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Oberst_Klink -> The French-Algerian War 1954-1962 | They bled in the Bled (5/17/2018 5:22:24 PM)

OK peeps, here we go.

Let's all brainstorm, exchange ideas, share references material and hopefully we can, as a team effort, put together some interesting scenarios about this rather unknown/forgotten conflict.

I am at the moment working on Bouzegza 1957; I got thh map (merci Christophe!), but still reading various reference material in order to get it right (or as close as possible).

The possible scenarios won't appeal to the tank warfare fanboys/-girls... but to those who are interested in small wars, the 1st real use of helicopters (yes, it was the French!) in deploying troops and supplies to the area(s) of operation. You can read up on it while browsing my blog (sorry, I had to mention it).

So, any more takers on this?

Klink, Oberst



berto -> RE: The French-Algerian War 1954-1962 | They bled in the Bled (5/17/2018 7:53:02 PM)


Remember that CSME doesn't have a truly functional offensive helo AI. (We are developing one for CSVN, for future retrofit onto CSME.) So any scenarios you create with helos in them will require a human player to play the helo-armed French side, whether vs. the Algerian AI or in H2H play (PBEM etc.). In other words, for such scenarios, no French AI play. It would not quite work!



Oberst_Klink -> RE: The French-Algerian War 1954-1962 | They bled in the Bled (5/17/2018 8:05:03 PM)

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ORIGINAL: berto


Remember that CSME doesn't have a truly functional offensive helo AI. (We are developing one for CSVN, for future retrofit onto CSME.) So any scenarios you create with helos in them will require a human player to play the helo-armed French side, whether vs. the Algerian AI or in H2H play (PBEM etc.). In other words, for such scenarios, no French AI play. It would not quite work!

Do not worry, HAL. I'll ensure I will point this out at the scenario description, e.g. H2H, Side A vs. AI, Side B vs. AI... First, I need to get a reply from the French Army about my request to get unclassified combat reports to create the scenarios in the 1st place.

Klink, Oberst



Oberst_Klink -> RE: The French-Algerian War 1954-1962 | They bled in the Bled (5/24/2018 2:36:29 PM)

It arrived! Now I gotta skim/read thru 560 pages...

Klink, Oberst

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Andrea G -> RE: The French-Algerian War 1954-1962 | They bled in the Bled (5/25/2018 6:37:58 AM)

Good read!
[:D]



Oberst_Klink -> RE: The French-Algerian War 1954-1962 | They bled in the Bled (5/25/2018 2:08:39 PM)

Still working out some tiny little details for the 1st scenario. Worst case is, I have to state it's semi-historical, so what... ;)

Klink, Oberst



SIPRES -> RE: The French-Algerian War 1954-1962 | They bled in the Bled (5/26/2018 4:45:51 AM)

Hallo Herr Oberst,

Do you get any detailled map/OOb included in the book?
If you wish I will prepare another map for "next" scenario (just tell me wich area you would like)

Christophe



Oberst_Klink -> RE: The French-Algerian War 1954-1962 | They bled in the Bled (5/26/2018 9:10:51 AM)

Christophe

The book focuses on the conflict in general, political, social, and of course military aspects. The general French OOB is no problem at all, the same for the various area commanders of the FLN/ALN. Getting battle reports is the tricky thing. As for another map, if you got the time, have a look at this battle. This was more of a bigger confrontation.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Agounennda

EDIT: I found most of it now... Silly me. It's in all those documents I posted on the blog!

https://hauptkampflinie.blogspot.de/2018/02/french-ground-force-organisation.html
https://hauptkampflinie.blogspot.de/2018/04/the-first-helicopter-war-campaign.html

Klink, Oberst

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Eagle-FZS -> RE: The French-Algerian War 1954-1962 | They bled in the Bled (6/7/2018 11:53:35 AM)

Since last week, I've also bought CSME. After creating some scenarios and LCGs for TCS and JTCS, I also ventured into CSME with a small scenario. At the request of Mr. Klink I started the research of the Algerian war. Unfortunately, the information is rather little so that it is difficult to create extensive scenarios.
When creating I noticed that for the Algeria war only a few units are available in the Gameorg which makes an adjustment of the oob's advisable to create the scenarios as realistic as possible. Whether it is Oberst_Klink or I or another will show up
My scenario is based on a report by Captain D. Galula, then Commander of the 3rd Company of the 45th B.I.C.

