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fogger -> RE: FITE2 Fogger vs Loveman 1 (5/16/2018 1:46:04 PM)

This is the start of turn 231. Willie has broken through my first MLR and surrounded the 34th Inf Division and part of the 18th PzGren Division in one pocket and 1 Regt from the 18th in a pocket by itself. He was trying to create two more pockets but has run into my 2nd MLR which has stopped his break in units. To the south just off the picture I have the LSSAH Panzer Division and part of the 4th Panzer Division. I will this turn mount a relief operation to recover the surrounded 34th and try and surround the 2 tank corps. That will have to be tomorrow night as it is now 2345hrs

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fogger -> RE: FITE2 Fogger vs Loveman 1 (5/18/2018 9:48:11 PM)

This is the position at the end of turn 231. I have been able to recover the surrounded units, destroy the two tank corps and surround the 4th GD Mot Reg. The units surrounding the 4th are not that strong so I think Willie will be able to recover it during turn 232 which I have just now got back from Willie. I will load it shortly and post the opening picture.

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fogger -> RE: FITE2 Fogger vs Loveman 1 (5/18/2018 10:03:26 PM)

This is the start of turn 232

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fogger -> RE: FITE2 Fogger vs Loveman 1 (5/18/2018 10:05:43 PM)

And I now have a problem in AGC. Willie is across the Desna river

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fogger -> RE: FITE2 Fogger vs Loveman 1 (5/19/2018 2:11:12 AM)

This is an overview of the front. In the North Willie is already at my 2nd MLR

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fogger -> RE: FITE2 Fogger vs Loveman 1 (5/19/2018 2:12:06 AM)

and this is the southern end

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fogger -> RE: FITE2 Fogger vs Loveman 1 (5/31/2018 1:57:55 PM)

This is the start of turn 233. AGN is under pressure. Willie is slowly pushing me back. He is now on my 2nd MLR. The 3rd and 4th are not complete and I my have to fold the 3rd back into the 4th if Willie is able to break in. My concern would be my left flank. It would be swing in the air. My right flank is secured by a MLR running north / south

Each turn Willie has been able to make small pockets with up to a division inside it. I have 3 panzer divisions in the area and have been able to mount a relief each turn.

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fogger -> RE: FITE2 Fogger vs Loveman 1 (5/31/2018 2:04:30 PM)

This is AGS. Willie has been very slow moving up to the MLR. As can be seen the MLR between Zaporozhye and Mariupol is very deep.



fogger -> RE: FITE2 Fogger vs Loveman 1 (5/31/2018 2:07:03 PM)

This is an overview of the entire front. Riga is just off the top of the map

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fogger -> RE: FITE2 Fogger vs Loveman 1 (6/4/2018 11:47:49 AM)

The start of turn 234. Willie has broken in and coming up against my 2nd MLR. My plan is to allow the MLR on my right to roll back and meet up with the 2nd MLR

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fogger -> RE: FITE2 Fogger vs Loveman 1 (6/7/2018 1:32:34 PM)

I have countered attacked and destroyed the 266 Rife regt. This picture and the next are overviews of the entire front.

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fogger -> RE: FITE2 Fogger vs Loveman 1 (6/7/2018 1:33:31 PM)

The southern part

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fogger -> RE: FITE2 Fogger vs Loveman 1 (6/9/2018 11:11:20 PM)

This is the start of turn 235. Willie has made 3 break ins. The first 2 are on the attached picture. The one south of Riga could be a problem.

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fogger -> RE: FITE2 Fogger vs Loveman 1 (6/9/2018 11:14:37 PM)

This AGC

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fogger -> RE: FITE2 Fogger vs Loveman 1 (6/11/2018 11:16:40 PM)

I have just received Willie's turn. AGN is in trouble. Break-in 1. I am not sure what to do and will think about it today. Break-in 2. Last turn I was able to form a line in front of Willie's units. He was able to punch a hole in that line and has been able to move a tank corp and a Inf Regt through the hole.

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fogger -> RE: FITE2 Fogger vs Loveman 1 (6/11/2018 11:28:38 PM)

This AGC. I think the time for a retreat of the forces along the Desna River will be here shortly.

Willie appears to have gone over to the defensive in AGS and he is waiting for me to slowly to move my limited forces to AGN and AGC before he starts again.

