img]https://i.imgur.com/t43hnOI.png[/img] [img]https://i.imgur.com/ZBxOAe6.png[/img] [img]https://i.imgur.com/7SHqdEb.png[/img] [img]https://i.imgur.com/gtgiVgb.png[/img] [img]https://i.imgur.com/TZRWQOh.png[/img]

Nix77 -> RE: Newbs in the East: Psych0 (Axis) vs Drakken (Sov) - NO AXIS ALLOWED (9/21/2017 8:47:44 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Drakken Yes, I figure that it is a matter of experience. Hence why I ask. I think I'm not nearly experienced enough to give any solid advice, thus my enigmatic answer :D I just mean that there is no single advice that would cover all defenses, mostly you have to improvise with what you have especially on the Soviets in the summer '41. One solid advice for Moscow defense is that no matter the cost, I would prepare at least some kind of defense ring around Moscow somewhere in 20-50 mile radius (Nara-Mozhaysk-Lama for example). Any defense set up at Vyazma-Rzhev is likely to collapse, so you will eventually need forts near Moscow. For the defense line in July '41, I'd just try to make sure that minimum amount of units would get surrounded or zoc-locked. Stacking units high is a risk since the germans can just go around and at minimum zoc-lock the strong stack. Making a carpet defense has a risk if there's lot of panzers around, with the amount of MPs they have at use, they can just use hasty attacks to create a large pocket. Reserve activations are really crucial to bog down breakthroughs as someone mentioned earlier! So basically it's juggling between options based on what knowledge you have (your opponents style, amount of troops present on both sides, terrain, weather on next turn, your own plan where the future defense line will be, etc.). I really wish I had the time to make comprehensive tests on defending with different formations under different conditions... but I don't, so I'll just stick to vague answers ;)

bigbaba -> RE: Newbs in the East: Psych0 (Axis) vs Drakken (Sov) - NO AXIS ALLOWED (9/21/2017 3:31:15 PM)
your Pskov defense crumbled damnd fast. i did defend Pskov just like hard luck mentioned it in his excellent posting with a whole army and zukov as army commander and am able to hold it even in turn 5. i recommend that you read this thread "the defense of Moscow begins at Pskov". Otherwise, you are doing well for a 2nd game as Russian.

WingedIncubus -> RE: Newbs in the East: Psych0 (Axis) vs Drakken (Sov) - NO AXIS ALLOWED (9/23/2017 3:51:16 AM)
T5 - July 17th, 1941 - Northern Sector Every able-bodied Soviet troops in the Karelian istmus are ordered to retreat South, some covering the No Attack Line while the remaining go South to assist in the defense of the Novgorod line. Meanwhile, I build as many Fortified Regions in and South of Leningrad to assist in building forts whenever possible. Everything in Green on the pic, as close as the second line, is in Reserve Mode. My take is that his Panzers will have a lot more trouble going through swamps and wooden terrain, making them more vulnerable to be grinded down. Not a step back, we will hold the line at all cost! [img]https://i.imgur.com/WKJ0ehD.png[/img] Meanwhile, 52nd Rifle Corps holds to flank at Staraya Russia, hoping to exploit that Mechanized do bad in wooden terrain AND across rivers. [img]https://i.imgur.com/5qITEiR.png[/img]

