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urtel -> AI teleport 3 divisions out of encirclement ! (4/1/2018 9:08:55 AM)


I'm still in that insane game on hard against Axis AI(4 Finns ghost regiments in 5+ battles in one turn) and now AI make another magic move!

I had totally encirclement of 3 Romanian divisions in turn 81 and in turn 82 they just disappear. You can see on screen shoots that hex where those units was is still not converted but divisions just disappear.
And they are not shown in loses(captured) nor in destroyed units lists, so where are they?

I'm played whole game with Axis vs Soviet AI on normal difficulty settings and i do not remember seeing things like this, are this magic moves something which is expected to happened on hard settings?
I also do not see anyone complain about things like this on forums am i only one who getting this or no one play vs AI on hard?

An here is screen shoots i also have save games if needed be..



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urtel -> RE: AI teleport 3 divisions out of encirclement ! (4/1/2018 9:09:55 AM)

and turn 82

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urtel -> RE: AI teleport 3 divisions out of encirclement ! (4/1/2018 9:10:49 AM)

not captured ..


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urtel -> RE: AI teleport 3 divisions out of encirclement ! (4/1/2018 9:11:41 AM)

not destroyed..


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urtel -> RE: AI teleport 3 divisions out of encirclement ! (4/1/2018 9:17:28 AM)


I do not know how to upload save game file..



Telemecus -> RE: AI teleport 3 divisions out of encirclement ! (4/1/2018 1:25:49 PM)


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ORIGINAL: urtel


I do not know how to upload save game file..


If it can be uploaded it would have to be zipped first - there is then a message saying click here to upload below where you type in a message box (do a normal reply - not fast reply at bottom of page). That said I am not sure if it is beyond the size limits. If you can do it you may want to upload saves for both turn 81 and 82.



GamesaurusRex -> RE: AI teleport 3 divisions out of encirclement ! (4/1/2018 1:36:59 PM)

Correct me, if I'm wrong... but doesn't the AI cheat to some degree to provide the human a challenge ?
Especially at harder settings ?



urtel -> RE: AI teleport 3 divisions out of encirclement ! (4/1/2018 3:03:25 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Telemecus


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ORIGINAL: urtel


I do not know how to upload save game file..


If it can be uploaded it would have to be zipped first - there is then a message saying click here to upload below where you type in a message box (do a normal reply - not fast reply at bottom of page). That said I am not sure if it is beyond the size limits. If you can do it you may want to upload saves for both turn 81 and 82.


It must be limit it say 500KB mine save game file is ~3MB

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ORIGINAL: GamesaurusRex
Correct me, if I'm wrong... but doesn't the AI cheat to some degree to provide the human a challenge ?
Especially at harder settings ?


Manual not say anything about that, for me on higher levels it is OK that AI can ignore partizans or teleport 1-2 units behind front lines to fill holes in front but to teleport units which is just about to be killed from total encirclement that is just #!?!?.. guess i need to look for human opponents



No idea -> RE: AI teleport 3 divisions out of encirclement ! (4/1/2018 3:55:25 PM)


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ORIGINAL: GamesaurusRex

Correct me, if I'm wrong... but doesn't the AI cheat to some degree to provide the human a challenge ?
Especially at harder settings ?


Apart from having everything evac before you can capture it the AI doesnt cheat. Of course, you can always give it more morale, or more of this or that, but, as that is volunteer on the players side, I think that isnt cheating.

Teleporting certainly is out of what I have seen in the game, and I have played at very high difficulty against the AI. Perhaps those units were bound to be disbanded at that date?




56ajax -> RE: AI teleport 3 divisions out of encirclement ! (4/1/2018 10:58:07 PM)

The AI does 'cheat'. In my games it has made units walk on water, cross impenetrable barriers, helicopter out of encirclement and give extra movement points.

I have even stopped the game, rolled back to the previous turn, changed sides and tried to replicate the AI moves. No way....

But you have to take the good with the bad; remember that when the AI populates the front line with unguarded HQs and Airbases.



No idea -> RE: AI teleport 3 divisions out of encirclement ! (4/2/2018 8:12:48 AM)


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ORIGINAL: 56ajax

The AI does 'cheat'. In my games it has made units walk on water, cross impenetrable barriers, helicopter out of encirclement and give extra movement points.

I have even stopped the game, rolled back to the previous turn, changed sides and tried to replicate the AI moves. No way....

But you have to take the good with the bad; remember that when the AI populates the front line with unguarded HQs and Airbases.


Those might be bugs, not cheats. Have you ever seen the AI surround you because its units crossed over the black sea? (Just to give an example). Have you some screenshots to see what might have happened?



urtel -> RE: AI teleport 3 divisions out of encirclement ! (4/2/2018 1:03:16 PM)

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But you have to take the good with the bad; remember that when the AI populates the front line with unguarded HQs and Airbases.


This is never happened in mine games, it must be something in early game versions, or when AI is out of counters, but even if this happened i will not call that good.

Anyway even if it is look like i m bashing AI that is not case.
I think this game have best AI for this scale ( ~500 counters per side) i m ever see, it really try to hold/punch line and it is good i n most of cases.
If anyone know some game of this scale who have better AI pls tell me so i can try it.

So for me i will just like to know what i can expect from AI on which level of difficulty, so let us say on example if it is possible to teleport units out of encirclement on hard but not on challenging or custom levels then it is fine.
I will just lover they fortification capabilities (which is anyway insane for even hard lvl) and i can continue game on custom difficulty level. It will be nice if there is somewhere guide what you can expect per difficultly levels so ppl do no get unpleasant surprises..



tyronec -> RE: AI teleport 3 divisions out of encirclement ! (4/2/2018 2:52:30 PM)

There are a few glitches with the AI however I have never seen it teleport units out of a pocket at any level of difficulty. My guess would be that it is more likely to be a flaw somewhere rather than anything deliberately built into the system.
It seems improbably that the AI would be programmed to 'cheat' more at the higher difficulty levels.
I think playing the AI you just need to accept that sometimes it does things that are not quite right and just play on, if it frequently teleported pocketed units to safety then that would just about make the game not worth playing.



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