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Grenadier -> The Hitler miniseries-I didn't know it snowed in October in France (5/20/2003 9:34:00 PM)

After seeing the "controversial" film I now know why Hitler hated the Jews. He didn't like being hugged by them or perhaps the Jew attempting to comfort him after his mothers death took him inside and molested him.

This film is so hokey I almost have to turn away to keep from laughing. It was always snowy and muddy in France, apparently. Hitler, the frustrated artist, comes up with his greatest masterpeice, a swastika in a red background. He coerced his commander to give him an Iron Cross. What happened to Hess?

I think I will pass on part 2



Belisarius -> (5/20/2003 9:56:28 PM)

HAHAHA! :D

good call!



Orzel Bialy -> Hmmm.... (5/20/2003 11:27:56 PM)

history perverted by Hollywood? Never! LMAO! :D :p ;)



Hawk -> LOL (5/21/2003 3:17:55 AM)

Yeah Orzel like that never happens LMAO!!!!;) ;) ;)



Orzel Bialy -> Pardon me... (5/21/2003 4:29:24 AM)

of course Hollywood would never do something like that...why that would be like them taking the attack on Pearl Harbor and turning it into a sappy love story.

Think of it....if they did something like that then they might be tempted to have completely idiotic storylines...like some pilot sneaking a girl into his P-40 for a ride...or better yet flying those warhawks in between burning hangars during the attack. Please...how silly that would be if the went and did that! ;) :p :D



pasternakski -> (5/21/2003 4:34:27 AM)

The mere mention of this series was enough to make me pull out my tried-and-true copy of Shirer's "Rise and Fall of the Third Reich." One early passage:

"What ... had [Hitler] learned in the school of those hard knocks which Vienna had so generously provided? What were the ideas which he acquired there from his reading and his experience and which, as he says, would remain essentially unaltered to the end? That they were mostly shallow and shabby, often grotesque and preposterous, and poisoned by outlandish prejudices will become obvious on the most cursory examination. That they are important to this history, as they were to the world, is equally obvious, for they were to form part of the foundation for the Third Reich which this bookish vagrant was soon to build."

It's not often that journalistic writing absorbs you to the point where it is impossible to put it down, but Shirer's combined artistry and direct narrative style are irresistible. When words like these are available, why would one watch television?

"Bookish vagrant." Brevity is the soul of wit.



Tbone3336 -> Very well said! (5/21/2003 6:19:33 PM)

[QUOTE]Originally posted by pasternakski
[B]The mere mention of this series was enough to make me pull out my tried-and-true copy of Shirer's "Rise and Fall of the Third Reich." One early passage:

"What ... had [Hitler] learned in the school of those hard knocks which Vienna had so generously provided? What were the ideas which he acquired there from his reading and his experience and which, as he says, would remain essentially unaltered to the end? That they were mostly shallow and shabby, often grotesque and preposterous, and poisoned by outlandish prejudices will become obvious on the most cursory examination. That they are important to this history, as they were to the world, is equally obvious, for they were to form part of the foundation for the Third Reich which this bookish vagrant was soon to build."

It's not often that journalistic writing absorbs you to the point where it is impossible to put it down, but Shirer's combined artistry and direct narrative style are irresistible. When words like these are available, why would one watch television?

"Bookish vagrant." Brevity is the soul of wit. [/B][/QUOTE]

Very well said. I am sure many a students were required to write a paper on this since it was on. Hopefully they invest some time to read up and not use this mini series as thier only source. Why I expected more from this show I do not know.



Charles2222 -> (5/21/2003 7:21:45 PM)

I didn't have any negative impressions from the mere 20 minutes or so I saw of it. One thing which I'd never seen portrayed about Hitler which they showed, was how music played by his pianist often quelled the demons he seemed to be fighting. Sort of a music calming the savage beast.



Sturmpionier -> over the top (5/21/2003 8:00:05 PM)

Having written a little on H, I watched the film with interest. What came through was a gross caricature of the man. Very little of Hitler's intellect came through on-screen. He was mostly an emotion-controlled monster. In reality, Hitler was quite calculating in his early political career, but not much of that made it in. Too bad; there has been sooo much written about this man and his fundamental character that the filmmakers could have used. Instead they chose to gloss over the finer points and turn Hitler into an almost-constant rambler. This was much more true of him later.

I wanted them to carry Hitler through to the end. Showing Hitler in 1945, shaking and crazed, would have been a nice denoument.



Irinami -> Re: over the top (5/21/2003 8:37:21 PM)

[QUOTE]Originally posted by Sturmpionier
[B]I wanted them to carry Hitler through to the end. Showing Hitler in 1945, shaking and crazed, would have been a nice denoument. [/B][/QUOTE]

Amen.

