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Andrea G -> RE: New Scenario for testing - IOF #4 The Red Gate (6/2/2018 12:47:05 PM)

GUMBALL BUG!

The Ethiopian Parlee isn't working as expected.

I followed instructions and deployed the Delta Force to Kabri Dar and then parked Blackbirds 1 off the somali coast.
Taskmasters departed Sheik Isa at the same time as Blackbirs 1 but halted at Thumrait to refuel, by the time it was halfway between Thumrait and Kabri Dar I received the Gumball message stating thet the mission was a success and the extraction can proceed.

Now blackbirds 1 is en-route to Kabri Dar to extract the Delta Force while Taskmasters is still crawling toward the ethiopian parlee.

Attached you find the save file.




Gunner98 -> RE: New Scenario for testing - IOF #4 The Red Gate (6/3/2018 12:37:03 AM)

Thanks for the update. Can't check out the save at the moment. So Taskmasters did not have enough fuel to accomplish the mission from Sheik Isa to Kabri Dar?

I'll have to sort something out. I also want to set up a branch option if you cause too much damage before the meeting. Not set up yet but should cause some tension.

Thanks for the report. If you return Taskmaster to Sheik Isa everything else should work out fine. The event is not over yet.

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Andrea G -> RE: New Scenario for testing - IOF #4 The Red Gate (6/3/2018 5:08:03 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Gunner98

Thanks for the update. Can't check out the save at the moment. So Taskmasters did not have enough fuel to accomplish the mission from Sheik Isa to Kabri Dar?

I'll have to sort something out. I also want to set up a branch option if you cause too much damage before the meeting. Not set up yet but should cause some tension.

Thanks for the report. If you return Taskmaster to Sheik Isa everything else should work out fine. The event is not over yet.

B


After Taskmasters landed at Kabri Dar I received the new Operational Instructions for CO CTF155 instructing to attack Eritrea as a measure of "goodwill" toward ethiopia; after that I put Taskmasters on a ferry mission toward Sheik Isa, will tell you if Taskmasters will reach the intended base or will crash in the desert.




AndrewJ -> RE: New Scenario for testing - IOF #4 The Red Gate (6/3/2018 9:03:15 PM)

I'm embarrassingly badly informed about amphib/cargo operations. How are all the little LCMs and LCVPs at Djibouti supposed to get into the fight? If I've done my math right they've got a 130 nm range (just over 14 hrs at 9 knots cruise), which means an operating radius of 65 nm. It's about 68 nm around the coast to the near shore of Perim Island, which is the closest landing zone. Are they supposed to do one-way trips and then stay on the beach?

I'm guessing I can carry one of the little LCVPs on the big French LPD, since it's got one small davit? (I haven't tried this yet.) But that does nothing for the other three LCVPs, and can't help the larger LCMs.

I think I must be missing something? [&:]




Gunner98 -> RE: New Scenario for testing - IOF #4 The Red Gate (6/4/2018 12:22:08 AM)

Hay AndrewJ - great to hear from you, been a while.

You're correct on your math. The situation I'm trying to portray with this little bit of juggling is that you go to war with what you have on hand. And that is about what I think the French have there.

You will need to use your LPD as a mobile fuel station for the 6 smaller boats. They will all fit on the Davit, and they will only have to refuel once each trip. The options you have are still a bit awkward, since you don't have enough lift for all the stuff at Djibouti in a single go.

Hope you enjoy. There are a couple good tutorials on cargo ops if you think you need them.

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Gunner98 -> RE: New Scenario for testing - IOF #4 The Red Gate (6/4/2018 12:45:23 AM)

Thanks Andrea

I may have to change Taskmaster up for a C-21 Learjet which will give it both speed and range.

Thanks for the feedback.

