May 22nd, 1943

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Anachro -> May 22nd, 1943 (8/10/2019 11:12:15 PM)
@Crackaces I, too, am interested in the economic situation of Japan over time. Producing all those engines for all those 4-E Liz's can't be cheap, plus all the other toys he gets; and John certainly likes to move his ships around and burn fuel. May 22nd, 1943 Not much to note today other than that supplies continue to be offloaded at Port Moresby (helping the supply sit there), Milne Bay, Deboyne Islands, and Tagula Island. Furthermore, we conduct further sweeps of Horn where we come off slightly better, but I will have to hold back on heavy bombers as attrition creeps up. Once supply situations at the islands are done, fighters should be freed up to help with sweeps. The real interesting thing is what happens tomorrow. I guessed correctly on where the convoy from last turn was headed and my subs make contact (though no damage caused) that gives me a clear line of where this large convoy is headed. This is further backed up by sigint that identifies one of the ships in the convoy as heading to Hollandia, as well as heavy radio activity that gives its exact current location. I sent some destroyers up at flank speed thinking John's recon in his backyard might be lacking. I was correct. I now have 3 Bristol-class destroyers and 1 Fletcher-class destroyer between the convoy and its destination, unspotted. They will attempt to cause havoc tomorrow. Another DD convoy, though spotted, will attempt to hit transport ships at Madang. [image]https://i.imgur.com/sfm3v4w.png[/image]

T Rav -> RE: May 22nd, 1943 (8/11/2019 12:06:24 AM)
Sounds like the set-up for "31-Knot Burke." Go get 'em, Anachro!

RangerJoe -> RE: May 22nd, 1943 (8/11/2019 1:11:35 AM)
quote: I now have 3 Bristol-class destroyers and 1 Fletcher-class destroyer between the convoy and its destination, unspotted. They will attempt to cause havoc tomorrow. Cry "Havoc" and let slip the Dogs of War!

Anachro -> May 23rd, 1943 (8/11/2019 3:39:22 AM)
May 23rd, 1943 Why do I always have such bad luck? Well, we will try for an intercept tomorrow as we know the location of the TF, but I'm guessing John will detach some of his escorts and try to run. [image]https://i.imgur.com/DE2P3Zo.jpg[/image]

Bearcat2 -> RE: May 23rd, 1943 (8/11/2019 1:13:31 PM)
Who was in command of those DD's- Brave Sir Robin?

Anachro -> RE: May 23rd, 1943 (8/11/2019 1:47:01 PM)
It was a 70+ naval / 80+ aggressiveness commander. We'll see what happens next turn.

Canoerebel -> RE: May 23rd, 1943 (8/11/2019 2:01:33 PM)
Maybe it was like walking into the Castle Anthrax and freezing when faced with so many comely, willing beauties?

Crackaces -> RE: May 23rd, 1943 (8/11/2019 2:06:58 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Anachro It was a 70+ naval / 80+ aggressiveness commander. We'll see what happens next turn. It looks like Visual range was 12,000 yards and the closest the two TF’s got was 27,000 yards? Some GG die roll was missed. [:'(] but you did take out support units at Madang .. I suspect port guys to help unload since no engineers were lost .. but smarter players might comment ...

T Rav -> RE: May 23rd, 1943 (8/11/2019 2:17:02 PM)
I agree. Twas Sir Galahad at Castle Anthrax.

