RE: Always with them negative waves... Aaffins/Cheesesteak v. RADM Yamaguchi

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Zorch -> RE: Always with them negative waves... Aaffins/Cheesesteak v. RADM Yamaguchi (10/28/2019 3:25:38 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Bif1961 Is that a bunch of refs fighting? They've got it all wrong! Players fight and refs break them up.

jdsrae -> RE: Always with them negative waves... Aaffins/Cheesesteak v. RADM Yamaguchi (10/28/2019 7:15:11 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Zorch quote: ORIGINAL: Bif1961 Is that a bunch of refs fighting? They've got it all wrong! Players fight and refs break them up. That’s team “mates” fighting each other. Newcastle had three players sent off that day... Apparently Dyer said to Bowyer “you’re Fn S$!t” to which Bowyer took exception!

aaffins -> RE: Always with them negative waves... Aaffins/Cheesesteak v. RADM Yamaguchi (11/5/2019 2:54:55 AM)
Had a bit of a delay while our opponent was on vacation combined with shoddy attention to our AAR. Our deepest apologies, dear readers. Last update, prior to Cheesesteak's ranting about supplies, was that a big IJN force was bearing down on NZ as the calendar turned to March. 3/2 - That force turned to be a massive raid. Five TFs - 3 big bombardment TFs covered by the KB. The following big boys rolled right up to Auckland and let fly, each quartet was an individual TF with DD escorts: BB Kongo BB Haruna BB Hiei BB Kirishima CA Takao CA Atago CA Maya CA Chokai CA Kumano CA Suzuya CA Mikuma CA Mogami Damage was significant, but we had evacuated the airfield and port so we only lost a few minelayers trying to get a minefield layed out before he showed up and the AP Henderson got hit by a sub fleeing. Our PTs also ran into the KB, giving us a good idea of the composition, shockingly light escort IMO: CV Hiryu CV Soryu CV Shokaku CV Zuikaku CA Tone CA Chikuma DD Hibiki DD Shikinami DD Ayanami DD Asagiri DD Tachekaze Unfortunately, I did a poor job routing some of the escaping TFs and we lost the following valuable ships to airstrikes: AG Argonne, Torpedo hits 4, and is sunk AG Sirius, Torpedo hits 4, and is sunk AKE Exmoor, Torpedo hits 1, and is sunk AP Hugh L. Scott, Torpedo hits 2, on fire, heavy damage xAP Matua, Torpedo hits 2, and is sunk xAK Salamaua, Torpedo hits 3, and is sunk AD Dobbin, Bomb hits 1, on fire AV Wright, Bomb hits 5, and is sunk AS Fulton, Bomb hits 4, heavy fires, heavy damage AR Vestal, Bomb hits 3, heavy fires DD O'Brien, Torpedo hits 1, on fire, heavy damage For some reason, he seems to have made an error with his orders, the KB is still in the Auckland hex with the incredibly light escort while all the heavies have withdrawn and are 8+ hexes away to the North. We don't have a ton in the area, but that's too valuable a target not to try for. Elsewhere, 3 USN BBs bombard Adak, doing light to moderate damage, but mainly just serving as a nuisance. In China an ill advised cross river attack and Nanchang results in a thrashing of the IJA 39th Inf Div and a big attack at Singyang goes 1:2 and results in 170+ disabled/destroyed squads.

CaptBeefheart -> RE: Always with them negative waves... Aaffins/Cheesesteak v. RADM Yamaguchi (11/5/2019 4:30:27 AM)
Although a carrier strike makes some sense -- he got some decent ships, after all -- I'm not sure about the shore bombardment at Auckland. Anyway, if he lands eventually, you'll get some goodies. Cheers, CB

Cheesesteak -> RE: Always with them negative waves... Aaffins/Cheesesteak v. RADM Yamaguchi (11/5/2019 4:25:05 PM)
Going to attempt an update from my mobile (bc apparently I'm a masochist). The CVs at Auckland created all sorts of confusion. Yamaguchi stated this was an error and I believe him. Unfortunately we weren't exactly in a position to assure he would pay. As Fins mentioned, he brought quite the entourage, so we had prepared for Auckland to get cratered. Several small DD and two CL TFs were created and routed to intercept. They would either be hitting big ships low on ammo or take a shot at the CVs. Meanwhile, several thousand miles away, an operation alluded to earlier was underway. 'Hold my Beer' recieved the go-ahead. The Yorktown, Lexington, and Saratoga turned N-NW away from a failed interdiction at Darwin.