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Gunner98 -> RE: New Scenario for testing - IOF #4 The Red Gate (6/4/2018 1:05:49 AM)

Adrea G

I note from your save that you have not exercised all of the special actions. I see you brought in the French Air superiority Mirage but have not activated either the Brit Tornados, French Jaguars or American Hurcs. You will only have enough points to get one of these groups so I assume you're waiting until you identify a firm need. I'll be curious to see how this works out for you, and what you eventually chose, or don't.

Thanks




AndrewJ -> RE: New Scenario for testing - IOF #4 The Red Gate (6/4/2018 1:39:04 AM)


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ORIGINAL: Gunner98

Hay AndrewJ - great to hear from you, been a while.

You're correct on your math. The situation I'm trying to portray with this little bit of juggling is that you go to war with what you have on hand. And that is about what I think the French have there.

You will need to use your LPD as a mobile fuel station for the 6 smaller boats. They will all fit on the Davit, and they will only have to refuel once each trip. The options you have are still a bit awkward, since you don't have enough lift for all the stuff at Djibouti in a single go.

Hope you enjoy. There are a couple good tutorials on cargo ops if you think you need them.

B



Okay, that makes sense. I was worried I was missing some sort of game mechanic about the cargo operations.




TheOriginalOverlord -> RE: New Scenario for testing - IOF #4 The Red Gate (6/4/2018 2:48:17 AM)


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ORIGINAL: AndrewJ


quote:

ORIGINAL: Gunner98

Hay AndrewJ - great to hear from you, been a while.

You're correct on your math. The situation I'm trying to portray with this little bit of juggling is that you go to war with what you have on hand. And that is about what I think the French have there.

You will need to use your LPD as a mobile fuel station for the 6 smaller boats. They will all fit on the Davit, and they will only have to refuel once each trip. The options you have are still a bit awkward, since you don't have enough lift for all the stuff at Djibouti in a single go.

Hope you enjoy. There are a couple good tutorials on cargo ops if you think you need them.

B



Okay, that makes sense. I was worried I was missing some sort of game mechanic about the cargo operations.



Yeah thought I was losing my mind as well...until I played around with it.

Gunner I need to get the latest and start over..real life has kept me busy lately.

Were you able to add any gun ammo to the unrep ships?




Gunner98 -> RE: New Scenario for testing - IOF #4 The Red Gate (6/4/2018 3:02:43 AM)

Gun ammo is loaded on the appropriate resupply ships, for the Americans it's one of the ships up by Oman.

Also my attempt to work around the AAV issue is in Version 1.8. Bunch of other bits fixed although I do not believe I have the downed pilot routine working properly yet.

You may also notice that there is a 4th option for calling in reinforcments via special actions - three Hurcs in Diego Garcia. But they will cost you the same points as the French Jags.

Real life is a major crimp on my gaming as well! I think I'll have three weeks at home this summer...

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Andrea G -> RE: New Scenario for testing - IOF #4 The Red Gate (6/5/2018 7:30:34 AM)


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ORIGINAL: Gunner98

Adrea G

I note from your save that you have not exercised all of the special actions. I see you brought in the French Air superiority Mirage but have not activated either the Brit Tornados, French Jaguars or American Hurcs. You will only have enough points to get one of these groups so I assume you're waiting until you identify a firm need. I'll be curious to see how this works out for you, and what you eventually chose, or don't.

Thanks


Hi Gunner, yes I am trying to use as few assets as possible.

Regarding the Taskmaster, it has indeed enough range to reach Sheik Isa from Kabri Dar, so it's the same on the reverse trip, indeed I have made a stop at Thumrait because I wasn't feeling comfortable to fly too close to Ataq airbase on the first trip, so I choose a longer path and wasn't sure if the taskmaster had enough fuel for the detour.

Up now I have "cleared" Socotra, the logistic train is nearing the amphib zone, hope they will unload some Cobra ammo, I have ferried them from Thumrait to the new landing zone in Socotra but for now they remain in ferry mode.