Anachro -> May 24th, 1943 (8/11/2019 7:59:52 PM)
May 24th, 1943 quote: AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR May 24, 43 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Night Time Surface Combat, near Hollandia at 95,116, Range 29,000 Yards Japanese Ships PC PB-68 PC PB-72 TB Tomozuru DMS W-23 PB Hakkaisan Maru PB Keiko Maru PB Kyo Maru #10 SC Ch 1 SC Ch 3 AK Sakito Maru AK Sakura Maru AK Sasako Maru AK Kaga Maru AK Aratama Maru AK Yamasimo Maru xAK Nitisan Maru xAK Kaiko Maru xAK Tazima Maru xAK Dakar Maru PB Kogane Maru xAK Manyo Maru xAK Nishimi Maru xAK Sansei Maru xAK Taian Maru xAK Taikei Maru xAK Toko Maru xAK Tomitu Maru xAK Toyotu Maru xAK Tyuwa Maru xAK Aden Maru xAK Atlantic Maru xAK Belgium Maru xAK Clyde Maru xAK Florida Maru xAK Havre Maru xAK Singapore Maru xAK Manzyu Maru xAK Nikki Maru xAK Totori Maru xAK Kinsyu Maru xAK Izan Maru xAP Husimi Maru xAP Suwa Maru xAP Kokuryu Maru xAP Kanzyu Maru xAP Manzyu Maru xAP Teibi Maru SC Ch 35 Allied Ships DD Conway DD Woodworth Improved night sighting under 71% moonlight Maximum visibility in Clear Conditions and 71% moonlight: 12,000 yards Range closes to 27,000 yards... CONTACT: Allies radar detects Japanese task force at 27,000 yards Range increases to 29,000 yards... Japanese Task Force Manages to Escape Japanese Amphibious TF evades combat quote: Night Time Surface Combat, near Hollandia at 94,116, Range 13,000 Yards Japanese Ships PC PB-68 PC PB-72 TB Tomozuru, Shell hits 1, on fire DMS W-23, Shell hits 3, heavy fires PB Hakkaisan Maru PB Keiko Maru, Shell hits 1, on fire PB Kyo Maru #10 SC Ch 1 SC Ch 3 AK Sakito Maru AK Sakura Maru AK Sasako Maru AK Kaga Maru AK Aratama Maru AK Yamasimo Maru xAK Nitisan Maru xAK Kaiko Maru, Shell hits 1 xAK Tazima Maru xAK Dakar Maru PB Kogane Maru xAK Manyo Maru xAK Nishimi Maru xAK Sansei Maru xAK Taian Maru xAK Taikei Maru xAK Toko Maru xAK Tomitu Maru xAK Toyotu Maru xAK Tyuwa Maru xAK Aden Maru xAK Atlantic Maru xAK Belgium Maru xAK Clyde Maru xAK Florida Maru xAK Havre Maru xAK Singapore Maru xAK Manzyu Maru xAK Nikki Maru xAK Totori Maru xAK Kinsyu Maru xAK Izan Maru, Shell hits 1 xAP Husimi Maru xAP Suwa Maru xAP Kokuryu Maru xAP Kanzyu Maru xAP Manzyu Maru xAP Teibi Maru SC Ch 35 Allied Ships DD Conway, Shell hits 1 DD Woodworth Japanese ground losses: 8 casualties reported Squads: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled quote: Night Time Surface Combat, near Hollandia at 94,116, Range 29,000 Yards Japanese Ships PC PB-68 PC PB-72 TB Tomozuru, on fire DMS W-23, heavy fires PB Hakkaisan Maru PB Keiko Maru, on fire PB Kyo Maru #10 SC Ch 1 SC Ch 3 AK Sakito Maru AK Sakura Maru AK Sasako Maru AK Kaga Maru AK Aratama Maru AK Yamasimo Maru xAK Nitisan Maru xAK Kaiko Maru xAK Tazima Maru xAK Dakar Maru PB Kogane Maru xAK Manyo Maru xAK Nishimi Maru xAK Sansei Maru xAK Taian Maru xAK Taikei Maru xAK Toko Maru xAK Tomitu Maru xAK Toyotu Maru xAK Tyuwa Maru xAK Aden Maru xAK Atlantic Maru xAK Belgium Maru xAK Clyde Maru xAK Florida Maru xAK Havre Maru xAK Singapore Maru xAK Manzyu Maru xAK Nikki Maru xAK Totori Maru xAK Kinsyu Maru xAK Izan Maru xAP Husimi Maru xAP Suwa Maru xAP Kokuryu Maru xAP Kanzyu Maru xAP Manzyu Maru xAP Teibi Maru SC Ch 35 Allied Ships DD Lansdowne DD Barton Improved night sighting under 71% moonlight Maximum visibility in Clear Conditions and 71% moonlight: 12,000 yards Range closes to 27,000 yards... CONTACT: Allies radar detects Japanese task force at 27,000 yards Range increases to 29,000 yards... Japanese Task Force Manages to Escape Japanese Amphibious TF evades combat quote: Night Time Surface Combat, near Aitape at 95,117, Range 11,000 Yards Japanese Ships xAP Teison Maru, Shell hits 13, and is sunk Allied Ships DD Lansdowne, Shell hits 1 DD Barton Japanese ground losses: 550 casualties reported Squads: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled Non Combat: 38 destroyed, 22 disabled Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled Guns lost 3 (3 destroyed, 0 disabled)

