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Red2112 -> Air warfare (2/4/2018 9:17:05 PM)

What is your favorite air warfare board game, and why?



Rodwonder -> RE: Air warfare (2/5/2018 12:12:54 PM)

Richthofen's War... It was my first air war games and it has a cool campaign system for Bloody April.



Red2112 -> RE: Air warfare (2/5/2018 12:34:16 PM)

Thanks Rodwonder, that´s a good one and a old one too.

Here´s a updated version look...
https://boardgamegeek.com/image/3514895/richthofens-war?size=original

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UP844 -> RE: Air warfare (2/5/2018 1:06:39 PM)

The best: Over The Reich / Achtung Spitfire (both board and PC versions) / Air Superiority / Air Strike / The Speed of Heat. The latter releases have become a bit too complex for my tastes-
2nd place : Air Force / Dauntless / Sturmovik + Expansion Kit: wide selection of aircraft, quick play, reasonably accurate.
The worst: Air War (SPI) requiring half an hour for a move lasting a few seconds [:(]




rico21 -> RE: Air warfare (2/5/2018 1:22:16 PM)

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Because Zakblood has no chance [:D]

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Aurelian -> RE: Air warfare (2/5/2018 2:14:08 PM)

Fight in the Skies and it's successor Dawn Patrol. Especially the latter. DP added role playing.



Red2112 -> RE: Air warfare (2/5/2018 4:52:55 PM)

Interesting selections. Some I was not aware of (Fight in the Skies/Dawn Patrol).

Whistling death from the Fighting Wings series has been left out, and nobody has mentioned any of Terry Simo´s games althought besides "Bloody April", Downtown and Elusive Victory are more operational.

Flight Leader has also been missed and Birds of Prey (Ad Astra Games).

Iam on the fence with The Speed of Heat, although I like the airframes in Air Superiority more but then I would need Air Strike too for ground target play. Birds of Prey looks quite neat but no ground targets. Iam looking for a simulation, instead of a game so J.D Webster´s games or Birds of Prey seem to be the most sim-like.

There´s nothing wrong with "book-keeping", pilot reaction is VERY short in RL so to reflect that in a board game time length is at most 15 seconds. Which means you do have to look/plot alot of charts which resume 15 seconds of real life pilot reaction. I understand that some like that, and some don´t, and rather play a game like simulation with less flight dynamics/instrument/armament simulation.




wodin -> RE: Air warfare (2/6/2018 11:25:48 AM)

Wings of War/Glory, Bloody April, Warbirds: Canvas Falcons, Battle of Britain 2 (PC game).



Red2112 -> RE: Air warfare (2/6/2018 1:45:45 PM)

Thanks Wodin!

I have Warbirds: Blitzkrieg, just waiting for Steve to finish the v1.1 rules. I also have X-Wing which is the Star Wars "Wings of War", Bloody April is on my list for someday, as well as BoB-2. Blue Max would be the board version of Wings of War/X-Wing.

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jack54 -> RE: Air warfare (2/6/2018 1:56:07 PM)

Aces of Valor (Print and play) WW1

I really like this one designed for solo and not very complicated,

http://berserkergames.net/store.html#!/Aces-of-Valor-A-Solitaire-Game-of-World-War-I-Aerial-Combat/p/47045724/category=12246090

I may add Thrud Ridge at some point.

http://berserkergames.net/store.html#!/THUD-RIDGE-A-Solitaire-Game-of-the-Air-War-Over-North-Vietnam/p/47045814/category=12246090



I have Bloody April, Elusive Victory, Warbirds: Canvas Falcons and Wing Leader: Victories. These are my favorites but have to admit that I tend to play the Tutorials or a small scenario over and over then sit and read the rule book.

If it's simulation/accuracy you want I find the Warbirds system hard to beat.