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Operation Oued Stita

August 1, 1956, Oued Stita Valley, Algeria, After the insurrection of Ait Aissa Mimoun led by leader Mohamed et Ali Oudiai has led to several attacks on French soldiers and riots in the population. Lt-Col. Lemoine units into the Oued Stita valley to bring him and his fellaghas to the track.
When taking the rebel camp found no trace of Mohamed et Ali Oudiai who has found a way to settle with some insurgents.

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Since I am from Germany, I also have a version with a German description

1.August 1956, Oued Stita Tal, Algerien, Nachdem die l’insurrection à Ait Aissa Mimoun von Anführer Mohamed et Ali Oudiai mehrere Anschläge gegen französische Soldaten durchgeführt hat und in der Bevölkerung für Unruhen sorgte entsante Lt. Col. Lemoine Einheiten in das Oued Stita Tal um ihn und seine Fellaghas zur Strecke zu bringen.
Bei Einnahme des Rebellenlagers fand man keine Spur von Mohamed et Ali Oudiai der einen Weg gefunden hat sich mit einigen Aufständischen abzusetzen.

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Oberst_Klink -> RE: The French-Algerian War 1954-1962 | They bled in the Bled (6/7/2018 2:49:54 PM)

Here's the recommended reading about Cpt. D. Galula.

Klink, Oberst



Crossroads -> RE: The French-Algerian War 1954-1962 | They bled in the Bled (6/8/2018 4:45:09 PM)

Great work! [sm=happy0065.gif]

I added a pointer to your scenario to the Community Scenarios Table of Contents post [:)]



Eagle-FZS -> RE: The French-Algerian War 1954-1962 | They bled in the Bled (6/11/2018 8:17:06 AM)


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ORIGINAL: Crossroads

Great work! [sm=happy0065.gif]

I added a pointer to your scenario to the Community Scenarios Table of Contents post [:)]


Thanks ^^

Creating a structure for the Algerian war is difficult because the French troops were regrouped and renamed several times during this period. Some sources have used labels over their validity period which makes everything contradictory

Example:
29e régiment de tirailleurs algériens R.T.A. (vor 1956)
29e bataillon de tirailleurs algériens B.T.A. (February 1956)
29e bataillon de tirailleurs B.T. (November 1958)
29e régiment de tirailleurs R.T. (November 1959)



Oberst_Klink -> RE: The French-Algerian War 1954-1962 | They bled in the Bled (6/11/2018 4:41:00 PM)

Klasse! I do salute you! The project IMHO is just perfect for the new CSME. Algeria was a bloody and vicious de-colonization struggle, but also so interesting in many ways!

Klink, Oberst



Crossroads -> RE: The French-Algerian War 1954-1962 | They bled in the Bled (6/11/2018 6:10:10 PM)

Absolutely! Looking for more scenarios please [:)]



Oberst_Klink -> RE: The French-Algerian War 1954-1962 | They bled in the Bled (6/12/2018 1:07:40 PM)

I small but challenging scenario! The FLN really gave me a good fight; very aggressive bunch. Victory conditions me might have to tweak a bit, I think David wrote an article about how to calculate them. Adding a jeep or the Btl.HQ. wouldn't do any harm, but not a big deal. If only I get into the CSEE and the .lua.
@FZS-Eagle - Gute Arbeit!

Klink, Oberst

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Oberst_Klink -> RE: The French-Algerian War 1954-1962 | They bled in the Bled (6/12/2018 1:10:05 PM)

Here's the zipped .BTL file.

Klink, Oberst



Eagle-FZS -> RE: The French-Algerian War 1954-1962 | They bled in the Bled (6/12/2018 2:07:22 PM)

I once started putting together a structure of the French forces in the Algerian war. If anyone wants to add something to my remarks then post it here.
Here is a list of the Corps d'Armée d'Oran

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Oberst_Klink -> RE: The French-Algerian War 1954-1962 | They bled in the Bled (6/12/2018 2:25:01 PM)

Outstanding! You did get all the documents I posted on the blog, ja? The general OOB I found on Wiki, but only the Divisions and Regiments. Where did you dig up the detailed OOB? I guess it's time to #Tweet and blog about them.