Cheesesteak -> RE: Always with them negative waves... Aaffins/Cheesesteak v. RADM Yamaguchi (11/5/2019 5:56:28 PM)
In addition to the smaller SCTFs sent on full-speed intercepts, BBs Warspite and Mississippi happened to be 15 hexes West/~2 hexes South of Auckland. Detached the slower lady and sent HMS Warspite with 4 DDs the circuitous-but-safe route by Wellington. Clearing the area, diverting transport TFs, and several tweaks were made. In all, Fins and I spent about 2 additional hours micro-managing the reaction.

Cheesesteak -> RE: Always with them negative waves... Aaffins/Cheesesteak v. RADM Yamaguchi (11/5/2019 5:59:10 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Cheesesteak In addition to the smaller SCTFs sent on full-speed intercepts, BBs Warspite and Mississippi happened to be 15 hexes West/~2 hexes South of Auckland. Detached the slower lady and sent HMS Warspite with 4 DDs the circuitous-but-safe route by Wellington. Clearing the area, diverting transport TFs, and several tweaks were made. In all, Fins and I spent about 2 additional hours micro-managing the reaction. Our hopes, oddly enough, rested in large part on a single PT boat one hex off Auckland. PT-37 or somesuch ship was ordered to ram into the KB at all cost and hopefully disrupt their escape vectoring. We gave ourselves a 50% chance of seeing CVs on the combat report, 15% chances of putting a shell on them.

Cheesesteak -> RE: Always with them negative waves... Aaffins/Cheesesteak v. RADM Yamaguchi (11/5/2019 6:00:02 PM)
And it was all for nothing. He dodged us and made good his escape. Likely a full speed run to the East. Root Cause Analysis: Gregg sucks at routing SCTFs

Cheesesteak -> RE: Always with them negative waves... Aaffins/Cheesesteak v. RADM Yamaguchi (11/5/2019 6:59:38 PM)
If luck is when opportunity meets preparation, we failed to prepare properly. Will try to pull lessons learned from this, but I don't think we can plan for him to plop his carriers in a major Allied port anytime soon. Maybe he will overcompensate on his next major bombardment or invasion? Maybe he will be meticulous and airtight as a result. For all the hiccups a PBEM can entail, unpredictable stuff like this makes it worthwhile.

