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TheElf -> IJ Player production (12/5/2017 12:16:41 AM)

Need a little help shaking off some rust. Anyone point me to an up to date discussion of the merits of tweaking the Japanese production system?

Thanks!



Alfred -> RE: IJ Player production (12/5/2017 1:56:50 AM)

Depends on what exactly you are most interested in tweeking.

Here are some recent threads with both substantial contributions and hyperlinks to older relevant threads.

http://www.matrixgames.com/forums/tm.asp?m=4354969

http://www.matrixgames.com/forums/tm.asp?m=4349731

http://www.matrixgames.com/forums/tm.asp?m=4199401

Alfred



InfiniteMonkey -> RE: IJ Player production (12/5/2017 2:17:40 AM)

Alfred's suggestions pretty solidly cover Aircraft research and production. You will want to modify your thinking based upon scenario and your own intimate knowledge of the air model. :) As for other recommendations, I strongly urge you to read the document referenced in this thread:

http://www.matrixgames.com/forums/tm.asp?m=2933397

Very solid primer on the Japanese economy. I do not follow it completely, but a good starting point for thinking about the Japanese economy.

I'd also recommend two tools to use while you are playing:

WitP:AE Tracker (http://www.matrixgames.com/forums/tm.asp?m=2236936)
Intel Monkey (http://www.matrixgames.com/forums/tm.asp?m=4376711)



TheElf -> RE: IJ Player production (12/6/2017 4:49:47 AM)

Ok, so I haven't found a solution for this. I am 8 days into a Single player Babes Lite game as IJ. I switched production of aircraft at Harbin to Ki-43Ic. The factory isn't repairing. I thought it might be an HI deficiency, then a Supply issue in Harbin. Bottom line, none of my production changes seem to be repairing. The one common thing in all cases is no "local" HI but I thought HI was a cumulative asset that could be used anywhere in the Industry.

Any ideas how to get my factories to convert to the changes I made and start producing? This is not my strongpoint, and its been a LONG time since I played.



InfiniteMonkey -> RE: IJ Player production (12/6/2017 5:42:33 AM)


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ORIGINAL: TheElf

Ok, so I haven't found a solution for this. I am 8 days into a Single player Babes Lite game as IJ. I switched production of aircraft at Harbin to Ki-43Ic. The factory isn't repairing. I thought it might be an HI deficiency, then a Supply issue in Harbin. Bottom line, none of my production changes seem to be repairing. The one common thing in all cases is no "local" HI but I thought HI was a cumulative asset that could be used anywhere in the Industry.

Any ideas how to get my factories to convert to the changes I made and start producing? This is not my strongpoint, and its been a LONG time since I played.


Can post a screenshot of Harbin and your production screen (with Harbin Ki-43-Ic factory showing)?



Aurorus -> RE: IJ Player production (12/6/2017 6:03:35 AM)

The base must have over 10K supply to repair a production item: oil, refinery, industry, shipyard, or aircraft factory. Each repair uses 1k supply. So if a base has 10,157 supply, it will repair 1 item only in a turn. A base will try to accumulate 3x its supply level. So, set all of your bases where you wish to repair industry to a supply level of approximately 5K. The bases will then accumulate 15K supply and be able to repair up to 5 items each turn.



BBfanboy -> RE: IJ Player production (12/6/2017 6:26:58 AM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: Aurorus

The base must have over 10K supply to repair a production item: oil, refinery, industry, shipyard, or aircraft factory. Each repair uses 1k supply. So if a base has 10,157 supply, it will repair 1 item only in a turn. A base will try to accumulate 3x its supply level. So, set all of your bases where you wish to repair industry to a supply level of approximately 5K. The bases will then accumulate 15K supply and be able to repair up to 5 items each turn.

But only one of each type of industry per turn per base - if you have turned repairs on.



GetAssista -> RE: IJ Player production (12/6/2017 8:06:19 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: Aurorus
The base must have over 10K supply to repair a production item: oil, refinery, industry, shipyard, or aircraft factory. Each repair uses 1k supply. So if a base has 10,157 supply, it will repair 1 item only in a turn. A base will try to accumulate 3x its supply level. So, set all of your bases where you wish to repair industry to a supply level of approximately 5K. The bases will then accumulate 15K supply and be able to repair up to 5 items each turn.

I bet on this. One of the routines I do on the first turn as Japan is cranking up supply sliders in places where I have airframe/engine factories to ~5k so that base accumulates ~15k. Building up those few paces where spoilage can occure on this level is of top priority then
quote:

ORIGINAL: BBfanboy
But only one of each type of industry per turn per base - if you have turned repairs on.
There are no such restrictions. As long as supply is over 10k repairs would go on. I routinely group my airframe and engine factories by type in AI games for ease of management. And they all repair one per turn.



Dili -> RE: IJ Player production (12/6/2017 9:45:09 AM)

Yes. Every factory needs 10K supply.



InfiniteMonkey -> RE: IJ Player production (12/6/2017 2:28:31 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Dili

Yes. Every factory needs 10K supply.