Real life is really hampering my gaming too [:D]




AndrewJ -> RE: New Scenario for testing - IOF #4 The Red Gate (6/5/2018 10:44:27 PM)

Holy cr*p! We've got a regiment+ coming down the road! [X(]

I guess we won't be holding the peninsula with a few infantry and light tanks...
Time to change plans!





Gunner98 -> RE: New Scenario for testing - IOF #4 The Red Gate (6/6/2018 4:22:54 AM)

[8D] Gotta keep ya guessing[sm=00000036.gif]




Andrea G -> RE: New Scenario for testing - IOF #4 The Red Gate (6/9/2018 2:32:15 PM)

I got a problem with buddy illuminator.

I have AV-8 loaded with mavericks and paveways that need a buddy illuminator to launch their weapons, I thought that the F-15 Strike Eagle, being able to launch his own paveway would fulfill the role for the av-8s but it doesn't work, what am I doing wrong?




Maromak -> RE: New Scenario for testing - IOF #4 The Red Gate (6/9/2018 5:52:05 PM)

Have you checked the weather/clouds?




Andrea G -> RE: New Scenario for testing - IOF #4 The Red Gate (6/9/2018 5:55:47 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Maromak

Have you checked the weather/clouds?


The weather is perfect, no clouds




Gunner98 -> RE: New Scenario for testing - IOF #4 The Red Gate (6/9/2018 6:00:56 PM)

The Tornado with the Illuminator pod suite (cannot recall the loadout name) does a great job, as do Cobra AH-1's I think.

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AndrewJ -> RE: New Scenario for testing - IOF #4 The Red Gate (6/9/2018 9:59:06 PM)

The F-15s and Tornadoes were both providing buddy illumination for me. All I had to do was drop a bomb and the illuminator would automatically start lasing if it was in range.




trebor6669 -> RE: New Scenario for testing - IOF #4 The Red Gate (6/10/2018 12:52:50 AM)

15E is working great designating for Harriers for me.




Andrea G -> RE: New Scenario for testing - IOF #4 The Red Gate (6/10/2018 10:58:39 AM)

The problem I face is that I can't base tornados or AH-1 in Djibouti, I have to make the F-15 work, does the illuminator and the bomber belong to the same mission?
In Socotra I have used AH-1 to illuminate AV-8 but I was micromanaging them.




Andrea G -> RE: New Scenario for testing - IOF #4 The Red Gate (6/10/2018 12:03:52 PM)

Sorry my fault, the F-15 are equipped with a TV guidance pod not a laser designator, having no points left to release the Tornados, and the AH-1 still in Socotra protecting the beachhead (BTW, how many rebels are in Socotra? They keep coming out of the walls, as Cpl Hudson says in Aliens) I will have to load the AV-8 with iron bombs to clear Perim; don't know how to manage the BeM peninsula, probably I will have to shift Peleliu from Socotra to BeM if I can replenish her ammo stores.




AndrewJ -> RE: New Scenario for testing - IOF #4 The Red Gate (6/10/2018 2:12:13 PM)

"Uhm, S-2, what's the latest report on positions of their Oscars?"

(He said, really hoping that new SSGN contact three CZs out from his noisy replenishment group was a Charlie.)




Gunner98 -> RE: New Scenario for testing - IOF #4 The Red Gate (6/10/2018 6:46:51 PM)

Have you checked out the Mirage F.1CRs at Djibouti - I haven't used them for this so am not sure if they even have lasers but I know they have some fancy pods.

Oscars, Charlies, Echos - Russian subs are so confusing [sm=innocent0009.gif] Good snag to pick him on 3rd CZ though!

Curious to see how the fight on the peninsula turns out, have been thinking about better ways of triggering the surprises.

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AndrewJ -> RE: New Scenario for testing - IOF #4 The Red Gate (6/10/2018 6:58:08 PM)

Oh, I didn't pick him up in the third CZ. He was in a position to pick me up! [:D] I detected him with a sonobuoy from the P-3 that was proofing my transit lane.




