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MakeeLearn -> RE: American subs fire too few torps on valuable targets (12/31/2017 4:50:15 PM)
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BillBrown -> RE: American subs fire too few torps on valuable targets (12/31/2017 5:14:56 PM)
This fragment for section 19.2 of the manual may explain some of the confusion: And, although the player can see all the ships in the defending task force, the task force commander may not be able to. I also take this to mean that you may see the type of ship, but the actual on site commander may misidentify the ship.

Alpha77 -> RE: American subs fire too few torps on valuable targets (12/31/2017 6:50:55 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: spence quote: Doctrine would dictate such actions. +1 Right now US/Allied subs usually fire the same number of torpedoes at Akagi/Yamato as at a PB. Well Yamato fires also a "full spread or salvo" of scarce main gun ammo at juicy targets like AMs, SCs or AKLs....[;)] And I guess eg. IOWA will do the same ? So Yamato was send out to fight some CA/BB fleet and stumbles on her merry way about a fleet with 3 AMs, and later over a fleet with 1 SC and 4 AKLs....in the evening of this day finally the enemy BBs were sighted. Capt of Yamato rubbing his hands: "Finally, the GREATEST day of the IJ navy has arrived. Those 2 old battleships of the weakling imperalists willbe blown out of the water"! ... boom crash... boom.... gurgle gurgle..bubble bubble... Capt, hardly keeping himself over water "Seems my ship has sunk...what the **** happened??" An offcier smimming near him: "We were out of ammo, capt san. Remember all those nice helpless targets we sank with 46cm like those small cargo and escort ships?"

Zorch -> RE: American subs fire too few torps on valuable targets (12/31/2017 7:23:33 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Alpha77 quote: ORIGINAL: spence quote: Doctrine would dictate such actions. +1 Right now US/Allied subs usually fire the same number of torpedoes at Akagi/Yamato as at a PB. Well Yamato fires also a "full spread or salvo" of scarce main gun ammo at juicy targets like AMs, SCs or AKLs....[;)] And I guess eg. IOWA will do the same ? So Yamato was send out to fight some CA/BB fleet and stumbles on her merry way about a fleet with 3 AMs, and later over a fleet with 1 SC and 4 AKLs....in the evening of this day finally the enemy BBs were sighted. Capt of Yamato rubbing his hands: "Finally, the GREATEST day of the IJ navy has arrived. Those 2 old battleships of the weakling imperalists willbe blown out of the water"! ... boom crash... boom.... gurgle gurgle..bubble bubble... Capt, hardly keeping himself over water "Seems my ship has sunk...what the **** happened??" An offcier smimming near him: "We were out of ammo, capt san. Remember all those nice helpless targets we sank with 46cm like those small cargo and escort ships?" Presumably Yamato would fire HE shells at unarmored targets, and save the AP/SAP for BB/CAs.

Lokasenna -> RE: American subs fire too few torps on valuable targets (12/31/2017 7:56:19 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Zorch quote: ORIGINAL: Alpha77 quote: ORIGINAL: spence quote: Doctrine would dictate such actions. +1 Right now US/Allied subs usually fire the same number of torpedoes at Akagi/Yamato as at a PB. Well Yamato fires also a "full spread or salvo" of scarce main gun ammo at juicy targets like AMs, SCs or AKLs....[;)] And I guess eg. IOWA will do the same ? So Yamato was send out to fight some CA/BB fleet and stumbles on her merry way about a fleet with 3 AMs, and later over a fleet with 1 SC and 4 AKLs....in the evening of this day finally the enemy BBs were sighted. Capt of Yamato rubbing his hands: "Finally, the GREATEST day of the IJ navy has arrived. Those 2 old battleships of the weakling imperalists willbe blown out of the water"! ... boom crash... boom.... gurgle gurgle..bubble bubble... Capt, hardly keeping himself over water "Seems my ship has sunk...what the **** happened??" An offcier smimming near him: "We were out of ammo, capt san. Remember all those nice helpless targets we sank with 46cm like those small cargo and escort ships?" Presumably Yamato would fire HE shells at unarmored targets, and save the AP/SAP for BB/CAs. The game doesn't differentiate between shell type - if it does, it only uses one of them.

Alpha77 -> RE: American subs fire too few torps on valuable targets (12/31/2017 9:04:50 PM)
Zorch meant in "real life" but in this case Yamato would not fire at all, if their mission was to engage a BB/CA fleet. The battlefleet with Yamato would be faster than AKLs or AMs etc. If they stumbled upon them they would certainly first try to disengage asap to fullfill their main mission. If somehow not possible use only light weapons. So ammo would be left to fight BBs/CAs. As you can see these abstractions in the game do not only hurt Allied subs. So we need to live with them.

Zorch -> RE: American subs fire too few torps on valuable targets (12/31/2017 10:40:16 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Alpha77 Zorch meant in "real life" but in this case Yamato would not fire at all, if their mission was to engage a BB/CA fleet. The battlefleet with Yamato would be faster than AKLs or AMs etc. If they stumbled upon them they would certainly first try to disengage asap to fullfill their main mission. If somehow not possible use only light weapons. So ammo would be left to fight BBs/CAs. As you can see these abstractions in the game do not only hurt Allied subs. So we need to live with them. Right.

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