Yup. However, he says that he checked supply requirements...



Uncivil Engineer -> RE: IJ Player production (12/6/2017 2:29:23 PM)

Getting 10k supply to Harbin can be a problem, ESPECIALLY if Port Arthur is stockpiling also. Don't stockpile supply anywhere in Manchukuo until Harbin gets over 10k. In addition, to ensure it stays over 10k, I routinely run a small supply convoy from Honshu to Rashin. Also, be careful about HI expansion in Manchukuo, unless it's a port. It even harder to get fuel to inland bases than supply, and no fuel means no HI.



BBfanboy -> RE: IJ Player production (12/6/2017 2:30:07 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: GetAssista

quote:

ORIGINAL: Aurorus
The base must have over 10K supply to repair a production item: oil, refinery, industry, shipyard, or aircraft factory. Each repair uses 1k supply. So if a base has 10,157 supply, it will repair 1 item only in a turn. A base will try to accumulate 3x its supply level. So, set all of your bases where you wish to repair industry to a supply level of approximately 5K. The bases will then accumulate 15K supply and be able to repair up to 5 items each turn.

I bet on this. One of the routines I do on the first turn as Japan is cranking up supply sliders in places where I have airframe/engine factories to ~5k so that base accumulates ~15k. Building up those few paces where spoilage can occure on this level is of top priority then
quote:

ORIGINAL: BBfanboy
But only one of each type of industry per turn per base - if you have turned repairs on.
There are no such restrictions. As long as supply is over 10k repairs would go on. I routinely group my airframe and engine factories by type in AI games for ease of management. And they all repair one per turn.

I was referring to other industries, but NTYMI, doesn't one per turn also apply to each aircraft plant? I have sandboxed the Japanese side a little and never saw more than one point gain on a given aircraft factory. Multiple factories at the same location, OK.



GetAssista -> RE: IJ Player production (12/6/2017 3:58:48 PM)

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ORIGINAL: BBfanboy
quote:

ORIGINAL: BBfanboy
But only one of each type of industry per turn per base - if you have turned repairs on.

I was referring to other industries, but NTYMI, doesn't one per turn also apply to each aircraft plant? I have sandboxed the Japanese side a little and never saw more than one point gain on a given aircraft factory. Multiple factories at the same location, OK.

What you meant was "per installation" not "per type" then.



BBfanboy -> RE: IJ Player production (12/6/2017 8:53:39 PM)


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ORIGINAL: GetAssista

quote:

ORIGINAL: BBfanboy
quote:

ORIGINAL: BBfanboy
But only one of each type of industry per turn per base - if you have turned repairs on.

I was referring to other industries, but NTYMI, doesn't one per turn also apply to each aircraft plant? I have sandboxed the Japanese side a little and never saw more than one point gain on a given aircraft factory. Multiple factories at the same location, OK.

What you meant was "per installation" not "per type" then.

As I said, I was not thinking of aircraft factories at all so "per type" referred to all other industry. But I wanted to make clear that putting 50,000 supply in a base with industry would not result in instant repairs of up to 41 industry points unless one had 41 individual points of repair to work on.



TheElf -> RE: IJ Player production (12/7/2017 12:27:05 AM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: Aurorus

The base must have over 10K supply to repair a production item: oil, refinery, industry, shipyard, or aircraft factory. Each repair uses 1k supply. So if a base has 10,157 supply, it will repair 1 item only in a turn. A base will try to accumulate 3x its supply level. So, set all of your bases where you wish to repair industry to a supply level of approximately 5K. The bases will then accumulate 15K supply and be able to repair up to 5 items each turn.


Ok This is what I thought. Its just taking a long time to stockpile so I wanted to be sure I was remembering the rules right. Thanks Aurorus!

@Uncivil: Yes getting the 10k supply to Harbin is a challenge!



geofflambert -> RE: IJ Player production (12/7/2017 2:16:23 AM)

It isn't enough to ask if we are producing enough players, but just how good are they?



BBfanboy -> RE: IJ Player production (12/7/2017 4:30:52 AM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: TheElf


quote:

ORIGINAL: Aurorus

The base must have over 10K supply to repair a production item: oil, refinery, industry, shipyard, or aircraft factory. Each repair uses 1k supply. So if a base has 10,157 supply, it will repair 1 item only in a turn. A base will try to accumulate 3x its supply level. So, set all of your bases where you wish to repair industry to a supply level of approximately 5K. The bases will then accumulate 15K supply and be able to repair up to 5 items each turn.


Ok This is what I thought. Its just taking a long time to stockpile so I wanted to be sure I was remembering the rules right. Thanks Aurorus!

@Uncivil: Yes getting the 10k supply to Harbin is a challenge!

If you can find an HQ to put in Harbin it will attract supply to itself. Command and National HQs pull the most supply.



