hasler -> RE: Question on AC damage (7/3/2018 5:37:17 PM)
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ORIGINAL: Dimitris hasler < Hi, are you referring to evading missile attacks or surviving after missile impacts? I am referring to survival after missile impact. The Mig-31 engagement is the most odd, as it took 4 AIM-9 hits and was still able to win the fight against the F-16 chasing it. With the Amraam so far I have not dropped a single SU-27 with one missile hit. These are the two Aircraft I have noticed this with. Very few Mig-29s have survived an AIM-9 hit, and none have survived an AIM-120. The Same goes for Mig-23s and SU-24s. Have I just been very unlucky with near-miss modeling where the AC took some shrapnel damage but was on the outer edge of the radius? Weapons used that I noted this on are AIM-120A on F-15Cs, and AIM-9L on Norwegian F-16As. I have not closed to AIM-9M range with the F-15C yet to see if those preform any different. Edit: After checking the Database viewer I notice something very odd. The Database lists the AIM-9 series as having warhead 414 and putting out 1.26 DP. It also notes it has a 9.4kg warhead but seems to only give credit for 3.6kg? Now for comparison sake I check the R-73 which has a smaller warhead and it does 2.62 DP and is listed as a full 7.4g. (warhead 282) The Amraam warhead 284 is only given 2.7 DP which is basically the same destructive potential of an R-73 at three times the size. I compared it to an R-77(warhead 660) which does 7.87 DP. So what is going on here? Is the Database viewer wrong, am i misinterpreting the warhead data, or are Nato missiles really doing half the damage of their Russian counterparts? Here is a an excerpt showing the normal course of the engagements: 9:16:50 PM - 9:16:50 PM - Contact Su-27S Flanker B #2177 has been lost. 9:16:43 PM - 9:16:43 PM - Gun (20mm/85 M61A1 Vulcan Burst [100 rnds]) is attacking Tiger #21 with a base-Ph of 70%. Base-Ph adjusted for distance: 35%. Tiger #21 has nominal agility: 4.5, adjusted for altitude: 1.7. Agility adjusted for proficiency (Regular): 1.36. Aircraft has a weight fraction of 0.19 - Agility adjusted to 1.2. Aircraft has 22.8% fuselage/structural damage - Agility adjusted to 0.93. Agility adjusted for tail-on impact effect: 0.5. Final agility modifier: -5%. Final Ph: 30%. Result: 29 - HIT 9:16:41 PM - 9:16:41 PM - Weapon: AIM-9L Sidewinder #13615 is attacking Tiger #21 (Su-27S Flanker B) with a base PH of 85%. Final PH: 85%. Result: 30 - HIT 9:16:40 PM - 9:16:40 PM - Event: 'Kiev Passive Sonar' has been fired. 9:16:40 PM - 9:16:40 PM - Event: 'Baku Passive Sonar' has been fired. 9:16:40 PM - 9:16:40 PM - Event: 'Kuz Passive Sonar' has been fired. 9:16:38 PM - 9:16:38 PM - Weapon: AIM-9L Sidewinder #13613 is attacking Tiger #21 (Su-27S Flanker B) with a base PH of 85%. Tiger #21 has nominal agility: 4.5, adjusted for altitude: 2.3. Agility adjusted for proficiency (Regular): 1.84. Aircraft has a weight fraction of 0.19 - Agility adjusted to 1.63. Aircraft has 12.1% fuselage/structural damage - Agility adjusted to 1.43. Agility adjusted for rear-oblique impact effect: 1.2. Final agility modifier: -12%. Final PH: 73%. Result: 95 - MISS 9:16:38 PM - 9:16:38 PM - Decoy (Generic Flare Salvo [4x Cartridges, Single Spectral]; Tech: Single-spectral IR) from Tiger #21 is attempting to seduce sensor: IR Seeker (Tech: Dual-spectral IR)(Guiding weapon: AIM-9L Sidewinder #13613). Final probability: 10%. Result: 94 - FAILURE 9:16:32 PM - 9:16:32 PM - Weapon: AIM-9L Sidewinder #13612 is attacking Tiger #21 (Su-27S Flanker B) with a base PH of 85%. Tiger #21 has nominal agility: 4.5, adjusted for altitude: 1.7. Agility adjusted for proficiency (Regular): 1.36. Aircraft has a weight fraction of 0.2 - Agility adjusted to 1.2. Agility adjusted for rear-oblique impact effect: 1. Final agility modifier: -10%. Final PH: 75%. Result: 21 - HIT 9:16:32 PM - 9:16:32 PM - Decoy (Generic Flare Salvo [4x Cartridges, Single Spectral]; Tech: Single-spectral IR) from Tiger #21 is attempting to seduce sensor: IR Seeker (Tech: Dual-spectral IR)(Guiding weapon: AIM-9L Sidewinder #13612). Final probability: 10%. Result: 32 - FAILURE You can clearly see the SU-27 takes two hits and has to be gunned down and was only at 22.8% damage after two expanding rod warheads ripped through it.
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