Allied fighter sweep of the KB at Pearl Harbor!!

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Cavalry Corp -> Allied fighter sweep of the KB at Pearl Harbor!! (12/6/2017 12:22:16 PM)
Dear all I don't think any of us have seen a fighter sweep a TF certainly not on December 8, 1941. The scenario we are playing is focus Pacific scenario 78, PBEM2 day turns I and the Japanese side Morning Air attack on TF, near Pearl Harbor at 181,106 Weather in hex: Partial cloud Raid detected at 72 NM, estimated altitude 14,000 feet. Estimated time to target is 33 minutes Japanese aircraft A6M2 Zero x 87 A6M2-N Rufe x 6 Allied aircraft P-36A Mohawk x 23 P-40B Warhawk x 37 F2A-3 Buffalo x 10 F4F-3 Wildcat x 15 SBD-1 Dauntless x 12 Japanese aircraft losses A6M2 Zero: 1 destroyed A6M2-N Rufe: 1 destroyed Allied aircraft losses P-36A Mohawk: 7 destroyed P-40B Warhawk: 4 destroyed F2A-3 Buffalo: 4 destroyed F4F-3 Wildcat: 2 destroyed SBD-1 Dauntless: 1 destroyed Aircraft Attacking: 6 x F4F-3 Wildcat sweeping at 17000 feet 3 x P-40B Warhawk sweeping at 17000 feet 4 x P-40B Warhawk sweeping at 17000 feet 3 x P-40B Warhawk sweeping at 17000 feet 3 x P-40B Warhawk sweeping at 17000 feet 2 x P-36A Mohawk sweeping at 9000 feet 1 x P-40B Warhawk sweeping at 17000 feet CAP engaged: Ryukaku-1 with A6M2 Zero (0 airborne, 6 on standby, 0 scrambling) 0 plane(s) not yet engaged, 2 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact. Group patrol altitude is 10000 , scrambling fighters between 10000 and 14000. Time for all group planes to reach interception is 20 minutes Kaga-1 with A6M2 Zero (3 airborne, 8 on standby, 0 scrambling) 3 plane(s) intercepting now. Group patrol altitude is 15000 Time for all group planes to reach interception is 20 minutes Soryu-1 with A6M2 Zero (0 airborne, 15 on standby, 0 scrambling) 0 plane(s) not yet engaged, 3 being recalled, 4 out of immediate contact. Group patrol altitude is 15000 , scrambling fighters between 5000 and 15000. Time for all group planes to reach interception is 26 minutes Hiryu-1 with A6M2 Zero (0 airborne, 10 on standby, 0 scrambling) 0 plane(s) not yet engaged, 4 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact. Group patrol altitude is 15000 , scrambling fighters between 10000 and 15000. Time for all group planes to reach interception is 20 minutes Shokaku-1 with A6M2 Zero (0 airborne, 12 on standby, 0 scrambling) 0 plane(s) not yet engaged, 6 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact. Group patrol altitude is 15000 , scrambling fighters between 2000 and 15000. Time for all group planes to reach interception is 19 minutes Zuikaku-1 with A6M2 Zero (0 airborne, 10 on standby, 0 scrambling) 0 plane(s) not yet engaged, 4 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact. Group patrol altitude is 15000 , scrambling fighters between 3000 and 15000. Time for all group planes to reach interception is 20 minutes 790 Ku-K-1 with A6M2-N Rufe (0 airborne, 4 on standby, 0 scrambling) 0 plane(s) not yet engaged, 2 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact. Group patrol altitude is 6000 , scrambling fighters to 7000. Time for all group planes to reach interception is 17 minutes

Cavalry Corp -> RE: Allied fighter sweep of the KB at Pearl Harbor!! (12/6/2017 12:23:08 PM)
Please note when the raid came in it said it was a sweep in the combat animation.

btd64 -> RE: Allied fighter sweep of the KB at Pearl Harbor!! (12/6/2017 12:32:09 PM)
I think I'm surprised that more Allied fighters were not shot down, let alone got off the ground after the PH strike. I think Jaco set it up. If not, I have no clue....GP

Cavalry Corp -> RE: Allied fighter sweep of the KB at Pearl Harbor!! (12/6/2017 12:55:38 PM)
Me too I think a lot of them got damaged. Certainly none of the dive bombers got through how they can be in a sweep also eludes me.

btd64 -> RE: Allied fighter sweep of the KB at Pearl Harbor!! (12/6/2017 12:58:14 PM)
The DB's are a strange addition to a sweep....GP

Yaab -> RE: Allied fighter sweep of the KB at Pearl Harbor!! (12/6/2017 1:03:49 PM)
Maybe they were set to Sweep mission at start by the scenario designer?