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fogger -> RE: FITE2 Fogger vs Loveman 1 (6/18/2018 1:22:46 PM)

This is AGN at the start of turn 237

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fogger -> RE: FITE2 Fogger vs Loveman 1 (6/18/2018 1:29:40 PM)

This AGC. AGS is still quiet.

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loveman2 -> RE: FITE2 Fogger vs Loveman 1 (6/20/2018 4:05:23 PM)

ARMY GROUP CENTRE

And the ants came marching Westwards to maul their German opponent.


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fogger -> RE: FITE2 Fogger vs Loveman 1 (6/24/2018 12:19:26 PM)

This is the start of turn 239. AGN and AGC are now in trouble.

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fogger -> RE: FITE2 Fogger vs Loveman 1 (6/24/2018 12:32:23 PM)

This is the main problem area

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Waltz -> RE: FITE2 Fogger vs Loveman 1 (6/25/2018 8:36:27 AM)

As a Russian player in the early turns of FITE Willie is giving me hope, I look forward to the point I can start to take the fight to the Germans (Probably in about 2020 given the pace of the game)



gliz2 -> RE: FITE2 Fogger vs Loveman 1 (6/25/2018 12:21:32 PM)

You've been on a backheel for quite sometime fogger. Do you feel like pulling something still or you gave up hope?
I only played couple of times beyond mid 1943 against HO and the Germans always had a fight in them.
Once in early 1944 I was even hit hard by a guy who did manage to encircle and destroy almost 40 of my Soviet Divs (loss ratio over 10:1 for him). I barely managed to stop his spring offensive on the Desna River.
And he managed to retake Kharkov and reconnect to Crimea.
I did play a bit recklessly but he gave the impression in late 1943 that he was crumbling.
In the end we called it a draw.
PS. But he did play bad in 1941.



fogger -> RE: FITE2 Fogger vs Loveman 1 (6/25/2018 1:27:19 PM)

Waltz, The version Willie and I are playing is a early test version. We had a couple of stop /starts under the TOAW 4 beta. In this version the Germans are too weak. I believe the version that came out with TOAW 4 the Germans are stronger. Willie and I decided to press on to the end looking for the little bugs that only come out when you play and I think I may have found one last night. Very small and only effects 2 regts. Kristian is looking into it.

Gliz2, you think this is bad. In one of the very first test games I was only able to advance about 200km and hit a brick wall. I have no hope of winning this game but then neither did the Germans in 1943. (Current game time is Sept 43). I enjoy the challenge of trying to make it to April 45. I only ever play the Germans and the best that I have ever done is about 20 turns from a draw. i.e. I got to about turn 386 before I lost. In FITE1 you had to make it to 405 for a draw.



fogger -> RE: FITE2 Fogger vs Loveman 1 (7/2/2018 12:54:47 PM)

This is turn 240. I have made a number of moves but no combat.

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fogger -> RE: FITE2 Fogger vs Loveman 1 (7/2/2018 1:11:16 PM)

AGC

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fogger -> RE: FITE2 Fogger vs Loveman 1 (7/2/2018 1:43:20 PM)

AGS

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Cfant -> RE: FITE2 Fogger vs Loveman 1 (7/2/2018 1:59:56 PM)

Well done fighting retreat. I like your prepared 2. MLRs. Must be a lot of work. [:)]



fogger -> RE: FITE2 Fogger vs Loveman 1 (7/14/2018 11:38:57 AM)

Willie is back from holidays and we are back in business. This is the start of turn 241 10 Oct 1943. Willie is pushing hard against my front line and he trying to form 2 pockets. I am doing my best to keep the flanks open so that my units can withdraw. My problem is that they are going into reorg after each move and thus I am unable to make a clean break. As can be seen I am preparing fall back MLR's but at present they are little more than a screen. If Willie is able to make a major breakin then my plan is to step back to the yellow line.

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fogger -> RE: FITE2 Fogger vs Loveman 1 (7/16/2018 12:13:07 PM)

The start of turn 242. The mud has arrived. Not much will happen for the next couple of turns. Willie has made another 2 small holes in my line. I will move some of my reserves up to contain and if possible destroy. My problem will be the same as Willies. look sideways at a unit and it will go into reorg.

With reference to the remainder of the front I think Willie is waiting for AGN to break which will result in me having to cut and run. He has twice tried to jump the Dnepr river and twice been pushed back with heavy losses which he can afford. He also tried an attack around Mariupol but was also pushed back.

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