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Teemu1986 -> Pestilence (2/7/2018 2:17:11 PM)
The manual says: "Half of Infantry, Cavalry, and Horse Transport equipment lost by units in Supplied locations are sent to the Replacement Pool. All non-Infantry, non-Cavalry, non-Horse Transport equipment lost by units in Supplied locations is sent to the Replacement Pool as well. All other Pestilence losses are permanent." What about the unit being overextended? Will such pestilence losses be permanent or not?

Cabido -> RE: Pestilence (2/7/2018 9:27:44 PM)
As I understand it, overextended will be considered supplied for this purpose, since they have a line-of-communications to a supply source. Much of the equipment “lost” during combat is not actually destroyed. Instead, it is considered damaged or temporarily unserviceable. This damaged equipment goes to the Replacement Pool unless the owning unit is Out of Supply. In the case of Air equipment, the fraction of damaged equipment going to the Replacement Pool is proportional to the owning unit’s Proficiency. Naval equipment never goes to the Replacement Pool. § “Overextended” units receive supply normally. § However, they also suffer desertion losses (see below) during the interturn calculations the same as if they were “Unsupplied” – except that those losses go to the “On Hand” pool, not the dead pile.

Lobster -> RE: Pestilence (2/8/2018 4:04:25 AM)
Yeah, 'overextened'. LMAO. They walk 200 km back to their barracks. And of course in this case deserted doesn't mean deserted. It has some other meaning since deserters don't go back to the barracks. This game has always suffered from silly things like this and the powers that be absolutely refuse to resolve it in a real world manner. For instance, motorized units never run out of gas. That is pure bs. The Germans would have loved to never run out of gas during the Battle of the Bulge. And Rommel would have been in heaven if his tanks could run forever on 'overextended'. In the real world if someone cuts the road that your supplies have to come down you are not overextended. You are out of supply. Period. Doesn't matter that you have a 400 km line of communications. You are not getting any ammo, fuel or food.

Zecke -> RE: Pestilence (2/8/2018 4:24:14 AM)
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Curtis Lemay -> RE: Pestilence (2/8/2018 2:21:06 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Lobster Yeah, 'overextened'. LMAO. They walk 200 km back to their barracks. And of course in this case deserted doesn't mean deserted. It has some other meaning since deserters don't go back to the barracks. This game has always suffered from silly things like this and the powers that be absolutely refuse to resolve it in a real world manner. For instance, motorized units never run out of gas. That is pure bs. The Germans would have loved to never run out of gas during the Battle of the Bulge. And Rommel would have been in heaven if his tanks could run forever on 'overextended'. In the real world if someone cuts the road that your supplies have to come down you are not overextended. You are out of supply. Period. Doesn't matter that you have a 400 km line of communications. You are not getting any ammo, fuel or food. Have you ever actually tried operating in an Overextended condition in any scenario?

secadegas -> RE: Pestilence (2/8/2018 7:03:29 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Lobster YThe Germans would have loved to never run out of gas during the Battle of the Bulge. And Rommel would have been in heaven if his tanks could run forever on 'overextended'. Now - under TOAW IV - your unit will not be able to run forever on overextended supply. If it insists on keeping on moving it will suffer from a heavy amount of desertions and it will be INOP in no time.

secadegas -> RE: Pestilence (2/8/2018 7:04:03 PM)
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Lobster -> RE: Pestilence (2/8/2018 11:36:51 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: secadegas quote: ORIGINAL: Lobster YThe Germans would have loved to never run out of gas during the Battle of the Bulge. And Rommel would have been in heaven if his tanks could run forever on 'overextended'. Now - under TOAW IV - your unit will not be able to run forever on overextended supply. If it insists on keeping on moving it will suffer from a heavy amount of desertions and it will be INOP in no time. And all of the 'desertions' go back into the replacement pool!!! How does the abandoned equipment make it all the way back with no fuel??? Reduce the number of squads returning to 50% and even that is generous. Remove all equipment as lost. Unless the 'deserters' are pushing it all the way back to the motor pool. Currently overextended is a toothless tiger.