Gunner98 -> RE: New Scenario for testing - IOF #4 The Red Gate (6/10/2018 7:09:52 PM)

Knew those P-3s were good for something! [;)] Your N-2 might inform you that there are 5 more Oscar II's in the Pacific fleet, plus the complete class of 8 Charlie I's but no Charlie IIs unless he's snuck in from the Atlantic, also about a dozen Echo IIs and even some old Julietts.

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AndrewJ -> RE: New Scenario for testing - IOF #4 The Red Gate (6/11/2018 11:47:10 PM)

One day in, and here's where I'm at so far...


THE PLAN

After the heavyweights have passed through in the last couple of days, my remaining forces, mostly British and French with American amphibs, have been tasked with the capture of Socotra, and the the various islands and narrows in and around the Bab al Mandeb.

My first thought is to consolidate my naval forces heading for Socotra. I’m most concerned about small task groups stumbling into an enemy submarine, and I want to bring them together into convoys which are easier to defend. The UK carrier group is ordered to slow down to a fuel efficient creep so the other two groups in the area can catch up and join it, and the Pelilieu group SE of Socotra is to do the same thing to wait for its trailing LST. The little Floreal will head south to try and offer a little protection for the oiler coming up the African coast. The Jeanne d’Arc group heads over to help escort the minesweepers, who seem very exposed with their single escort. The support ships in Oman put their two escorts out front, and start steaming west along the coast. I’d like to put up some MPA ASW patrols in the area, but since there are probably still aircraft lurking in Socotra I’m holding off for now. The French in Djibouti will stay in port for now. The lone Brit up in the Red Sea is just asking for death. Hopefully nobody notices it.

Looking over my airborne assets, I can see I’ve got a lot of Harriers carrying stores that need buddy-lasing, so I decide to request the assistance of the Tornados, who are equipped for that task, and have the long legs to do it for an extended period of time. These and other aircraft from up north in the Gulf are ordered to relocate down to Thumrait for Socotra operations. I don’t have a lot of dedicated high-speed fighters, except for the French over in Djibouti. For Socotra operations I’ve got Harriers with AMRAAMs on the Brit carrier group, and Harriers with Sidewinders elsewhere. Other than that it’s a few AMRAAMs carried as secondary weapons on American strike aircraft. If we’re just facing a Mig-21 or two with older missiles we should be okay, but beyond that? Hmmm…


DAY 1

As operations get underway I decide that foolish moves are the best way to throw the enemy off-guard, and I try and sneak some of the little French Gazelles in at low altitude to take a look at the Ethiopian airbase in Dire Dawa, and to peek over the mountain into Aden. What could go wrong? Well, enemy fighters, that’s what. My scouts are shot down before they can exfiltrate. Dumb move…

The only benefit is that it provokes skirmishing between the French Mirages in Djibouti, and the Yemeni airforce, and the French quickly make a good score of F-5s and Mig-21s. Things start getting tougher when Mig-23’s start appearing out of Sana’a, but they’re usually coming 1 at a time, so they can be taken down at numerical advantage. Then the Mig-29s start to appear, and the French have to cool it for a bit. After taking some time to consolidate they start to launch strong 6-plane fighter sweeps, which gradually eat away the enemy air forces in Sana’a, before burnering back home to take advantage of their quick turnaround. It takes a while, but their final sweep of the evening even manages to get rid of the impudent jammer (and his silent ELINT friend) which have been loitering impudently in the region.

In one of the pauses in the air-to-air fight, my E-8 cruises through far in the background, plotting defences in the Bab. There’s plenty of those, as excpected, but it also spots a large column of contacts headed south to the Bab al Mandeb area. My recce Mirage makes a high-speed dash down the line, and brings back footage of an entire armoured regiment + on the move. I’ve got no way to hit it with any effective strength at the moment. If it stays in the region and contests the Bab then any landing on the far shore is going to be a miserable failure. The E-8 also spots a bunch of high speed naval contacts up north which may be a problem if they come south to interfere with the French Amphibs.

