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siRkid -> Pleae post All Map Comments Here (6/1/2003 10:58:16 PM)

I'll tell you what guys. I'll get this stuck and we can start collecting unofficial map comments. No promises. When we start working on the map again, I will make sure the map guy knows about this thread. DO NOT hijack this thread. Keep comments to the point and provide a ligiment refrence for your comments if you hvae one. I was there in 55 won't cut it.;)

As I post new screen shots, make comment in this thread so I have them all in one place. Example of a good, short and to the point comment.


1. The Buin Map Label is off and needs to be moved up to hex 64,92.




Drongo -> (6/3/2003 8:54:31 PM)

Kid, I don't think they're listening. ;)




siRkid -> (6/3/2003 10:34:27 PM)

[QUOTE]Originally posted by Drongo
[B]Kid, I don't think they're listening. ;) [/B][/QUOTE]

Ahh then it will make my job easy! No coments, no fixes, no complaints.;)




U2 -> (6/3/2003 11:39:18 PM)

Kid & Drongo

They are just greedy and won't lift a finger until new screenies have been posted;) :D




Mike Scholl -> MIGHT HELP... (6/4/2003 9:39:03 AM)

...if you had screen shots of the current map posted HERE
so folks could look at various areas you are inviting comment
on.




jrcar -> (6/4/2003 5:41:49 PM)

From the Alpha screen shots:

Large scale map
The roads/rail in the western side of Australia is all wrong, it doesn't even look like that today. The road on the western coast follows the coast, it does not go inland as it head north. You also have 2 green dots in the Vicinity of Adelaide, is the other Whyalla?

There was a rail line going north from Adelaide to Alice Springs, road from there to Katherine, then rail form Katherine to Darwin.

Darwin to Perth road follows the coast, except it cuts accross the bulge that is the Kimberlies (which you have correct) but you have it going inland from Broome, it stays on the coast to Port Headland.

Adelaide to Perth goes in at Perth, it doestn't head north in a loop like you have.

Source I'm an ex Australian Army Survey Officer :) I can get you maps of the era I think.

Smaller scale map of SE Asia.

No Ho Chi Minh trail in Vietnam :), coastal railway from Saigon to Hanoi. The rail line also linked into what is now Cambodia, but never completed the link to Thailand. (it was intended to but never finished). In what is now Cambodia the road network in the centre of the country should link to the port in the south.

Please advise if you want more information, I have access to the defence libraries that should have maps available, also the National Archives.

I'm on the Flashpoint Germany Beta so if you like send me the map BMP I can improve the interpretation.

Cheers

Rob




siRkid -> Re: MIGHT HELP... (6/4/2003 6:02:40 PM)

[QUOTE]Originally posted by Mike Scholl
[B]...if you had screen shots of the current map posted HERE
so folks could look at various areas you are inviting comment
on. [/B][/QUOTE]

It might but this is all very unofficial. I was just trying to make it attractive to the developers as a one stop source to get some input. As various screen shots are posted people can make their comments here an keep their lengthy discussions in other threads. If it works, it works. If not, then......who knows.

Rick




siRkid -> (6/4/2003 6:05:57 PM)

[QUOTE]Originally posted by Aussie
[B][I]1. The Buin Map Label is off and needs to be moved up to hex 64,92.[/I]

Kid, maybe you should fix this one while you are waiting. :D [/B][/QUOTE]

The map is not being constantly worked on. I think they will make one more effort at it sometime in the future. When that happens, I hope I can point them to this thread and make it easy to find the comments. However, if this thread becomes too long with too much chatter it will be counter productive and they most likely will not use it.

Rick




Aussie -> (6/5/2003 9:14:16 AM)

Kid, there is an unknown green dot (base) to the east of Darwin on the Northern Territory coastline. What is the name of that base?
I can chase up some reference material for WWII activites in northern Australia if you require them.

Cheers

Dan




Rainerle -> building railroads (6/5/2003 4:14:12 PM)

Hi,

one question on the RR. will it be possible to build one hex worth of RR in the game ?
*humming the river quay march*




berto -> (6/21/2003 9:13:14 PM)

This map feedback message thread is great.

Now if only there were more maps, currently posted, to critique. Weren't some earlier maps removed from this forum? :confused:

Anyway, just for the (semi-official) record, and recollecting from memory of my previous feedback, here are three errors I recall from an earlier Philippines map:

--The Palawan city/base "Puerto Principessa" is incorrect. It should be: "Puerto Princesa."