GetAssista -> RE: May 24th, 1943 (8/11/2019 10:01:38 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Anachro quote: ... CONTACT: Allies radar detects Japanese task force at 27,000 yards Range increases to 29,000 yards... Japanese Task Force Manages to Escape Japanese Amphibious TF evades combat That scenario sure looks popular the last days [:D] The future version of the game (if it ever comes) would certainly benefit from some fog of war in those kinds of situations. Identifying the whole roster of ships from 27k yards at night is meh.

Uncivil Engineer -> RE: May 24th, 1943 (8/12/2019 10:46:29 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: GetAssista quote: ORIGINAL: Anachro quote: ... CONTACT: Allies radar detects Japanese task force at 27,000 yards Range increases to 29,000 yards... Japanese Task Force Manages to Escape Japanese Amphibious TF evades combat That scenario sure looks popular the last days [:D] The future version of the game (if it ever comes) would certainly benefit from some fog of war in those kinds of situations. Identifying the whole roster of ships from 27k yards at night is meh. +1 - instead of the entire list something like - and a whole bunch of transports (after the first few PBs involved in the combat), such as - quote: Night Time Surface Combat, near Hollandia at 94,116, Range 29,000 Yards Japanese Ships PC PB-68 PC PB-72 TB Tomozuru, on fire DMS W-23, heavy fires PB Hakkaisan Maru PB Keiko Maru, on fire PB Kyo Maru #10 SC Ch 1 SC Ch 3 ... and a lot of transports

Anachro -> May 25th, 1943 (8/12/2019 5:05:35 PM)
May 25th, 1943 A fun little turn. In the most successful Allied destroyer engagement today, 4 American destroyers (3 Fletchers and a Bristol) completely destroy an identical Japanese formation of 4 Kamikaze-class DDs. We had moved these DDs over towards Lunga last turn when we spotted some enemy boats of unknown type; they were spotted last turn 1 hex next to these Japanese destroyers at Lunga. We expected John to be more reactive and either disband his destroyers or send them for attack, but he did neither and they were quite devastatingly destroyed off the coast of Guadalcanal. Unfortunately, one of our DDs up north (the most valuable one, the Fletcher) doesn't have sufficient LRCAP and it 2 waves of enemy air attack takes 2 bomb hits and is forced to be scuttled. 2 more DDs attempting to hit Japanese boats at Kavieng, thinking they were transports, run into destroyers instead and come off worse in the engagement, but they might be able to make it back to home port. On the land side of things, the 1st Marine Division has caught up with Japanese forces and will attempt to push them (demolishing a level 1 fort today) before moving on to Buna. [image]https://i.imgur.com/Nfdc0RW.png[/image]

Anachro -> RE: May 25th, 1943 (8/12/2019 5:11:00 PM)
In India, we take Trincomalee and will now conduct clean up heading towards Jaffna. Simultaneously, 2 divisions and 2 brigades march to destroy and cutoff the one Japanese division north of Koggala. [image]https://i.imgur.com/dahxyEc.png[/image]

Anachro -> RE: May 25th, 1943 (8/12/2019 5:15:54 PM)
Air Losses [image]https://i.imgur.com/PLQ6mGQ.png[/image] Relevant Sigint quote: Heavy Volume of Radio transmissions detected at 94,113. Heavy Volume of Radio transmissions detected at 94,113. Heavy Volume of Radio transmissions detected at 94,113. (north of Hollandia, this is the big TF) 6th Guards Inf. Regiment is loaded on xAP Teiritsu Maru moving to Pagan. 39th/B Division is planning for an attack on Chungking.

