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MarcA -> I admit defeat (8/24/2018 10:06:08 PM)

The Windows 10 Falls update killed WitP for me last year.

I have tried every suggestion on the forum and more besides but nothing works. I either have graphic issues or a response time which makes the game impossible to play.

I had hoped matrix might take time to update the game but it that doesn't look likely. So I am waving a white flag and moving on.

I do feel a little disappointed that the best game I have ever owned and one I have spent so much time playing had to end in such a way, but there is no point moaning about it. So it's time to move on and find an alternative.

Can anyone suggest a game of similar epic scope and scale at the divisional/operational level?






Canoerebel -> RE: I admit defeat (8/24/2018 10:40:06 PM)

Many players here figured out to play with Windows 10. Heck, I figured it out. If I did it, any living human being can. I'd figure it out rather than moving on.



MarcA -> RE: I admit defeat (8/24/2018 10:53:34 PM)

I have spent about 10 hours on it. I have tried every variation of display settings, command line switches, windowed and non-windowed modes and compatability settings. Maybe there is a way but whatever it is I can't find it.

As I say, I either have graphics glitches or unacceptable delays.



Bullwinkle58 -> RE: I admit defeat (8/24/2018 11:04:23 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: MarcA

I have spent about 10 hours on it. I have tried every variation of display settings, command line switches, windowed and non-windowed modes and compatability settings. Maybe there is a way but whatever it is I can't find it.

As I say, I either have graphics glitches or unacceptable delays.



I have never heard of a delay problem that can't be solved with the switches. Graphics can be more difficult, but there are real, pro IT guys here who can help if you post your specs. There have been dozens of Win 10 threads, and I don't know of anyone who could not be fixed.

To your other question, there is no commercial PC wargame of similar scope and detail.



Dili -> RE: I admit defeat (8/24/2018 11:23:52 PM)

Do you need Windows 10? i have 10, 7 and Linux Mint and 10 would be the last of those i would choose. Of course with hardware advances only 10 will remain for Windows.



Anachro -> RE: I admit defeat (8/24/2018 11:24:26 PM)

-dd_sw fixes the game running very slow I believe. I run the game in win10. Below are my triggers:

quote:

-altFont -archive -deepColor -f -px1920 -py1080 -skipVideo -SingleCpuOrders -dd_sw



MarcA -> RE: I admit defeat (8/24/2018 11:40:09 PM)

For reasons beyond my control I need 10, but a dual boot with Linux may not be beyond possibility.



MarcA -> RE: I admit defeat (8/24/2018 11:43:25 PM)

Thanks for that but I have tried it. As I say I have tried just about everything. Where computers are concerned I am not a pro but I am certainly a compotent amateur.




pmelheck1 -> RE: I admit defeat (8/25/2018 12:14:00 AM)

-deepColor worked for me fixed the long delay issue and it must be spelled exact small d capital C. I and many others run 10 but I wonder if it might be video card. I also have to hide the task bar as it makes the desk top pop at random in the game and messes with the graphics



MakeeLearn -> RE: I admit defeat (8/25/2018 12:35:15 AM)

Solve this first:
quote:

response time



Then this:
quote:

graphic issues

As this may have to be solved outside of the game. Graphics driver, settings, etc.

Post pics.
Even the most Computer Pro can overlook the simplest error.



BillBrown -> RE: I admit defeat (8/25/2018 2:07:34 AM)

I realize that you have tried a lot. I do not have Windows 10 but 7. I have two shortcuts for each game I play, one that runs in full screen for the combat Replay and one in a windowed mode to input orders.
i have found that switches needed for one are not always the best one for the second one.



Anachro -> RE: I admit defeat (8/25/2018 3:05:10 AM)

I forgot to add that this was actually the most important advice for solving my Win 10 issues:

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ORIGINAL: pws1225

Just a quick note on my experience upgrading from Windows 7 to Windows 10. I had many of the same issues described by other posters in this thread and tried many of the same solutions but still had sluggish performance when I could get the game to run at all. I finally tried running the compatibility mode diagnostic which fixed all my problems.

Here is what I did:
1 - Right click the game icon and select the "Troubleshoot Compatibility"
2 - Select "Troubleshoot program"
3 - Select BOTH the "Program worked in earlier versions of Windows ..." AND the "Program opens but doesn't display correctly" symptoms then click Next
4 - The Troubleshoot Compatibility diagnostic will ask which version of Windows you are upgrading from. I selected Windows 7 then clicked Next.
5 - Test run the game using the button provided by the Troubleshoot Compatibility then exit the game.
6 - Select "Save Settings".

After doing this, the game runs just as it did under Windows 7.

And FWIW, here are the command line switches that I use:
"F:\Matrix Games - Todd PBEM\War in the Pacific Admiral's Edition\War in the Pacific Admiral Edition.exe" -f -px1280 -py1024 -altFont -skipVideo -dd_sw -archive -SingleCpuOrders -deepColor

I hope this helps,
Regards, Paul



Chickenboy -> RE: I admit defeat (8/25/2018 3:22:28 AM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: Canoerebel

Heck, I figured it out. If I did it, any living human being can. I'd figure it out rather than moving on.