--Tuguegarao (or just the label?) is too far south (about where Ilagan is). No longer having a map to refer to, I can't suggest better, precise map coordinates.

--Aparri is too far east (on the northeast tip of Luzon). It should be further west, at the mouth of the Cagayan River. Again, I can't offer better, precise map coordinates.

I second the motion that new alpha/beta maps be posted in this map feedback thread, else another sticky thread closed to user feedback (and directing the feedback to this thread).

Also, each posted alpha/beta map should be clearly labeled, so that as we post feedback, it is clear which map we are referring to.




siRkid -> (6/21/2003 10:01:32 PM)

[QUOTE]Originally posted by berto
[B]This map feedback message thread is great.

Now if only there were more maps, currently posted, to critique. Weren't some earlier maps removed from this forum? :confused:

Anyway, just for the (semi-official) record, and recollecting from memory of my previous feedback, here are three errors I recall from an earlier Philippines map:

--The Palawan city/base "Puerto Principessa" is incorrect. It should be: "Puerto Princesa."

--Tuguegarao (or just the label?) is too far south (about where Ilagan is). No longer having a map to refer to, I can't suggest better, precise map coordinates.

--Aparri is too far east (on the northeast tip of Luzon). It should be further west, at the mouth of the Cagayan River. Again, I can't offer better, precise map coordinates.

I second the motion that new alpha/beta maps be posted in this map feedback thread, else another sticky thread closed to user feedback (and directing the feedback to this thread).

Also, each posted alpha/beta map should be clearly labeled, so that as we post feedback, it is clear which map we are referring to. [/B][/QUOTE]

I'll post more maps soon.




siRkid -> Sorry It has taken me sooo long (7/3/2003 9:19:31 PM)

Japan




siRkid -> Borneo (7/3/2003 9:22:00 PM)

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siRkid -> Hawaii (7/3/2003 9:28:18 PM)

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siRkid -> Philippines (7/3/2003 9:30:47 PM)

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siRkid -> (7/3/2003 9:35:10 PM)

[QUOTE]Originally posted by Aussie
[B]Kid, there is an unknown green dot (base) to the east of Darwin on the Northern Territory coastline. What is the name of that base?
I can chase up some reference material for WWII activites in northern Australia if you require them.

Cheers

Dan [/B][/QUOTE]

I am sorry it has taken me so long to get back to you. I don't see the dot your taliking about. Is it on this map?




siRkid -> Re: building railroads (7/3/2003 9:36:56 PM)

[QUOTE]Originally posted by Rainerle
[B]Hi,

one question on the RR. will it be possible to build one hex worth of RR in the game ?
*humming the river quay march* [/B][/QUOTE]

It is on the list of request but I have been told it is a very low chance of getting done. I am a big supporter of this capability.

Rick




Paulchen -> (7/5/2003 11:05:22 PM)

The pictures are very nice.

Can you post pictures with troopdata (example hawaii)?




Aussie -> (7/6/2003 11:55:57 AM)

[QUOTE]Originally posted by Kid
[B]I am sorry it has taken me so long to get back to you. I don't see the dot your taliking about. Is it on this map? [/B][/QUOTE]

Hi Kid, thanks for getting back. Strange, the two green dots were there on the Alpha Strategic map, but obviously not on the Darwin one. I'm thinking that they were just examples for that map. :)




LargeSlowTarget -> $0.02 (7/6/2003 5:10:27 PM)

Would it make sense to link the size of the 'flag' icons to the actual base size, i.e. the more developed the base the bigger the icon? I think three sets of icons (small, medium, large) would do it. Could facilitate the orientation on a map with so many bases.




pry -> Japan Map (7/8/2003 10:59:07 PM)

Kid,

This might be considered nit-picking and very minor and not worth the effort to correct but I figured was worth a mention.

On Sakhalin Island (north of Hokkaido) the southern port city is labled as Toyohara, Given the 60 miles per hex in WITP Toyohara would be located in this hex but it was 20 - 25 miles inland the actual port city was called Odomari.