Canoerebel -> RE: May 25th, 1943 (8/12/2019 5:19:50 PM)
I'm sure John has or will soon send a message noting how his isolated army on Ceylon is accomplishing exactly what he meant it to accomplish (missing his own irony in suggesting that he intended for them to get destroyed). I bet you know this, and I know you know another this: Whenever possible, it's helpful to not mix warship classes (IE, all Fletchers or all Bristols etc.) However, as you and I both know, the exigencies of war sometimes require us to cobble together as best we can from whatever's available. P.S. When John began posting fastly and furiously, I started reading his AAR too. So I'm loathe to comment on matters of substance in either AAR, now that I've compromised myself. [:)]

Anachro -> RE: May 25th, 1943 (8/12/2019 5:21:00 PM)
Yeah, certainly, when I can I don't mix unless as escorts. But this was what I had on hand. However, I think matching speed is more important than class.

GetAssista -> RE: May 25th, 1943 (8/12/2019 9:59:27 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Anachro A fun little turn. In the most successful Allied destroyer engagement today, 4 American destroyers (3 Fletchers and a Bristol) completely destroy an identical Japanese formation of 4 Kamikaze-class DDs. We had moved these DDs over towards Lunga last turn when we spotted some enemy boats of unknown type; they were spotted last turn 1 hex next to these Japanese destroyers at Lunga. We expected John to be more reactive and either disband his destroyers or send them for attack, but he did neither and they were quite devastatingly destroyed off the coast of Guadalcanal. What's worse, John had those DDs docked in port, which means he essentially handed them to you as sitting ducks. This is a rookie mistake on his part. TFs do not enter docked mode themselves, and it is far too risky to get any ships docked w/o cover in a hot zone

Anachro -> RE: May 25th, 1943 (8/12/2019 10:37:05 PM)
John's flipping turns today, by the way. Wonder if he has some undetected raid in the works.

Anachro -> RE: May 25th, 1943 (8/15/2019 1:42:26 AM)
It happened...again. quote: Day Time Surface Combat, near Trincomalee at 34,53, Range 29,000 Yards Japanese Ships PB Choko Maru #2 xAK Kinsyo Maru xAP Hakone Maru Allied Ships DD Gwin DD Monssen DD Pakenham DD Panther DD Redoubt Maximum visibility in Partly Cloudy Conditions: 28,000 yards Range closes to 27,000 yards... CONTACT: Japanese lookouts spot Allied task force at 27,000 yards Japanese TF attempts to evade combat Range increases to 28,000 yards... Range increases to 29,000 yards... Range increases to 29,000 yards... Japanese Escort TF evades combat

GetAssista -> RE: May 25th, 1943 (8/15/2019 2:11:53 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Anachro It happened...again. Is that all that happened during the turn-flipping you mentioned? [:D] Maybe it's not a coincidence then, and John had found a secret for super-evasiveness!

HansBolter -> RE: May 25th, 1943 (8/15/2019 11:37:00 AM)
Evasions happen pretty often when the encounter range is 29k. What bites is that the DDs never managed to close to less than 27k before the transport fleet vanished. xAKs shouldn't be able to outrun destroyers, so I typically chalk it up to weather as a rationalization when this happens in my games. At 27k they must have slipped into a fog bank and were never seen again kind of thing.

BBfanboy -> RE: May 25th, 1943 (8/15/2019 3:01:59 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: HansBolter Evasions happen pretty often when the encounter range is 29k. What bites is that the DDs never managed to close to less than 27k before the transport fleet vanished. xAKs shouldn't be able to outrun destroyers, so I typically chalk it up to weather as a rationalization when this happens in my games. At 27k they must have slipped into a fog bank and were never seen again kind of thing. I would have thought the same, but weather conditions were shown as "Partly Cloudy" during the encounter. I wonder if the relative naval skill of the TF commanders was a factor. The convoy could make smoke (which should not deter the Allied radar-equipped DDs) but at 27K yards not much more than mast tops should be visible. Just one of those unfathomable randoms built into the game I guess.

RangerJoe -> RE: May 25th, 1943 (8/15/2019 7:50:27 PM)
Partly cloudy could also include rain showers and/or scattered thunderstorms . . .