Cargo planes need to get into Djibouti, and the French decide that the Ethiopian fighters in Dire Dawa are a menace along that route. Therefore a strike of some Mirage fighters, one Mirage with AS-30Ls, and the attack helicopters head south to hit the base. A couple of enemy fighters are shot down, a couple more are destroyed on the ground, and the strike returns safely, leaving the airfield empty (for the moment). As they arrive home they are just in time to receive the diplomatic briefing saying “Please don’t antagonise the Ethipians”. Ooops….

Over in Thumrait the drones and recce planes start lifting off, to ID the various armed fishing boats (spies every one, I’m sure), and take a look at Socotra. The E-8 does a very good job of pinpointing enemy positions as it flies around at a distance, but an incautious naval helicopter, which tries to come in hidden by the radar shadow of the southern escarpment and ID an isolated radar blip on the south shore, gets spanked by a Mig-29 which was based on the island. Active Mig-29s on Socotra? Hmmm… That crystalizes my decision, and I request the air superiority Mirages to fly down to Thumrait as well.

The first strike against Socotra happens in the afternoon, after the Harriers have flown down from Kuwait and readied again. Everybody goes. A speculative HARM shot towards the surveillance radar prompts the SA-15 to light up, and a shower of anti-radiation missiles descend on it, but it shoots them all down. Fortunately it then runs out of missiles, and is finished off by an LGB. My LGB and laser Maverick forces then start working on enemy air defence vehicles. Once those are gone the first of my iron bombers swoop in, only to find that there are plenty of MANPADS active in the area, and I can’t see where they’re coming from. My pod equipped strikers drop down ‘till they’re a kilometer above missile ceiling, and that’s when they spot the full scope of the enemy deployment on the island. That’s a lot of guys! My remaining LGBs destroy some of the MANPADS, and my other bombers work over outlying troops where the little SAMs can’t reach.

Three naval contacts are spotted during the attack, huddled up against the Socotra shore, and the Trenchant manages to sink them with one Harpoon apiece. The Trenchant gets a surprise of its own, when, despite its very good sonar, it gets ambushed during a cruise-speed transit. The Trenchant fires a torp back down the bearing, and turns and runs as fast as it can. After a couple of minutes, in which time the enemy sub has hopefully turned to run and thus made itself blind, the Trenchant turns aside. The enemy torpedoes pass by on their original course, and the Trenchant runs silent. The enemy sub, which turns out to be a Victor, gets hunted down and killed by a helicopter from the Jeanne d’Arc group.

Another sub, which turns out to be an SSGN, also turns up in the path of the supply ships coming from Oman. Fortunately, the P-3 which laid the sonobuoy which detected it manages to sink it before it can do any damage. It’s ID-ed as a Charlie, with short range missiles. An Oscar would have been in range.



NIGHT 1

The first night comes with interesting political developments. I have orders to escort my commander on a night flight into Ethiopia, in order to work out a potential cease-fire.

My boss’s flight path will take them near the edge of Yemeni radar cover, and very close to one of their damaged bases. So, I plan to send an EC-130 to knock back radar range in that area. Some Mirage fighters from Thumrait will meet up with the diplomatic plane in that region, before escorting them down into Somalia. My F-15-Es and Tornadoes, with their long legs and good night vision, will rendezvous in the same zone, along with the E-8 and E-3, which will look for suspicious air and ground activity in the area. Four tankers are tasked to support.

It’s a lot of activity, but it goes well, and the operation is an unopposed diplomatic success (and I’m expected to operate against Eritrea now). However, it does delay the second strike on Socotra until the F-15Es and Tornados get back to lead the strike on their return trip. So the second strike begins shortly before dawn, which is later than I would have liked. On the up-side, as the planes cross the island from the SW they find another cluster of troops up in the mountains, which are added to the target list. The second strike finishes off the last of the known MANPADS with LGBs, and then works on the remaining targets. The little carriers are close enough to participate now, and the Harriers do a great job against the newly spotted troops in the mountains. Most effective are the Cobras, which do great execution against the main body of infantry with their death-ray 20mm cannons. By the end of the strikes only a modest number of troops remain around the port.