WingedIncubus -> RE: Newbs in the East: Psych0 (Axis) vs Drakken (Sov) - NO AXIS ALLOWED (9/23/2017 4:28:15 AM)
T5 - July 17th, 1941 - Central Sector Defending Moscow is priority number 1! All available STAVKA reserves are redirected to the Centre. 38th Army is created and assigned to the Reserve Front, behind the Volga River down to Rhzev to build a fallback line in case Psych0 go for my right-flank. However, all points towards a stab right at the centre. I resupply Smolensk and the surrounded Rifle divisions, hoping that it will impede some of its troops - especially in Smolensk with its 41 Defence CV. I move all my northern line a hex back, simply because the Germans are in some hexes passed the Dnepr, especially in the North. So holding the Dnepr becomes hopeless, so I redeploy slightly back to leave him a bit less place to maneuver before reaching the Volga. I also want to drag the panzers into the light woods, which are worse terrain for them, while avoiding any knick in my line that he can exploit. I also build Fortified Regions in and around Moscow, leaving STAVKA-assigned Rifle Divisions in each to begin building forts. [img]https://i.imgur.com/aCWvynJ.png[/img] [img]https://i.imgur.com/W2RKfOw.png[/img] Also, if I switch my Soft Factor to Fuel, his Panzer and Motorized Divions lose all their bars on the left side. Would that mean that he is finally out of fuel supply??? [img]https://i.imgur.com/Zj6Zhz9.png[/img]

WingedIncubus -> RE: Newbs in the East: Psych0 (Axis) vs Drakken (Sov) - NO AXIS ALLOWED (9/23/2017 4:45:28 AM)
T5 - July 17th, 1941 - Southern Sector Redeployment in front of Dnepropetrovsk is now complete. My recon confirms that Psych0 has redeployed half his Panzer Group to surround the holdout in Kiev. I air supplied Kiev as much as possible to hope that they last a turn or two and resist. Eith half his Panzer Group remaining and the vast core of his Infantry Division lagging way behind, would psych0 will throw his 6 panzer and motorized divisions and brigades forward without any support? Being on the move all the time... he must start to feel the effect of friction and longer supply lines... no? [&:] [img]https://i.imgur.com/cYmtMZ7.png[/img] I also start preparing the defenses in the bottleneck in Crimea. I will not do the same mistake like when I abandoned Odessa and left it defenseless. I will make Sevastopol a holdout that will, hopefully, pin some of his Infantry units away from the Donbass. [img]https://i.imgur.com/JdwpgwG.png[/img]

WingedIncubus -> RE: Newbs in the East: Psych0 (Axis) vs Drakken (Sov) - NO AXIS ALLOWED (9/23/2017 4:48:53 AM)
T5 - July 17th, 1941 - Evacuation and other considerations Gomel emptied of all 2 HI and 2 Armaments, sent to Magnitogorsk Krementchug emptied of all 2 HI and 2 Armaments, sent to Chkalov Dnepropetrovsk is removed 3 Armament points, sent to Sverdlosk [img]https://i.imgur.com/j2Neaez.png[/img] [img]https://i.imgur.com/jrvQ1qe.png[/img]

Crackaces -> RE: Newbs in the East: Psych0 (Axis) vs Drakken (Sov) - NO AXIS ALLOWED (9/23/2017 3:32:44 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: bigbaba your Pskov defense crumbled damnd fast. i did defend Pskov just like hard luck mentioned it in his excellent posting with a whole army and zukov as army commander and am able to hold it even in turn 5. i recommend that you read this thread "the defense of Moscow begins at Pskov". Otherwise, you are doing well for a 2nd game as Russian. Hardluckagain has a very well thought out gambit. It is a gambit in the true sense of the word. It appears given a standard opening that the Soviets can defend one front very well along a limited front. The defense depends on locating the best Soviet units in terms of morale and ability to dig, and place these units in strategic positions. Hardluckagain has identified Pskov as a center for this gambit. It is a gambit -- as this defense gives up the ability to defend elsewhere. By concentration units -- the rest of Russia becomes vulnerable. If the Germans discover this defense early .. it is only a matter of focusing on another front. An innovative Southern opening could be a Soviet disaster should the Soviets simply depend on a Leningrad first strategy. What Drakken now is most vulnerable right now in my opinion is a right hook.