Cheesesteak -> RE: Always with them negative waves... Aaffins/Cheesesteak v. RADM Yamaguchi (11/5/2019 7:04:36 PM)
AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR Mar 03, 42 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ASW attack near Soc Trang at 60,78 Japanese Ships hello friends, what are you doing here? DD Kamikaze CA Kinugasa CL Naka DD Matsukaze DD Harukaze Allied Ships SS Skipjack SS Skipjack launches 2 torpedoes at DD Kamikaze Skipjack bottoming out .... DD Matsukaze fails to find sub and abandons search DD Harukaze fails to find sub, continues to search... DD Harukaze fails to find sub, continues to search... DD Harukaze fails to find sub, continues to search... DD Harukaze fails to find sub, continues to search... DD Harukaze fails to find sub, continues to search... Escort abandons search for sub Amphibious Assault at Tacloban (81,85) TF 191 troops unloading over beach at Tacloban, 81,85 Japanese ground losses: 19 casualties reported Squads: 1 destroyed, 0 disabled Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled 17 troops of a SNLF Squad lost from landing craft during unload of 15th Nav Gd /2 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- TF 27 encounters mine field at Pegu (55,53) Japanese Ships DMS W-8 DMS W-6 DMS W-5 DMS W-4 DMS W-3 DMS W-2 DMS W-1 33 mines cleared -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Day Time Surface Combat, near Kabara at 137,164, Range 20,000 Yards Japanese Ships silly hobbits to climb so far! PB Kiso Maru, Shell hits 16, and is sunk PB Kohuku Maru, Shell hits 28, and is sunk PB Myoken Maru, Shell hits 21, and is sunk PB Nanpo Maru, Shell hits 24, and is sunk Allied Ships CL Honolulu DD Dunlap DD Fanning DD Mahan Japanese ground losses: 464 casualties reported Squads: 37 destroyed, 15 disabled Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled Guns lost 11 (6 destroyed, 5 disabled) Day Time Surface Combat, near Broome at 62,127, Range 20,000 Yards Japanese Ships APD Kiku APD Tade Allied Ships There's only two things I hate in this world. People who are intolerant of other people's cultures and the Dutch.' CL Java DD Banckert DD Van Nes DD Witte de With DD Evertsen Maximum visibility in Partly Cloudy Conditions: 28,000 yards CONTACT: Japanese lookouts spot Allied task force at 20,000 yards Japanese TF attempts to evade combat Range increases to 21,000 yards... CONTACT: Allied lookouts spot Japanese task force at 21,000 yards Range increases to 21,000 yards... Japanese Fast Transport TF evades combat Afternoon Air attack on TF, near Broome at 62,127 Weather in hex: Severe storms Raid spotted at 24 NM, estimated altitude 3,000 feet. Estimated time to target is 9 minutes Japanese aircraft G3M2 Nell x 24 G4M1 Betty x 18 Japanese aircraft losses G3M2 Nell: 4 damaged G3M2 Nell: 1 destroyed by flak G4M1 Betty: 3 damaged Allied Ships CL Java DD Evertsen DD Van Nes DD Banckert Aircraft Attacking: 24 x G3M2 Nell launching torpedoes at 200 feet Naval Attack: 1 x 18in Type 91 Torpedo 6 x G4M1 Betty bombing from 1000 feet Naval Attack: 2 x 250 kg SAP Bomb, 4 x 60 kg GP Bomb 3 x G4M1 Betty launching torpedoes at 200 feet Naval Attack: 1 x 18in Type 91 Torpedo 9 x G4M1 Betty launching torpedoes at 200 feet Naval Attack: 1 x 18in Type 91 Torpedo Ground combat at Soerabaja (56,104) Japanese Deliberate attack Attacking force 54381 troops, 524 guns, 186 vehicles, Assault Value = 1816 Defending force 11839 troops, 102 guns, 49 vehicles, Assault Value = 266 Japanese engineers reduce fortifications to 2 Japanese adjusted assault: 1063 Allied adjusted defense: 135 Japanese assault odds: 7 to 1 (fort level 2) Japanese forces CAPTURE Soerabaja !!! Allied aircraft no flights Allied aircraft losses 139WH-3: 7 destroyed B-339D: 3 destroyed CW-22 Falcon: 1 destroyed Do-24K-1: 3 destroyed T.IVa: 1 destroyed Combat modifiers Defender: experience(-) Attacker: Japanese ground losses: 617 casualties reported Squads: 2 destroyed, 102 disabled Non Combat: 1 destroyed, 8 disabled Engineers: 2 destroyed, 13 disabled Guns lost 17 (1 destroyed, 16 disabled) Allied ground losses: 5837 casualties reported Squads: 97 destroyed, 38 disabled Non Combat: 304 destroyed, 76 disabled Engineers: 51 destroyed, 7 disabled Guns lost 85 (80 destroyed, 5 disabled) Vehicles lost 51 (50 destroyed, 1 disabled) Units retreated 10 Units destroyed 3 Assaulting units: 144th Infantry Regiment 143rd Infantry Regiment 2nd Division Imperial Guards Division 38th Division 124th Infantry Regiment 4th Ind.Mixed Regiment 1st Ind. Engineer Regiment 17th Medium Field Artillery Regiment Defending units: Lijfwacht Cav Sqn 3rd KNIL Landstorm Battalion Tjilatjap KNIL Battalion Artilleriecommando Coastal Gun Battalion 2nd KNIL Landstorm Battalion Marinier Battalion Loemafjang Base Force Commandement Marine MLD 2 ML-KNIL Aviation 3rd KNIL AA Battalion North Java Base Force Soerabaja Base Force Ground combat at Tawi Tawi (72,90) Japanese Deliberate attack Attacking force 39 troops, 0 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 2 Defending force 0 troops, 0 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 0 Japanese adjusted assault: 2 Allied adjusted defense: 1 Japanese assault odds: 2 to 1 (fort level 0) Japanese forces CAPTURE Tawi Tawi !!! Combat modifiers Attacker: leaders(+), leaders(-), supply(-) Assaulting units: Yokosuka 3rd SNLF /12

