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Labelling the Allies as war criminals looks a bit eccessive.

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In Saving Private Ryan the Monty thing is hardly the end of the world - its just unnecessary.

Meh. It's what guys in warzones do-play amateur tactician and 'what if' the battle(s) that they're involved in. What they bandied about was a common point of view. Admittedly, their view was self-centered and a little myopic, but that's what all guys in all uniforms do in their '100 yards of Hell'.

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As regards to combat troops killing prisoners or enemy soldiers attempting to surrender, it often happened in the heat of battle and I am sure there are countless episodes we will never know about. Labelling the Allies as war criminals looks a bit eccessive.

By the way, did you ever wonder why Allied troops - unlike the representative of the Herrenrasse - were often slowed by cheering civilians? [:D]

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What I am trying to say is that the landing sequence is what makes it a decent war flick.

i thought there were four standout scenes. Most of the rest, did not care for.

But the four -

1. The landing . Which is awesome. Just awesome.
2. The sniper scene.
3. When the wall falls down and the resting Germans are as surprised as the resting Americans.
4. The moment they find Ryan during an ambush.

5. Honourable mentions - the dog tag scene and the knife fight which the German wins, then just walks out of the building and ignores the other yank clerk.

Shame the premise of the film was so shaky to begin with. It would have been very epic without the mush.

As a brit, i was surprised there was a 'fuss' about no brits in SPR. it came after The patriot made all English murderers. And the enigma monstrosity of a movie. It was mostly newspaper American bashing.
there are no Americans or Canadians in the battle Of Britain. Americans never complained.
Come to think of it, not in Zulu either. Did Beevor mention Zulu? Its the ultimate film to disdain these days. Despite being fairly accurate with the history, if not the true characters.

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In Saving Private Ryan the Monty thing is hardly the end of the world - its just unnecessary.

Meh. It's what guys in warzones do-play amateur tactician and 'what if' the battle(s) that they're involved in. What they bandied about was a common point of view. Admittedly, their view was self-centered and a little myopic, but that's what all guys in all uniforms do in their '100 yards of Hell'.

warspite1

I'm sure they do. That line in a film that had no reason to mention the British at all was simply gratuitous and unnecessary.

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Labelling the Allies as war criminals looks a bit eccessive.

Agreed. I'm sure it happened on rare occasion. But I object to any false moral equivalences that such a focus suggests. If the viewer is left with the perspective that "Americans did it, Germans did it, therefore everyone is equally culpable" then it's not a balanced perspective.

In terms of barbarism, you won't get at the truth of it if you don't hammer on the Russian, German and Japanese behavior to their prisoners in the Second World War. For any German male born between 1900 and 1930, the place they were most statistically likely to survive the war was in a British or American POW camp.

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I think it was far more common than perhaps people like to believe.

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In Saving Private Ryan the Monty thing is hardly the end of the world - its just unnecessary.

Meh. It's what guys in warzones do-play amateur tactician and 'what if' the battle(s) that they're involved in. What they bandied about was a common point of view. Admittedly, their view was self-centered and a little myopic, but that's what all guys in all uniforms do in their '100 yards of Hell'.

warspite1

I'm sure they do. That line in a film that had no reason to mention the British at all was simply gratuitous and unnecessary.

I think you've being a little overly sensitive, but to each their own.

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In Saving Private Ryan the Monty thing is hardly the end of the world - its just unnecessary.

Meh. It's what guys in warzones do-play amateur tactician and 'what if' the battle(s) that they're involved in. What they bandied about was a common point of view. Admittedly, their view was self-centered and a little myopic, but that's what all guys in all uniforms do in their '100 yards of Hell'.

warspite1

I'm sure they do. That line in a film that had no reason to mention the British at all was simply gratuitous and unnecessary.

I think you've being a little overly sensitive, but to each their own.

warspite1

Not really - as I say, its hardly the biggest thing in the world. Just disappointing, but we are increasingly used to it - WWII starting on 7 December 1941, The British drinking tea on the beach while only ANZACs died at Gallipoli, the British in the 13 Colonies acting like SS Einsatzgruppen, cowardly, bribe taking British officers shooting unarmed Irish steerage-class passengers on the Titanic blah blah. Ces't la vie as we say in Germany.

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In Saving Private Ryan the Monty thing is hardly the end of the world - its just unnecessary.

Meh. It's what guys in warzones do-play amateur tactician and 'what if' the battle(s) that they're involved in. What they bandied about was a common point of view. Admittedly, their view was self-centered and a little myopic, but that's what all guys in all uniforms do in their '100 yards of Hell'.

warspite1

I'm sure they do. That line in a film that had no reason to mention the British at all was simply gratuitous and unnecessary.

I think you've being a little overly sensitive, but to each their own.

warspite1

Not really - as I say, its hardly the biggest thing in the world. Just disappointing, but we are increasingly used to it - WWII starting on 7 December 1941, The British drinking tea on the beach while only ANZACs died at Gallipoli, the British in the 13 Colonies acting like SS Einsatzgruppen, cowardly, bribe taking British officers shooting unarmed Irish steerage-class passengers on the Titanic blah blah. Ces't la vie as we say in Germany.

Truth is the first casualty of war.

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In Saving Private Ryan the Monty thing is hardly the end of the world - its just unnecessary.

Meh. It's what guys in warzones do-play amateur tactician and 'what if' the battle(s) that they're involved in. What they bandied about was a common point of view. Admittedly, their view was self-centered and a little myopic, but that's what all guys in all uniforms do in their '100 yards of Hell'.

warspite1

I'm sure they do. That line in a film that had no reason to mention the British at all was simply gratuitous and unnecessary.

I think you've being a little overly sensitive, but to each their own.

warspite1

Not really - as I say, its hardly the biggest thing in the world. Just disappointing, but we are increasingly used to it - WWII starting on 7 December 1941, The British drinking tea on the beach while only ANZACs died at Gallipoli, the British in the 13 Colonies acting like SS Einsatzgruppen, cowardly, bribe taking British officers shooting unarmed Irish steerage-class passengers on the Titanic blah blah. Ces't la vie as we say in Germany.

Truth is the first casualty of war.

warspite1

....and the first casualty of war is your haircut

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There is a fundamental difference between a lone soldier or even a platoon of soldiers acting in clear violation of their own laws and military regulations; and nation-states that, through legislative action, make ethnic extermination an acceptable expression of state-sponsored policy.