Mike Solli -> RE: IJ Player production (12/7/2017 12:43:12 PM)

The HQ suggestion by BB is good. Also, you can move ground units there to increase supply draw too.



rustysi -> RE: IJ Player production (12/15/2017 5:19:29 PM)

OK, been rather busy of late and haven't had time to give my .02. For better or worse here it comes.[:D]

So, I play Scen1 and I don't know what levels are in 'Babes Lite', but here goes. I like to have my HI output (before the Allies bomb it to dust anyway[:D]) at about 15000. What that actually means is that Japanese HI output must be ~7500 (times two = 15k). I actually got this from the gentleman above, Mike Sollis' AAR. I find it works pretty well. In Scen1 this requires a modest increase in HI factories.

When it comes to A/C and their engines its pretty much a mess for Japan at start. She needs more of everything and has not enough of anything. In addition the demands on her supply are enormous compared to her at start levels as I'm sure you are aware. This I leave to you as I imagine your knowledge far exceeds mine.

At this point I pretty much brake from the community. I increase LI. Bad Rusty, bad.[:-] [:D] Here's my logic, if you can call it that. Some areas of the 'Empire' are just flowing with resources and have little draw on them. So its in these areas where the changes are made, because IMHO its cheaper to ship supply than resources. Shipping costs fuel. Fuel is blood to Japan, so if I can burn 15 points of resources to ship 1 point of supply, I'm ahead of the game.

So here are the areas I include:

Manchukuo, Korea, and even some bases in eastern China get a small increase. Now in this area the supplies will just end up in China anyway, but thats OK as well because I'm usually shipping supply into China from Japan anyway and this'll mean that I must ship less.

Sakhalin, and Hokkaido get a modest increase. Again the increase in supply in this region will help it support itself, especially as the game progresses and the need for more forces here grows.

Formosa gets a 'large' increase. Now this is relative. She starts with two bases with 40 (IIRC) LI each. I get 'em both to 100.[X(] Yup you heard me. That leaves the island with an excess of 400 resources/day. There's also an oil production of 80/day. With small TK's and xAKLs these are easily moved to the HI. Not to mention I bring supplies back to Formosa as the empire is going to need supply and this brings it just that much closer to where it will be needed.

So there you have it. Have I knocked out numbers to show this is economic. No. I sometimes just go with the empirical data and my gut feeling.[8|] Plus my numbers for supply and fuel in all my 'short' (end '42) past games have been satisfactory in my eyes.[sm=Cool-049.gif]

So there it is. Am I right, don't know. I'm sure others will weigh in and I encourage their input.[:)]

Hope it helps, or at least gets some wheels turning.

ciao



Tanaka -> RE: IJ Player production (9/3/2021 9:14:05 AM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: rustysi

OK, been rather busy of late and haven't had time to give my .02. For better or worse here it comes.[:D]

So, I play Scen1 and I don't know what levels are in 'Babes Lite', but here goes. I like to have my HI output (before the Allies bomb it to dust anyway[:D]) at about 15000. What that actually means is that Japanese HI output must be ~7500 (times two = 15k). I actually got this from the gentleman above, Mike Sollis' AAR. I find it works pretty well. In Scen1 this requires a modest increase in HI factories.

When it comes to A/C and their engines its pretty much a mess for Japan at start. She needs more of everything and has not enough of anything. In addition the demands on her supply are enormous compared to her at start levels as I'm sure you are aware. This I leave to you as I imagine your knowledge far exceeds mine.

At this point I pretty much brake from the community. I increase LI. Bad Rusty, bad.[:-] [:D] Here's my logic, if you can call it that. Some areas of the 'Empire' are just flowing with resources and have little draw on them. So its in these areas where the changes are made, because IMHO its cheaper to ship supply than resources. Shipping costs fuel. Fuel is blood to Japan, so if I can burn 15 points of resources to ship 1 point of supply, I'm ahead of the game.

So here are the areas I include:

Manchukuo, Korea, and even some bases in eastern China get a small increase. Now in this area the supplies will just end up in China anyway, but thats OK as well because I'm usually shipping supply into China from Japan anyway and this'll mean that I must ship less.

Sakhalin, and Hokkaido get a modest increase. Again the increase in supply in this region will help it support itself, especially as the game progresses and the need for more forces here grows.

Formosa gets a 'large' increase. Now this is relative. She starts with two bases with 40 (IIRC) LI each. I get 'em both to 100.[X(] Yup you heard me. That leaves the island with an excess of 400 resources/day. There's also an oil production of 80/day. With small TK's and xAKLs these are easily moved to the HI. Not to mention I bring supplies back to Formosa as the empire is going to need supply and this brings it just that much closer to where it will be needed.

So there you have it. Have I knocked out numbers to show this is economic. No. I sometimes just go with the empirical data and my gut feeling.[8|] Plus my numbers for supply and fuel in all my 'short' (end '42) past games have been satisfactory in my eyes.[sm=Cool-049.gif]

So there it is. Am I right, don't know. I'm sure others will weigh in and I encourage their input.[:)]

Hope it helps, or at least gets some wheels turning.

ciao


Hmm this is a very interesting strategy first I've seen this...



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