Cheesesteak -> RE: Always with them negative waves... Aaffins/Cheesesteak v. RADM Yamaguchi (11/5/2019 7:07:17 PM)
A few turns pass, HMB proceeds unnoticed

Cheesesteak -> RE: Always with them negative waves... Aaffins/Cheesesteak v. RADM Yamaguchi (11/5/2019 7:13:42 PM)
March 8th, 1942 Air Raid Report. ASDFJAKSDFJAWERKGJARGJ. Could I get Castor Troy in here to come guest-rant about how frustrating this was to watch?!?! Morning Air attack on 25th Chinese Corps, at 79,57 (Kukong) Weather in hex: Light rain Raid spotted at 39 NM, estimated altitude 4,000 feet. Estimated time to target is 12 minutes Japanese aircraft Ki-30 Ann x 4 Ki-36 Ida x 3 Ki-48-Ib Lily x 29 Japanese aircraft losses Ki-30 Ann: 1 damaged Ki-48-Ib Lily: 4 damaged Allied ground losses: 13 casualties reported Squads: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 2 disabled Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled Aircraft Attacking: 20 x Ki-48-Ib Lily bombing from 1000 feet Ground Attack: 2 x 100 kg GP Bomb 9 x Ki-48-Ib Lily bombing from 1000 feet Ground Attack: 2 x 100 kg GP Bomb 3 x Ki-36 Ida bombing from 1000 feet Ground Attack: 2 x 30 kg GP Bomb 4 x Ki-30 Ann bombing from 1000 feet Ground Attack: 1 x 250 kg GP Bomb -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Morning Air attack on 25th Chinese Corps, at 79,57 (Kukong) Weather in hex: Light rain Raid spotted at 39 NM, estimated altitude 4,000 feet. Estimated time to target is 12 minutes Japanese aircraft Ki-27b Nate x 9 Ki-30 Ann x 11 Ki-36 Ida x 9 Ki-51 Sonia x 26 Japanese aircraft losses Ki-30 Ann: 2 damaged Allied ground losses: 45 casualties reported Squads: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 8 disabled Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled Aircraft Attacking: 9 x Ki-27b Nate bombing from 100 feet Ground Attack: 2 x 50 kg GP Bomb 11 x Ki-30 Ann bombing from 1000 feet Ground Attack: 1 x 250 kg GP Bomb 19 x Ki-51 Sonia bombing from 1000 feet Ground Attack: 2 x 50 kg GP Bomb 9 x Ki-36 Ida bombing from 1000 feet Ground Attack: 2 x 30 kg GP Bomb 7 x Ki-51 Sonia bombing from 1000 feet Ground Attack: 2 x 50 kg GP Bomb Also attacking 7th War Area ... Also attacking 65th Chinese Corps ... Also attacking 25th Chinese Corps ... Also attacking 12th Group Army ... Also attacking 25th Chinese Corps ... Also attacking 7th War Area ... Also attacking 65th Chinese Corps ... Also attacking 7th War Area ... Also attacking 65th Chinese Corps ... Also attacking 25th Chinese Corps ... Also attacking 7th War Area ... Also attacking 65th Chinese Corps ... -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Morning Air attack on 93rd Chinese Corps, at 87,44 , near Chengchow Weather in hex: Overcast Raid spotted at 19 NM, estimated altitude 4,000 feet. Estimated time to target is 5 minutes Japanese aircraft Ki-30 Ann x 30 Ki-36 Ida x 3 Ki-51 Sonia x 41 No Japanese losses Allied ground losses: 89 casualties reported Squads: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled Non Combat: 1 destroyed, 18 disabled Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled Aircraft Attacking: 25 x Ki-30 Ann bombing from 1000 feet Ground Attack: 1 x 250 kg GP Bomb 5 x Ki-51 Sonia bombing from 1000 feet Ground Attack: 2 x 50 kg GP Bomb 36 x Ki-51 Sonia bombing from 1000 feet Ground Attack: 2 x 50 kg GP Bomb 3 x Ki-36 Ida bombing from 1000 feet Ground Attack: 2 x 30 kg GP Bomb 5 x Ki-30 Ann bombing from 1000 feet Ground Attack: 1 x 250 kg GP Bomb Also attacking 15th Group Army ... Also attacking 93rd Chinese Corps ... Also attacking 15th Group Army ... Also attacking 93rd Chinese Corps ... Also attacking 15th Group Army ... Also attacking 93rd Chinese Corps ... Also attacking 15th Group Army ... Also