HardLuckYetAgain -> RE: Newbs in the East: Psych0 (Axis) vs Drakken (Sov) - NO AXIS ALLOWED (9/23/2017 4:50:17 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Crackaces quote: ORIGINAL: bigbaba your Pskov defense crumbled damnd fast. i did defend Pskov just like hard luck mentioned it in his excellent posting with a whole army and zukov as army commander and am able to hold it even in turn 5. i recommend that you read this thread "the defense of Moscow begins at Pskov". Otherwise, you are doing well for a 2nd game as Russian. Hardluckagain has a very well thought out gambit. It is a gambit in the true sense of the word. It appears given a standard opening that the Soviets can defend one front very well along a limited front. The defense depends on locating the best Soviet units in terms of morale and ability to dig, and place these units in strategic positions. Hardluckagain has identified Pskov as a center for this gambit. It is a gambit -- as this defense gives up the ability to defend elsewhere. By concentration units -- the rest of Russia becomes vulnerable. If the Germans discover this defense early .. it is only a matter of focusing on another front. An innovative Southern opening could be a Soviet disaster should the Soviets simply depend on a Leningrad first strategy. What Drakken now is most vulnerable right now in my opinion is a right hook. If you check where the Germans are in my games compared to other games you will find that the lines around turn 15ish+ are going to be pretty close to what all the other player games out there are. The BIG difference is going to be Leningrad area still being held onto. As such you will have a VERY good cadre of veteran division on the Russian side along with a harden fighter Air force with Experience in the high 70's. (I'm 100% convinced the Soviets have to attack to gain experience/morale) As for being a gambit. It could be for sure for a great many players playing the strat. Experience plays a huge role in understanding all the moving parts. Having a very high degree of German experience is even better to play the Soviet side effectively. As for defending elsewhere you are trading space to the Germans that they would normally get anyway. Thus as a Russian I just give them the land but spare myself grief by not including the units they would normally surround in the process. Every unit saved by the Russians in the first 14 turns of the games is going to make it just that much harder for the Germans. I have to disagree that an "innovative" southern opening can be a disaster with this strat (at least on how I do it). I have played the Germans so many times and know the limitations of such a strat. The supply chain in the south is just too great to be 100% effective. Maybe if the "innovative" strat included armor from the center and you daisy chained HQ buildups every turn. But then again that would make the Russian defense even easier in the North and Center and that was the goal the whole time. A good Russian player will know which factories they can lose and which to get out in prioritized order. Then the Russian can defend or allow certain units to be sacrificed to slow the Germans. It is that experience that will make the difference. As Michael T has said in the past that you have to have a balanced approach as the Germans. Again this strat isnt full proof. It can be beaten. You just need to understand what needs to be done.

WingedIncubus -> RE: Newbs in the East: Psych0 (Axis) vs Drakken (Sov) - NO AXIS ALLOWED (9/25/2017 4:06:15 AM)
T6 - SITREP - July 24th, 1941 After taking a good look on my T6, I decided to resign and concede defeat. Perhaps this game is not for me, there is just no fun, no hope, and no chance for the Soviets in summer 1941. Leningrad and Vyasma is blown away - and Moscow soon to fall in August with nothing I can do except throw away counters to be weeded through again. Plus, Psych0 gets to just wiz through a carpet line of 5, (yes 5!) counters in swamps in woods in front of Leningrad. No need for infantry support, no need to stop and refuel, no need to wait for reinforcements because AFVs break down and need maintenance. Call me a quitter, but where's the fun here. I don't believe in fighting lost causes. and where's the interest when this one is lost. It's sad because playing Soviets in WITE is the one challenge I want to beat. But most beginner to intermediate Soviet players want to feel that even soundly beaten, their choices do have an impact on the other player. Right now, the first 8 turns are absolute torment. I will reconsider when the new patch comes over that fixes the Fortified Regions. [img]https://i.imgur.com/OVATaj9.png[/img] [img]https://i.imgur.com/Uq4Fl4F.png[/img] [img]https://i.imgur.com/1PSecTC.png[/img]

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