Red2112 -> RE: Air warfare (2/6/2018 11:22:57 PM)

Thanks Jack54, I´ll have a look at those. I also have Elusive Victory, and yes Warbirds is sim-like but not for the jet-era yet [:)]

BTW Battle of Britain 2 WoV IS ONLY FOR US CUSTOMERS! It was once stated in the product page but not so now, so I figured you could now buy it if you lived in EU now. Well my bad because I bought it and the S/N dosent work! Matrix should point this out AGAIN in the product page! Not everybody is going to look into the forum before they buy a game, which is the ONLY place it states that this version on Matrix is only for US!



Red2112 -> RE: Air warfare (2/7/2018 12:23:09 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Red2112
BTW Battle of Britain 2 WoW IS ONLY FOR US CUSTOMERS! It was once stated in the product page but not so now, so I figured you could now buy it if you lived in EU now. Well my bad because I bought it and the S/N dosent work! Matrix should point this out AGAIN in the product page! Not everybody is going to look into the forum before they buy a game, which is the ONLY place it states that this version on Matrix is only for US!


I will quote myself [:D]

Matrix support sent me a new installer which fixed my installation issues that seemed not to have anything to do with buying from Europe.

A big kudos to Matrix support!

Thanks!

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Aurelian -> RE: Air warfare (2/7/2018 12:26:22 PM)

I bought BoB II from Comp USA when they were closing all the stores. A whopping $5!!



Red2112 -> RE: Air warfare (2/7/2018 2:10:15 PM)

Well, if you think about it, you get two games in one sort of. You can fly and use it as a sim, or you can use the commander view/option and play the map...

For those who want to see how the commander option works:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0D61A2d3vAM&t=578s


User Interface tutorial part 1:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FT31_kYmHls&t=79s

Part 2:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qj05wE58Chk

Red



95bravo -> RE: Air warfare (2/7/2018 2:53:10 PM)

Milton Bradley's American Heritage Dog Fight, because it was my first.



anarchyintheuk -> RE: Air warfare (2/7/2018 9:41:46 PM)

Luftwaffe. One of the first board games that I ever purchased. I think that there was an update by another company as well.



Michael T -> RE: Air warfare (2/13/2018 8:21:29 PM)

I loved most of these old board games. Has anyone tried 'Check Your 6'? Its really a minis game but it's coming to PC. Sounds and looks similar to the play style of Airforce/Dauntless.

I will be giving it a go when released in March 2018. I will be looking for opponents. Here is the link:

http://www.slitherine.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=506&t=82470&sid=f3facceb20f457586b9faff9c787714c




demyansk -> RE: Air warfare (2/13/2018 8:46:16 PM)

I am getting that one.



Red2112 -> RE: Air warfare (2/13/2018 9:10:57 PM)

It´s gonna be nice when released... [;)]

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Will_L -> RE: Air warfare (2/14/2018 1:55:56 AM)

The Speed of Heat. Complex but fun, pretty too.



demyansk -> RE: Air warfare (2/14/2018 9:20:35 AM)

Guys, any good solitaire air games? Tabletop.



Red2112 -> RE: Air warfare (2/14/2018 6:12:09 PM)

The two games by Berserker Games that Jack 54 suggested (post above) are solitaire. I have no Idea if there good or not, sorry.

You then have others like "Target for Today", DVG´s B-17, Hornet Leader and the rest of the saga from DVG, "Enemy Coast Ahead", "Nightfighter" (you can find solo rules for it), and "A Wing and a Prayer" to name a few...

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demyansk -> RE: Air warfare (2/15/2018 9:58:02 AM)

Thanks red



Red2112 -> RE: Air warfare (2/15/2018 11:55:04 AM)

Your welcome Demyansk.

As a side note, most of us end up playing almost any wargame in solo mode regardless if the game is only for solo play. You simply play the best you can for both side. Some games tend to let them selfs play better, or be more solo friendly if the use a "chit" pull system/mechanics. Games with alot of hidden info and/or fog of war seem not to be to solo friendly, but I see folks play them solo anyway, so it´s really up to you.