Ditto this. So long as you've got two brain cells to rub together, if CR can do it, you can too.

Seriously-I'm no technophile, but-with the help of the forumites that do this sort of thing-I was able to find the right switches to make Win10 quite stable.



Yaab -> RE: I admit defeat (8/25/2018 4:38:45 AM)

Interrogating Bill Gates

- That kind of reminds me of how I knew Einstein back when I was just a kid, and I would go to his apartment and dude had a green bean bag...
- I wish that was right.
-... and he had this deal where you could also make all the chocolate milk you liked, you know. I can tell you what Einstein would have said about Win10: horse manure pile.
- Umm, that's cool.
- Turd satchel. Remember, those are Einstein's words."



BBfanboy -> RE: I admit defeat (8/25/2018 5:58:46 AM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: MarcA

The Windows 10 Falls update killed WitP for me last year.

I have tried every suggestion on the forum and more besides but nothing works. I either have graphic issues or a response time which makes the game impossible to play.

I had hoped matrix might take time to update the game but it that doesn't look likely. So I am waving a white flag and moving on.

I do feel a little disappointed that the best game I have ever owned and one I have spent so much time playing had to end in such a way, but there is no point moaning about it. So it's time to move on and find an alternative.

Can anyone suggest a game of similar epic scope and scale at the divisional/operational level?


You say WitP, not WitP-AE. There is a big difference in the games. Most switches will not work with the former, older game.



Lowpe -> RE: I admit defeat (8/25/2018 11:49:54 AM)

I would highly recommend a dual boot with Linux or a basic linux box...pick your OS -- I have gotten it to run under all of the most popular distros. Fair warning though, currently on new installations the sound is broken (bad link to a part of windows media player). PlayonLinux v5 is being worked on and will most likely solve the problem. The opening animation never worked period (saves you from having to use the skipvideo switch).[;)]

My flavor of choice currently is MX (in the top 10 over the last year).

Anyhow, a big benefit of dual booting is using the internet is a joy again. Lightning fast, no edge, no cortana, no hardly controllable update programs, no 100% disk usage, no 100% cpu usage. I have never had a virus in linux. I know there are workarounds for all that (and I have used them) but why bother?

For $22 you can buy a 120gb SSD, plug her in, install any of the top 10 distros and be back to playing WITP AE. Or you can salvage pretty much any old hard drive you might have laying around.

My thoughts. It would take me about 30 minutes to accomplish this.

Having said all that, I run Windows 10 on 7 machines in the house and there isn't an operating system that can run witp ae faster including Windows 7 which we still run on one laptop. But constant updates can play hell with your performance in the short term as you have experienced.[:(]



inqistor -> RE: I admit defeat (8/25/2018 2:18:11 PM)

I'm pretty sure, you can have several versions of WINDOWS on one machine (well, at least you could with XP).

Once I switched from full screen, I had no problem with graphics, and click response time had some weird solution, which had nothing to do with display, or CPU. I think it was actually -multiaudio.

Does anyone tried to run WitPAE in compatibility mode?



rustysi -> RE: I admit defeat (8/25/2018 7:05:58 PM)

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no 100% cpu usage.


Is solved by defining a power profile within Windows.



rustysi -> RE: I admit defeat (8/25/2018 7:22:05 PM)

Marc,

I don't know how computer savvy you are, but keep in mind that it is possible to select the wrong 'dash' before the switch term. If you do the switch will not apply. I remember reading it here a long time ago, but don't recall the circumstances. Myself, I have no need for switches on my current rig, so I remain ignorant about the best configuration.

If you admit defeat as you say, be prepared to miss out on the most complete, challenging, and frustrating[:D] game in the history of the hobby.

At worst take a step back, then jump in again in a few days. Or see if you can find a knowledgeable friend who might assist you. Maybe even his little brother, or son.[:D] Hey, don't laugh, I have a friend whose kid knows more than the two of us put together. Problem is, now that he moved out its a little difficult to get in touch with the young man.[:D]



Bearcat2 -> RE: I admit defeat (8/25/2018 9:16:48 PM)

I have Win10, could you post your shortcut?

The shortcut is to the WitP execute file, not the start menu

As an example: "C:\Matrix Games\War in the Pacific Admiral's Edition\War in the Pacific Admiral Edition.exe" -deepColor -dd_sw



I can get several switches to work; but none work without the switch: -deepColor





MarcA -> RE: I admit defeat (8/26/2018 7:48:41 AM)

Thanks for all the replies folks.

I meant AE, though I have played both since the original WitP was released.

It's not the command line switches, I know how to use them and I have tried all relevant combinations and I have tried mixing it with different compatibility modes as well.

The dual boot sounds like the most promising route. I used to use Damn Small Linux many years ago but I expect things have mmoved on a lot since then. Can anyone recommend a good free version of Linux.

Once again thanks for the help.