Toyohara (present day Yuzhno-Sakhalinsk)
Odomari (present day Korsakov)




siRkid -> Re: $0.02 (7/9/2003 5:46:14 AM)

[QUOTE]Originally posted by LargeSlowTarget
[B]Would it make sense to link the size of the 'flag' icons to the actual base size, i.e. the more developed the base the bigger the icon? I think three sets of icons (small, medium, large) would do it. Could facilitate the orientation on a map with so many bases. [/B][/QUOTE]

Added to the wish list.:D




berto -> (7/9/2003 10:30:10 PM)

Here are several observations/suggestions/nitpicks for the Philippines map, philippines.jpg:

--The Palawan city/base "Puerto Principessa" is incorrect. It should be: "Puerto Princesa." (This has been discussed [I]ad nauseam[/I] in earlier message posts.)

--Tuguegarao (or just the label?) is too far south. Its label should be moved one hex to the northeast.

--The Aparri label is too far east (on the northeast tip of Luzon). It should be moved to the north of city/base, at the mouth of the Cagayan River.

--If they aren't already, the hexes along Luzon's northeast coast should be mountainous, representing the Sierra Madre range. The Sierra Madre range is about as elevated and rugged as the Cordillera Central, in the center of northern Luzon (and where Baquio is located).

--From the label style, Catanduanes appears to designate a city/base. Catanduanes is in fact an island/province. I suggest that the label be removed entirely.

--There should a label, "Legazpi," to designate the city/base at the southern tip of Luzon. (Substitute "Legazpi" for "Catanduanes"?)

--MAJOR GAFFE: Samar is actually northeast of Leyte. The labels should be reversed!

--Ormoc should be moved northward, to designate the city/base at the north of Leyte. Note that Tacloban is actually due east of Ormoc. I suggest: the "Tacloban" label should be where "Ormoc" is now, and "Ormoc" should be moved one hex to the west of where "Tacloban" is now.

--You should add the label "Cebu" to designate the city/base south of Iloilo and north of Mindanao. Cebu is/was the Philippines second largest city (and native speakers of Cebuano nearly equal the native speakers of Tagalog).

--Note that Davao is a seaport on the Davao Gulf, on Mindanao's south/southeastern coast, not on the Moro Gulf, on Mindanao's southwestern coast. The "Davao" label is correctly placed; it's the icon locations that I question.

--Arguably, you could add labels for Cagayan de Oro (the city/base on the Mindanao north coast) and Cotabato (on Mindanao's southwest coast, on the Moro Gulf) and remove the Butuan label (if the map is otherwise too cluttered).

Although I can see city/base icons, I can't open a dialog box to view how the city/base icons are internally designated. I can only trust that these are named (and located) properly.

Gosh, the closer I look, the more I can find to nitpick. The map makers face a tough job, indeed. Still, these geographical details matter as much (at least to me) as whether the Yamato had X guns or the Corsair could fly Y miles per hour. Equal priority should be given to getting the geographical details right (or nearly so).

I dote on the Philippines map because I've lived there for six years (two three-year stints). I might critique other maps if I can find the time.

Thanks again for the opportunity to provide map feedback in this forum.




Subchaser -> Uglaharmensk (7/11/2003 6:06:55 PM)

City to the east of Vladivostok is called Uglaharmensk, I’ve never heard about this city, and I can’t find it on real maps. Sounds very fictional. Btw I see both cities were taken by Viet-Kong, according to the flag. :)




Subchaser -> (7/11/2003 6:10:26 PM)

One more wish, please, redo the map in 30miles/hex scale, it would be far better. ;)




siRkid -> (7/11/2003 6:22:56 PM)

[QUOTE]Originally posted by Subchaser
[B]One more wish, please, redo the map in 30miles/hex scale, it would be far better. ;) [/B][/QUOTE]

Lol I don't think there is a chance of this. Look at the attached graphic. I printed out the map (at 1/3 scale) and mounted it. Look how large it is. I can't imagine how huge it wold be at 30nm scale.:D




Subchaser -> (7/11/2003 6:44:24 PM)

Looks great, I’ll defiantly print it also, it’s ideal for strategic planning. :cool:

btw what’s with wonderful city of Uglaharmensk? :rolleyes:




siRkid -> (7/11/2003 7:11:38 PM)

[QUOTE]Originally posted by Subchaser
[B]btw what’s with wonderful city of Uglaharmensk? :rolleyes: [/B][/QUOTE]

Good Question.




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