Curtis Lemay -> RE: Pestilence (2/8/2018 11:55:13 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Lobster And all of the 'desertions' go back into the replacement pool!!! How does the abandoned equipment make it all the way back with no fuel??? Reduce the number of squads returning to 50% and even that is generous. Remove all equipment as lost. Unless the 'deserters' are pushing it all the way back to the motor pool. They're not deserters, they're like stragglers. Just that it's supply, not fatigue that's causing the straggling. And where is "all the way back to the replacement pool"? It's anywhere in the rear. They're in friendly controlled territory - just like stragglers. They are all recoverable. quote: Currently overextended is a toothless tiger. Again, have you ever tried it?

Lobster -> RE: Pestilence (2/9/2018 3:54:46 AM)
Yes. My guys push vehicles and drag guns back to the motor pool huge distances. With nothing to eat. Supermen I tell ya. So yeah, fatigue would certainly be a factor. But then they call AAA and those guys drive their trucks all the way to where the unit ran out of gas to tow them back. But guess what? They run out of gas too because now they have to travel twice as far to properly recover those vehicles and guns. And remarkably enough they send enough recovery vehicles/tow trucks to attempt to drag every single run out of gas vehicle and the gun it was towing all the way back to the motor pool. Yeah, there's a lot of thought went into that one.

Curtis Lemay -> RE: Pestilence (2/9/2018 2:23:44 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Lobster Yes. My guys push vehicles and drag guns back to the motor pool huge distances. With nothing to eat. Supermen I tell ya. So yeah, fatigue would certainly be a factor. But then they call AAA and those guys drive their trucks all the way to where the unit ran out of gas to tow them back. But guess what? They run out of gas too because now they have to travel twice as far to properly recover those vehicles and guns. And remarkably enough they send enough recovery vehicles/tow trucks to attempt to drag every single run out of gas vehicle and the gun it was towing all the way back to the motor pool. Yeah, there's a lot of thought went into that one. They're not dragged anywhere. They just remain where they are till supply catches up to them. Unless what they are missing is ammo - that doesn't affect their mobility whatsoever - just their combat capacity.

Lobster -> RE: Pestilence (2/9/2018 3:29:31 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Curtis Lemay quote: ORIGINAL: Lobster Yes. My guys push vehicles and drag guns back to the motor pool huge distances. With nothing to eat. Supermen I tell ya. So yeah, fatigue would certainly be a factor. But then they call AAA and those guys drive their trucks all the way to where the unit ran out of gas to tow them back. But guess what? They run out of gas too because now they have to travel twice as far to properly recover those vehicles and guns. And remarkably enough they send enough recovery vehicles/tow trucks to attempt to drag every single run out of gas vehicle and the gun it was towing all the way back to the motor pool. Yeah, there's a lot of thought went into that one. They're not dragged anywhere. They just remain where they are till supply catches up to them. Unless what they are missing is ammo - that doesn't affect their mobility whatsoever - just their combat capacity. [:D][:D][:D][:D]

Oberst_Klink -> RE: Pestilence (2/9/2018 7:33:20 PM)
Let's dispense of those little nagging titbits... I can't complain about how it works in my operational 'masterpieces'. So, let's be civilised and assist Ralph and devs with suggestions, not what Norm's code couldn't meet. Still... Norm is my hero. Klink, Oberst

Rokossovskiy -> RE: Pestilence (2/9/2018 10:26:53 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Oberst_Klink Let's dispense of those little nagging titbits... I can't complain about how it works in my operational 'masterpieces'. So, let's be civilised and assist Ralph and devs with suggestions, not what Norm's code couldn't meet. Still... Norm is my hero. Klink, Oberst What is this? This game could not do many things that have now changed. We should stop making this better is what you say. This is simply in my eyes a suggestion. Make the over extending do what real world actions dictate. Not what someone makes up for it to do. How is this bad?

larryfulkerson -> RE: Pestilence (2/9/2018 10:59:32 PM)
Somebody isn't getting the point of "abstraction" as a concept.

Rokossovskiy -> RE: Pestilence (2/10/2018 2:00:14 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: larryfulkerson Somebody isn't getting the point of "abstraction" as a concept. Navy was abstract. Now you are very happy because it is less so. Supply was abstract. Now you are happy because it is less so. Next air will be less abstract and you will be ok with this. Many things were abstract and are less so yet these are ok with you. Now someone asks make this more like what the real world is and you kick them???? Russian saying, You kick with the back feet while you lick with your tongue.

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