Jorge_Stanbury -> RE: Allied fighter sweep of the KB at Pearl Harbor!! (12/6/2017 1:33:55 PM)
DBs cannot sweep, maybe some squadrons were on sweep, some on naval attack?

btd64 -> RE: Allied fighter sweep of the KB at Pearl Harbor!! (12/6/2017 1:44:10 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Yaab Maybe they were set to Sweep mission at start by the scenario designer? Nope. The DB's are set to Naval though....GP

BBfanboy -> RE: Allied fighter sweep of the KB at Pearl Harbor!! (12/6/2017 2:39:52 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Yaab Maybe they were set to Sweep mission at start by the scenario designer? A CAP mission type can be set either as Escort or Sweep. I use Sweep when I do not want my defending aircraft diluted by doing bomber escort as well. I don't know what the setup for that scenario is but if house rules did not specify no changes at PH, the Allied player could have set Sweep CAP. The SBD-1s could have been set on a training mission and "Caught up in the attack".

Lokasenna -> RE: Allied fighter sweep of the KB at Pearl Harbor!! (12/6/2017 3:47:36 PM)
I have seen this occur when the fighter escorts for the raid clear the opposition. It normally occurs over bases... the last time I saw it was a few weeks ago, a fighter unit set to Escort beat away the CAP and it said "sweeping at 15000 feet" in the text file.

Zorch -> RE: Allied fighter sweep of the KB at Pearl Harbor!! (12/6/2017 5:17:08 PM)
If you ask me, this is a good way for the US player to lose pilots who might have survived if the action was over Pearl Harbor.

geofflambert -> RE: Allied fighter sweep of the KB at Pearl Harbor!! (12/6/2017 8:54:19 PM)
The Buffaloes were escorting the DBs, not sweeping. In reality, DBs and Avengers were on occasion ordered to escort or provide CAP, as best they could. Avengers sometimes used their transom turret to strafe ships.

Lowpe -> RE: Allied fighter sweep of the KB at Pearl Harbor!! (12/6/2017 11:25:15 PM)
Sweep ahead...not common, but not rare, perhaps infrequent? if care is taken in the selection of fighters on escort with respect to the bombers they are escorting you can get it quite often.

AFBTD -> RE: Allied fighter sweep of the KB at Pearl Harbor!! (7/7/2018 12:54:49 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Lokasenna I have seen this occur when the fighter escorts for the raid clear the opposition. It normally occurs over bases... the last time I saw it was a few weeks ago, a fighter unit set to Escort beat away the CAP and it said "sweeping at 15000 feet" in the text file. well i could explain better than this but my english i got learned in USA at Davis with my brother in law always smoking marihuana, sorry for my english he was laughfin all the time while i was not when smoking pope, and no marihuana him he was acting as a BIG brother Daniel was talking all the time marihuannoin and me silence with no marihuana surprise why nobady response on this forum me half and one year

AFBTD -> RE: Allied fighter sweep of the KB at Pearl Harbor!! (7/7/2018 1:15:49 AM)
many post and no answers or debate

Lokasenna -> RE: Allied fighter sweep of the KB at Pearl Harbor!! (7/7/2018 2:35:56 AM)
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GetAssista -> RE: Allied fighter sweep of the KB at Pearl Harbor!! (7/7/2018 10:13:36 AM)
That's just your normal Naval bombing raid, with some of the escorting fighters arriving like sweepers, that is away from bombers I guess. Happens sometimes. Does not relate to the Sweep orders except for text in the report

Rusty1961 -> RE: Allied fighter sweep of the KB at Pearl Harbor!! (7/7/2018 2:03:56 PM)
Did the SBDs attack?

Lokasenna -> RE: Allied fighter sweep of the KB at Pearl Harbor!! (7/7/2018 5:02:52 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: GetAssista That's just your normal Naval bombing raid, with some of the escorting fighters arriving like sweepers, that is away from bombers I guess. Happens sometimes. Does not relate to the Sweep orders except for text in the report I thought this was a new thread when I responded because I forgot thread necromancy was a thing.

Yaab -> RE: Allied fighter sweep of the KB at Pearl Harbor!! (7/8/2018 7:22:17 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: GetAssista That's just your normal Naval bombing raid, with some of the escorting fighters arriving like sweepers, that is away from bombers I guess. Happens sometimes. Does not relate to the Sweep orders except for text in the report Yep, the Dauntless DBs are not in the combat report. The fighters arrived without the bombers and their mission changed from Escort to Sweep.

GetAssista -> RE: Allied fighter sweep of the KB at Pearl Harbor!! (7/8/2018 11:31:33 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Lokasenna I thought this was a new thread when I responded because I forgot thread necromancy was a thing. Aww, indeed.. By that one and only guy I have greenbuttoned

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