As the local TV Listing magazine said, it's a Hollywood version, but it could get you interested in the real thing if you weren't already. So go to Barne's & Noble and grab Rise and Fall of the Third Reich!! ;) (That book is perpetually in the bargain-tables in B&N, should be around $15. I think some grognard makes sure it's cheap. ;) )



Fallschirmjager -> (5/21/2003 11:14:56 PM)

[QUOTE]Originally posted by pasternakski
[B]The mere mention of this series was enough to make me pull out my tried-and-true copy of Shirer's "Rise and Fall of the Third Reich." One early passage:

"What ... had [Hitler] learned in the school of those hard knocks which Vienna had so generously provided? What were the ideas which he acquired there from his reading and his experience and which, as he says, would remain essentially unaltered to the end? That they were mostly shallow and shabby, often grotesque and preposterous, and poisoned by outlandish prejudices will become obvious on the most cursory examination. That they are important to this history, as they were to the world, is equally obvious, for they were to form part of the foundation for the Third Reich which this bookish vagrant was soon to build."

It's not often that journalistic writing absorbs you to the point where it is impossible to put it down, but Shirer's combined artistry and direct narrative style are irresistible. When words like these are available, why would one watch television?

"Bookish vagrant." Brevity is the soul of wit. [/B][/QUOTE]

Ive read that book half a dozen times....Brilliant stuff



Tequila -> (5/22/2003 7:06:04 AM)

[QUOTE]Originally posted by Charles_22
[B]I didn't have any negative impressions from the mere 20 minutes or so I saw of it. One thing which I'd never seen portrayed about Hitler which they showed, was how music played by his pianist often quelled the demons he seemed to be fighting. Sort of a music calming the savage beast. [/B][/QUOTE]

That was Ernst Hanfstaengl playing the piano. He played for Hitler on occasion but it wasn't like he was his personal pianist :)

The problem with the two-part miniseries was it needed to be a lot longer like a week-long or maybe more. There's too many details that you can't cover adequetly in 4 hours, IMHO. The acting was excellent but the talent was lost on a weak story glossed over by Hollywood as others mentioned.

It's also yet another long line of WWII movies that cannot pronounce Frauelein correctly :rolleyes:

Heil Shicklgruber! Hehe.



pasternakski -> Re: over the top (5/22/2003 7:29:23 AM)

[QUOTE]Originally posted by Sturmpionier
[B]I wanted them to carry Hitler through to the end. Showing Hitler in 1945, shaking and crazed, would have been a nice denoument. [/B][/QUOTE]

Stay tuned. Part II is already in the works. You don't think that American television could resist beating a subject to death, do you?

"Nobody ever went broke underestimating the taste of the American public" - P.T. Barnum

Just ask Monica Lewinsky, whose career started with a certain taste in her mouth that seems, of late, to have become rather more palatable...



Sturmpionier -> Re: Re: over the top (5/22/2003 8:21:13 PM)

[QUOTE]Originally posted by pasternakski
[B]Just ask Monica Lewinsky, whose career started with a certain taste in her mouth that seems, of late, to have become rather more palatable... [/B][/QUOTE]

Ha, but oh that is just so grody (1980's moment for all of you):p



Charles2222 -> (5/23/2003 12:15:19 AM)

Tequila:
quote:

That was Ernst Hanfstaengl playing the piano. He played for Hitler on occasion but it wasn't like he was his personal pianist


That may be so, but I was under somewhat of the opposite opinion. If we're talking about the same guy, he was on the video documentary of The Rise and Fall of the Third Reich. I don't think he was hired on as a specific pianist to meet Hitler's every piano need, but I'm under the impression that they spent a good deal of time together, particularly in Hitler's down times. He was the man who composed the Hitler Youth theme for Hitler at least.

Here's a link which elaborates on a book of Ernst Hanfstaengl's:

(edited to provide a better link)

http://www.arcadepub.com/book/index.cfm/GCOI/55970100843830



degen -> (5/24/2003 12:46:04 PM)

I too was disappointed with this miniseries. The history of how Hitler came to power is rarely touched in film so I thought this miniseries held promise. But instead of showing the history of how an evil man duped a nation, it took every opportunity to degrade him. Particularly odd was the scene where Hitler first met the newspaper editor and went into a tirade at his house with a chunk of cake on his mouth. A pathetic trick to make viewers dislike him. Another weakness was that the actor playing Hitler, while having some good moments, mainly just whined his way through the part. This film is yet another example of Hollywood warping the facts and leaving the historical events behind.



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