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Dili -> What happened in the night before Prince of Wales, Repulse demise (7/1/2018 9:27:38 AM)

An interesting information that dismisses the possibility of a night clash between main IJN body and PW, Repulse TF.

https://www.tapatalk.com/groups/warships1discussionboards/clarification-on-force-z-and-ijn-units-dec-9-1941-t36642.html



RangerJoe -> RE: What happened in the night before Prince of Wales, Repulse demise (7/2/2018 1:52:27 AM)

Thank you. I think that it is interesting but it does not explain why Force Z was so close to Indochina when sailing up the coast of Malaya could have been so much better.

"Poor visibility meant that the reconnaissance flights lost sight of the invasion force until 17.30 on December 7th when it became clear that Singora was a target. The Japanese III Air Group soon took control of the air base at Singora and used it as a base to attack the RAF in northern Malaya. By the evening of December 8th, the RAF had lost 60 of its 110 aircraft.

Shortly after midnight on December 8th, men from the 8th Indian Infantry Brigade, based at Kota Bharu, were shelled by the Japanese Navy, which was covering an amphibious landing by Japanese infantry. The attack on Malaya had begun and the RAF was ordered into action."

https://www.historylearningsite.co.uk/world-war-two/the-pacific-war-1941-to-1945/the-attack-on-malaya-by-japan/



Dili -> RE: What happened in the night before Prince of Wales, Repulse demise (7/2/2018 9:30:27 AM)

Good question, did Philips had that information?



RangerJoe -> RE: What happened in the night before Prince of Wales, Repulse demise (7/2/2018 12:10:38 PM)

Phillips was in Manilla on December 6th:

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Despite the bad weather, Japanese luck broke on December 6 when an RAAF Hudson sighted the convoy; but after the initial report, it was lost again in the storm. A Royal Navy PBY from 205 Squadron at Singapore again picked up the convoy at noon the following day. This time the Japanese CAP was ready and the PBY only managed a quick position report before five Ki-27 "Nates" from the 1st Sentai shot it down. It was the first act of the Pacific War.

A USN officer brought Hart and Phillips the initial contact report. It confirmed that the Japanese convoy - first reported as three ships - was moving south. This figure was later revised to 27 transports, escorted by a battleship (actually Chokai), five cruisers and seven destroyers. Its position was well south of Saigon with a course to the west. The only destination could be Siam or Malaya.


http://www.netherlandsnavy.nl/Special_forcez.htm

He knew and he never requested air support.

Also the Catalina which sent that contact report was shot down by Nates so the UK should have been alert.

That link also describes how Force z was going to be augmented - it would have been a powerful surface force.



Arnhem44 -> RE: What happened in the night before Prince of Wales, Repulse demise (7/10/2018 3:33:23 PM)


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ORIGINAL: RangerJoe

Thank you. I think that it is interesting but it does not explain why Force Z was so close to Indochina when sailing up the coast of Malaya could have been so much better.



The reason why Force Z swung out so far out to the east before moving north instead of paralleling the coast was because of concerns that the body of water between the peninsula and the Anamba islands were mined and actively patrolled by Japanese submarines.

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rustysi -> RE: What happened in the night before Prince of Wales, Repulse demise (7/11/2018 5:47:46 PM)

+1



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