Steve Pancrazio has updated (v1.1.0) the core rules set (Duel of Eagles) for his WWII time-frame modules, I say modules because he has now also added a new module to this era (1939-1945) with the "Battle of Britain" module. He has also added naval rules now [:)]

Great stuff!
WarBirds GS:
http://www.warbirdsgs.com/Home.html

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Red



jack54 -> RE: Air warfare (2/15/2018 4:23:57 PM)


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ORIGINAL: demyansk

Guys, any good solitaire air games? Tabletop.


Imo all of the games Red mentioned are good games but it depends on the type of air-combat you’re looking for… Most of the solitaire games involve die rolling and create a good narrative but are not simulators.

For example
Aces of Valor (ww1)is area movement…after setting up your squadron for the campaign you draw a mission card. You roll a die for each area your flight enters; then check the chart for an event. You may have a flight of 4 Se5 and encounter a flight of German Albatros. Combat aircraft are placed on a mat based upon initiative. Initiative is determine by a die roll+ Aircraft rating+ pilot rating. Pilots attack the plane with the next lower initiative. It’s rated about 2 out of 5 in complexity.

Here’s a sessions play on BGG
https://www.boardgamegeek.com/thread/1233774/session-review-aces-valor-photo-escort-mission-mau

Bloody April (WW1) is not really solo but has a solo matrix for the Germans if you play as the British. It’s very detailed. It’s operational so battles are resolved by flight. For example a chart is checked using die role modifiers and gives the outcome of 4 Albatros attacking 3 Se5a’s. It’s complex and can have several Flights on the map at once. BGG rates it 4 of 5 complexity.

The Enemy Coast Ahead series tells a great story. IMHO

I’m not sure I know of a solo air-combat game that plays as a Simulation.
Warbirds (print and play) is a simulation in the sense that it incorporates things like throttle setting, how many G turn a particular aircraft can make at a certain speed and altitude. It’s not solo but can be played solo by doing the best you can.



Rising-Sun -> RE: Air warfare (2/16/2018 6:44:17 AM)

Well not sure if he want to fly or just strategy type of games, my fav is that old Battle of Britain. There aren't very many good sims out there though.

http://www.old-games.com/download/6346/battle-of-britain-from-talonsoft



fritzjoel -> RE: Air warfare (2/17/2018 8:47:10 PM)

Air Superiority/Air Strike. Great balance between complexity and playability.



Red2112 -> RE: Air warfare (2/17/2018 9:11:55 PM)

Thanks @fritzjoel! I agree but the whole pack (both titles) come out quite expensive, even in the second hand market. Most likely, I will try to find "The Speed of Heat" and get that. If not, then "Air Superiority" and when I can Air Strike to complement the SEAD missions.

For now Iam catching up with WarBirds GS Blitzkrieg by Steve Pancrazio.

@RisingSun, I have Battle of Britain, I even posted a video in the Eagle Day to Bombing the Reich forum. I think you even helped me to get it running on W10.

Thanks. Iam also trying to decide what naval simulation Iam going to adopt. So far "South China Sea" (Compass Games) is real nice, but not a simulation per see (sea) [:D]



UP844 -> RE: Air warfare (2/17/2018 9:49:32 PM)

Besides Air Superiority/Air Strike, GDW also released the "Desert Falcons" expansion with many aircraft and missiles of the Arab-Israeli wars dating back to the '50s-'70s era. It also included a campaign game based on a Israeli Kfir squadron, but the format can be easily adapted to any setting. Other data additional Aircraft Data Cards were published in a magazine (I have it somewhere, but I do not remember its title).

The Speed of Heat was nice, but a bit on the complex side for my taste; the same is also true for Whispering Death.

Flight leader was fast and fun, but I didn't like its "instant hitting" missiles.

Is there anyone around still playing the old "Flight Commander" PC game from Avalon Hill? I keep an old W98 PC alive just to play it [:D].



Red2112 -> RE: Air warfare (2/17/2018 10:06:42 PM)

Do you mean this one....[:D]

[image]https://s18.postimg.org/6rru7d221/FC_2.jpg[/image]

It works just fine with my windows 10 with "DOSBOX"

Red



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