Lowpe -> RE: I admit defeat (8/26/2018 11:08:23 AM)

Hard to go wrong with any of the top 5. Youtube is full of 15-30 minute reviews of each, and they all have a little different interface/feel/. Elementary has a distinctly apple feel for example.

I currently use MX as a daily driver, for about the last 2 years. Before that it was Manjaro, then Mint and her babies and I started with Ubuntu and Zorin back in dialup days. WITP AE runs fine on them all.

You can go to distrowatch.com and read about them all.







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dasboot1960 -> RE: I admit defeat (8/26/2018 1:50:52 PM)

This may be waaay out of line PoW, but are you sure you are using the switches on the correct shortcut? They only work on the one that immediately starts the game; not the one that starts the menu where yhe update and manual options are. If this sounds like personal experience, welllll



MakeeLearn -> RE: I admit defeat (8/26/2018 2:35:56 PM)

We could consult the Oracle.

[image]local://upfiles/55056/C1FF01EB71C64FFCAE4A1EEF47FFCB97.jpg[/image]


Or...not as fun but quicker... if you could meet us half way and provide some evidence of "graphic issues" and your settings.

The response time will be solved within WitPAE.

The graphic issues are probably coming from outside of WitPAE, with some influence from the switches.

I've seen the taskbar settings, and the screensaver(especially the slideshow) causing problems for people.

Or meld with a different OS




Timotheus -> RE: I admit defeat (8/26/2018 10:02:11 PM)

No way, there is a "magic" set of switches that WILL make this game run for you.

I tried everything and finally I have hit upon my own "magic" set of extensions (not windows 10, though, but might work for you anyway).

"C:\Matrix Games\War in the Pacific Admiral's Edition\Beta2\War in the Pacific Admiral Edition.exe" -fd -dd_sw -deepColor -fixedArt -SingleCpuOrders -altFont -skipVideo -px1024 -py0768

Try lowering your screen resolution to 1024 by 768.

If all else fails, the simplest next action to do is to install VM - VIRTUAL MACHINE on your PC.
It is a VERY simple thing to do and then WITPAE will run on Win XP [:D]


Keep in mind that people do have Win 10 and WITPAE DOES work for them - and it WILL for you.


One last thing - I found out that I can only run 1 turn per session. The next turn the game becomes sluggish, map scrolling is sloooooooooow, game hangs when reporting a battle....

But for 1 turn per session, WITPAE works great for me. So do my planning, run my turn, [edit: don't forget to SAVE!!! [:-] ], quit, restart....
The joy of an ancient game engine [:D]



MakeeLearn -> RE: I admit defeat (8/26/2018 10:20:27 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: Timotheus

No way, there is a "magic" set of switches that WILL make this game run for you.

I tried everything and finally I have hit upon my own "magic" set of extensions (not windows 10, though, but might work for you anyway).

"C:\Matrix Games\War in the Pacific Admiral's Edition\Beta2\War in the Pacific Admiral Edition.exe" -fd -dd_sw -deepColor -fixedArt -SingleCpuOrders -altFont -skipVideo -px1024 -py0768

Try lowering your screen resolution to 1024 by 768.

If all else fails, the simplest next action to do is to install VM - VIRTUAL MACHINE on your PC.
It is a VERY simple thing to do and then WITPAE will run on Win XP [:D]


Keep in mind that people do have Win 10 and WITPAE DOES work for them - and it WILL for you.


One last thing - I found out that I can only run 1 turn per session. The next turn the game becomes sluggish, map scrolling is sloooooooooow, game hangs when reporting a battle....

But for 1 turn per session, WITPAE works great for me. So do my planning, run my turn, [edit: don't forget to SAVE!!! [:-] ], quit, restart....
The joy of an ancient game engine [:D]



Try a numbered -cpu# command like -cpu2 with the -SingleCpuOrders. I found that if I run one without the other I get sluggish sequential turns after turn 1 or sluggish graphics. I forget which causes which. When used together, a lot more responsive input and graphics.

"C:\Matrix Games\War in the Pacific Admiral's Edition\Beta2\War in the Pacific Admiral Edition.exe" -SingleCpuOrders -cpu2 -deepColor -dd_sw -altFont



Timotheus -> RE: I admit defeat (8/26/2018 10:31:03 PM)

At this point I am almost afraid to touch it [:D]

Thanks Makee, I will make ANOTHER shortcut and do that.
NEVER touching the shortcut that works, NEVER [8D]



Timotheus -> RE: I admit defeat (8/27/2018 12:09:30 AM)

@Makee...

Nope, did not work. Bad juju, 1st turn works great, subsequent turns extremely sluggish.

WITPAE is magic, it is not logic [:D]



pontiouspilot -> RE: I admit defeat (8/27/2018 7:04:06 PM)

Not exactly Churcillian of you to admit defeat.....why not call at computer shop or pawn shop and by a cheap old computer with pre-W10 software? I'm guessing the issues are more with your computer than the game. Even a Ludite like me managed to move into W10 without hideous problems.



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