Klink, Oberst



Jason Petho -> RE: The French-Algerian War 1954-1962 | They bled in the Bled (6/12/2018 2:25:47 PM)

If you identify platoons that you would like incorporated into the order of battles officially, let me know and I can do that for you.



Eagle-FZS -> RE: The French-Algerian War 1954-1962 | They bled in the Bled (6/12/2018 4:12:56 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Oberst_Klink

Outstanding! You did get all the documents I posted on the blog, ja? The general OOB I found on Wiki, but only the Divisions and Regiments. Where did you dig up the detailed OOB? I guess it's time to #Tweet and blog about them.

Klink, Oberst


I am still working on Corps d'Armée d'Alger, Corps d'Armée de Constantine, Réserves Générales and Commandment Interarmees au Sahara



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ORIGINAL: Jason Petho

If you identify platoons that you would like incorporated into the order of battles officially, let me know and I can do that for you.


Yes I'll let you know as soon as I find something



Eagle-FZS -> RE: The French-Algerian War 1954-1962 | They bled in the Bled (6/13/2018 12:44:22 PM)

Here from the Corps d'Armée d'Alger the zone Nord Algérois and zone Sud Algérois

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Eagle-FZS -> RE: The French-Algerian War 1954-1962 | They bled in the Bled (6/14/2018 8:33:43 AM)

Zone Est Algérois and Zone Ouest Algérois

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Eagle-FZS -> RE: The French-Algerian War 1954-1962 | They bled in the Bled (6/17/2018 1:36:53 PM)

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I have completely inserted everything into a .doc file.
The allocations are not correct for the entire period as there were many transfers across zones. This list should only be a basis.
I will now create some missing sections in CSME and send them to Mr. Petho to be part of the next update

AlgerienWar OOB



Jason Petho -> RE: The French-Algerian War 1954-1962 | They bled in the Bled (6/17/2018 3:23:29 PM)

That's fantastic! Thank you!



Oberst_Klink -> RE: The French-Algerian War 1954-1962 | They bled in the Bled (6/18/2018 11:39:34 AM)


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ORIGINAL: Eagle-FZS

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I have completely inserted everything into a .doc file.
The allocations are not correct for the entire period as there were many transfers across zones. This list should only be a basis.
I will now create some missing sections in CSME and send them to Mr. Petho to be part of the next update

AlgerienWar OOB

Fantastisch! Bloody marvellous, thanks!

Klink, Oberst



Eagle-FZS -> RE: The French-Algerian War 1954-1962 | They bled in the Bled (6/26/2018 8:31:57 AM)

Here is a small scenario "Ambush at Djerrah"

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The ambush of Palestro, or ambush of Djerrah, is a military engagement that takes place on May 18, 1956 during the Algerian war near the village of Djerrah in the Palestro region (now Lakhdaria) in Kabylia. A commando of about 40 members of the National Liberation Army (NLA), led by Lieutenant Ali Khodja, destroyed a patrol of twenty-one men of the 9th R.I.C. under the command of Lieutenant Hervé Artur. At the scene of the ambush were found 16 dead French soldiers and one survivor. Of the remaining 4 soldiers lacked any trace. In the face of this serious situation, General Massu alerted several units. Among them paratroopers of the 4 / 13e R.D.P. with 4 helicopters, experienced people who are used to this type of operation. As soon as they hit the ground, the paratroopers began searching for the missing.

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Legionaer -> RE: The French-Algerian War 1954-1962 | They bled in the Bled (10/28/2018 8:36:21 AM)

Hallo Dirk,

schön das du auch hier bei Matrix bist. Sehr schöne Arbeit, wusste gar nicht das du auch in dieser Region (Spieletechnisch) aktiv bist.

Wenn du Zeit und Lust für ein ME-Szenario hast ... [;)]

Gruß
Stefan



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