My minesweepers have been slowly closing in through the night, travelling along the coast from west to east, but they are appallingly slow. I’m sweeping at their 2 knot creep speed, sonars on. I suppose mines are most likely in the landing area, but I can’t trust that, and they could be anywhere along the coast. The coast is very long at 2 knots… The Jeanne d’Arc group is immediately behind them, impatient to do some NGFS. From the other side, I’ve detached most of the gunfire capable ships from the carriers and amphibs, and they’re being sent along the coast in single file from east to west. The Perry’s in the lead with its mine-hunting sonar blasting away, so they should be okay, right? Right?

The night was calmer in the Djibouti region, with cargo planes flying in full of troops, but one of the French Mirages doing a recce sweep found that the fast moving patrol boats from the Red Sea were transiting the Bab and heading towards Socotra. A Sea Harrier (with tanker support) made the long flight in from the Ark Royal to sink two of them with Sea Eagles, a Mirage with AS-30L got another one, and the American SSN used a Harpoon on the fourth. I think that’s all of them. The recce Mirage also spotted an AN-2 up in the Red Sea. I’m not sure what it was trying to accomplish in the dark, but it’s dead now.

I’ve ferried some helicopters up to Djibouti, including some Lynxes with good night vision equipment, and they had time do do a little scouting before it became light. They found there were still some boats in docks in the Bab area, so the AS-30L Mirage blasted a pair of docks, and they can repeat this if more turn up.


PLANS FOR DAY 2

Airstrikes in Socotra are winding down, so I’m going to start shifting aircraft into Djibouti. The F-16s with HARM are already on the way, and I’ll send more as the day progresses.

The amphib landing will proceed on Socotra (barring minefield disasters) but I’m already behind schedule. I should have read my timelines more closely and planned better at the beginning. Slowing and consolidating into task groups was prudent, but took time my commander did not want to me to spend! Pelilieu is expected to stay at Socotra, but I may try hurrying Ark Royal towards the Bab. The American SSN hasn’t found anything hidden en-route yet, but a Tango or Kilo shaped surprise may still be lurking about, so a high speed transit would be risky.

In Djibouti I need to find where the regiment went (the E-8’s on its way now), and see if there’s anything up near the Russian naval base in Eritrea to worry about. Recce Mirages will get to work there. At the same time I’ll start infiltrating recce teams onto the nearer islands by helicopter, and the more distant ones by parachute.

I know there’s still a couple more Mig-29s up in Sana’a, and probably some fighters in Eritrea, so we’ll do some more Mirage sweeps before converting most of the Mirages over to bombing. I’d like to get rid of the radars in the Sana’a and Ataq area too, and I may be able to sneak some TLAMs in through the mountains to do it. (I should have done that last night, under cover of darkness.)

If it looks like air defences are mostly down then it’ll be time to start working over the enemy in the Bab, before landings on Day 3.




Gunner98 -> RE: New Scenario for testing - IOF #4 The Red Gate (6/12/2018 1:54:20 AM)

Thanks Andrew

Fantastic report as usual.




AndrewJ -> RE: New Scenario for testing - IOF #4 The Red Gate (6/16/2018 9:09:16 PM)

Can the big French Batral LPD unload directly on the beach?

The picture in teh database seems to show bow doors, but I don;t know if they can only be used at a dock?




Gunner98 -> RE: New Scenario for testing - IOF #4 The Red Gate (6/16/2018 9:19:34 PM)

I think it can unload on the beach, but have not tried it. Will look around a bit.

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Gunner98 -> RE: New Scenario for testing - IOF #4 The Red Gate (6/16/2018 9:23:05 PM)

Here we go



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