Simonsez -> RE: May 25th, 1943 (8/15/2019 9:53:42 PM)
RNGGG giveth and RNGGG taketh [:D]

BBfanboy -> RE: May 25th, 1943 (8/15/2019 10:03:58 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: RangerJoe Partly cloudy could also include rain showers and/or scattered thunderstorms . . . When it is the weather for the hex being looked at, yes, but for the actual encounter can we not believe what the combat report says?

RangerJoe -> RE: May 25th, 1943 (8/15/2019 10:21:05 PM)
quote: quote: ORIGINAL: RangerJoe Partly cloudy could also include rain showers and/or scattered thunderstorms . . . BBfanboy When it is the weather for the hex being looked at, yes, but for the actual encounter can we not believe what the combat report says? With Gary Grigsby and random numbers? Who knows? The Battle for Leyte Gulf had scattered showers that the CVEs used (or tried to use) to evade the IJN. Yet otherwise it was fine aviation weather - except for the AAA.

ChuckBerger -> RE: May 25th, 1943 (8/16/2019 12:43:54 AM)
So many narratives that one could use to explain results like this. A false periscope sighting causes the DDs to take evasive action and waste time, while the enemy slips away. At night, confusion with radar - small island mistaken for ships, etc. A minor engineering casualty, one of the Allied ships loses speed for an hour while the problem is fixed. Allied ships entering suspected minefield, veers off rather than risking it. Misidentification of escorts - a floatplane or sub reports the presence of a light cruiser and six destroyers, instead of the real escort of a torpedo boat and a few subchasers. The Allied DDs decide to stay away. Fog banks, showers... all that kind of stuff happened all the time! Frustrating, but not unrealistic.

durnedwolf -> RE: May 25th, 1943 (8/16/2019 12:55:41 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Anachro It happened...again. quote: Day Time Surface Combat, near Trincomalee at 34,53, Range 29,000 Yards Japanese Ships PB Choko Maru #2 xAK Kinsyo Maru xAP Hakone Maru Allied Ships DD Gwin DD Monssen DD Pakenham DD Panther DD Redoubt Maximum visibility in Partly Cloudy Conditions: 28,000 yards Range closes to 27,000 yards... CONTACT: Japanese lookouts spot Allied task force at 27,000 yards Japanese TF attempts to evade combat Range increases to 28,000 yards... Range increases to 29,000 yards... Range increases to 29,000 yards... Japanese Escort TF evades combat Japanese spotted allies... Japanese ships ran. The allied ships never saw them.

Anachro -> RE: May 25th, 1943 (8/16/2019 2:15:35 PM)
Will give update later. All signs point to John reinforcing the DEI. Another division is reinforcing Horn island, which is strange, but fine by me. I have been moving forces over land (1600 AV) up towards Darwin to distract John and make him shift assets there. Sigint also states another division is headed to reinforce Darwin. Meanwhile, I will soon be conducting my own Cartwheel with landings and OBSCURED FOR OPSEC REASONS. This will eventually be followed by OBSCURED FOR OPSEC REASONS. A carrier force was seen only a few days ago in the straits heading to Singers, so John's carriers don't seem to be concentrated. However, BB Musashi and Yamato are still in the area, last seen northwest of Horn Island, closer to Taberfane. May 31st quote: Sub attack near Langsa at 46,72 Japanese Ships xAP Takatiho Maru, Torpedo hits 3, on fire, heavy damage Allied Ships SS O23 Japanese ground losses: 24 casualties reported Squads: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled Non Combat: 1 destroyed, 0 disabled Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled xAP Takatiho Maru is sighted by SS O23 SS O23 launches 4 torpedoes at xAP Takatiho Maru quote: ASW attack near Taberfane at 82,119 Japanese Ships BB Musashi BB Yamato DD Oboro DD Ayanami DD Karakaze DD Shimakaze DD Fumizuki DD Ushio Allied Ships SS Monge SS Monge is sighted by escort DD Karakaze fails to find sub and abandons search DD Shimakaze fails to find sub and abandons search DD Fumizuki fails to find sub and abandons search DD Ushio fails to find sub, continues to search... Escort abandons search for sub quote: 6/67th Division is loaded on xAK Hiyoshi Maru moving to Horn Island. 67th Division is loaded on xAP Teikyo Maru moving to Horn Island.

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