attacking 93rd Chinese Corps ... Also attacking 15th Group Army ... Also attacking 93rd Chinese Corps ... Also attacking 15th Group Army ... Also attacking 93rd Chinese Corps ... Also attacking 15th Group Army ... -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Morning Air attack on 93rd Chinese Corps, at 87,44 , near Chengchow Weather in hex: Overcast Raid spotted at 18 NM, estimated altitude 3,000 feet. Estimated time to target is 6 minutes Japanese aircraft Ki-51 Sonia x 20 No Japanese losses Allied ground losses: 10 casualties reported Squads: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 2 disabled Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled Aircraft Attacking: 20 x Ki-51 Sonia bombing from 1000 feet Ground Attack: 2 x 50 kg GP Bomb -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Morning Air attack on Wyndham , at 70,127 Weather in hex: Severe storms Raid spotted at 41 NM, estimated altitude 13,000 feet. Estimated time to target is 11 minutes Japanese aircraft Ki-21-IIa Sally x 22 Japanese aircraft losses Ki-21-IIa Sally: 1 damaged Allied ground losses: 18 casualties reported Squads: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 2 disabled Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled Airbase supply hits 1 Runway hits 16 Aircraft Attacking: 15 x Ki-21-IIa Sally bombing from 10000 feet Airfield Attack: 4 x 250 kg GP Bomb 7 x Ki-21-IIa Sally bombing from 10000 feet Airfield Attack: 4 x 250 kg GP Bomb -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Morning Air attack on Wyndham , at 70,127 Weather in hex: Severe storms Raid spotted at 47 NM, estimated altitude 10,000 feet. Estimated time to target is 13 minutes Japanese aircraft Ki-21-IIa Sally x 6 Japanese aircraft losses Ki-21-IIa Sally: 1 damaged Runway hits 3 Aircraft Attacking: 6 x Ki-21-IIa Sally bombing from 10000 feet Airfield Attack: 4 x 250 kg GP Bomb -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Morning Air attack on 85th Chinese Corps, at 86,48 (Sinyang) Weather in hex: Moderate rain Raid spotted at 17 NM, estimated altitude 5,000 feet. Estimated time to target is 5 minutes Japanese aircraft Ki-27b Nate x 67 Japanese aircraft losses Ki-27b Nate: 1 damaged Aircraft Attacking: 39 x Ki-27b Nate bombing from 100 feet 28 x Ki-27b Nate bombing from 100 feet Ground Attack: 2 x 50 kg GP Bomb Also attacking 13th Chinese Corps ... Also attacking 29th Chinese Corps ... Also attacking 84th Chinese Corps ... Also attacking 85th Chinese Corps ... Also attacking 13th Chinese Corps ... -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Morning Air attack on 18th Chinese Base Force, at 79,57 (Kukong) Weather in hex: Light rain Raid spotted at 17 NM, estimated altitude 2,000 feet. Estimated time to target is 7 minutes Japanese aircraft Ki-36 Ida x 6 Ki-48-Ib Lily x 15 Japanese aircraft losses Ki-48-Ib Lily: 2 damaged Allied ground losses: 26 casualties reported Squads: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 4 disabled Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled Aircraft Attacking: 6 x Ki-36 Ida bombing from 1000 feet Ground Attack: 2 x 30 kg GP Bomb 15 x Ki-48-Ib Lily bombing from 1000 feet Ground Attack: 2 x 100 kg GP Bomb -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Morning Air attack on 63rd Chinese Corps, at 79,57 (Kukong) Weather in hex: Light rain Raid spotted at 31 NM, estimated altitude 1,000 feet. Estimated time to target is 10 minutes Japanese aircraft Ki-51 Sonia x 19 No Japanese losses Allied ground losses: 13 casualties reported Squads: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled Aircraft Attacking: 19 x Ki-51 Sonia bombing from 1000 feet Ground Attack: 2 x 50 kg GP Bomb -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Morning Air attack on 13th Chinese Corps, at 86,48 (Sinyang) Weather in hex: Moderate rain Raid spotted at 16 NM, estimated altitude 3,000 feet. Estimated time to target is 4 minutes Japanese aircraft Ki-27b Nate x 12 No Japanese losses Aircraft Attacking: 12 x Ki-27b Nate bombing from 100 feet Ground Attack: 2 x 50 kg GP Bomb Also attacking 30th Chinese Corps ... Also attacking 13th Chinese Corps ... -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Morning Air attack on 93rd Chinese Corps, at 87,44 , near Chengchow Weather in hex: Overcast Raid spotted at 8 NM, estimated altitude 3,000 feet. Estimated time to target is 3 minutes Japanese aircraft Ki-36 Ida x 6 No Japanese losses Aircraft Attacking: 6 x Ki-36 Ida bombing from 1000 feet Ground Attack: 2 x 30 kg GP Bomb -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Morning Air attack on 70th Chinese Corps, at 89,58 (Wenchow) Weather in hex: Moderate rain Raid spotted at 27 NM, estimated altitude 7,000 feet. Estimated time to target is 12 minutes Japanese aircraft Ki-36 Ida x 28 Ki-49-Ia Helen x 3 No Japanese losses Aircraft Attacking: 9 x Ki-36 Ida bombing from 1000 feet Ground Attack: 2 x 30 kg GP Bomb 3 x Ki-36 Ida bombing from 1000 feet Ground Attack: 2 x 30 kg GP Bomb 7 x Ki-36 Ida bombing from 1000 feet Ground Attack: 2 x 30 kg GP Bomb 3 x Ki-36 Ida bombing from 1000 feet Ground Attack: 2 x 30 kg GP Bomb 3 x Ki-36 Ida bombing from 1000 feet Ground Attack: 2 x 30 kg GP Bomb 3 x Ki-36 Ida bombing from 1000 feet Ground Attack: 2 x 30 kg GP Bomb 3 x Ki-49-Ia Helen bombing from 1000 feet Ground Attack: 2 x 250 kg GP Bomb Also attacking 86th Chinese Corps ... Also attacking 88th Chinese Corps ... Also attacking 28th Chinese Corps ... Also attacking 100th Chinese Corps ... Also attacking 86th Chinese Corps ... Also attacking 70th Chinese Corps ... -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Morning Air attack on 70th Chinese Corps, at 89,58 (Wenchow) Weather in hex: Moderate rain Raid spotted at 39 NM, estimated altitude 5,000 feet. Estimated time to target is 17 minutes Japanese aircraft Ki-36 Ida x 6 No Japanese losses Aircraft Attacking: 6 x Ki-36 Ida bombing from 1000 feet Ground Attack: 2 x 30 kg GP Bomb -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Morning Air attack on 86th Chinese Corps, at 89,58 (Wenchow) Weather in hex: Moderate rain Raid spotted at 15 NM, estimated altitude 6,000 feet. Estimated time to target is 6 minutes Japanese aircraft Ki-36 Ida x 9 No Japanese losses Aircraft Attacking: 9 x Ki-36 Ida bombing from 1000 feet Ground Attack: 2 x 30 kg GP Bomb -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Morning Air attack on 88th Chinese Corps, at 89,58 (Wenchow) Weather in hex: Moderate rain Raid spotted at 18 NM, estimated altitude 3,000 feet. Estimated time to target is 8 minutes Japanese aircraft Ki-36 Ida x 4 No Japanese losses Aircraft Attacking: 4 x Ki-36 Ida bombing from 1000 feet Ground Attack: 2 x 30 kg GP Bomb -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Morning Air attack on 28th Chinese Corps, at 89,58 (Wenchow) Weather in hex: Moderate rain Raid spotted at 18 NM, estimated altitude 3,000 feet. Estimated time to target is 8 minutes Japanese aircraft Ki-36 Ida x 4 Ki-49-Ia Helen x 9 No Japanese losses Allied ground losses: 13 casualties reported Squads: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled Aircraft Attacking: 4 x Ki-36 Ida bombing from 1000 feet Ground Attack: 2 x 30 kg GP Bomb 9 x Ki-49-Ia Helen bombing from 1000 feet Ground Attack: 2 x 250 kg GP Bomb Also attacking 100th Chinese Corps ... -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Morning Air attack on 100th Chinese Corps, at 89,58 (Wenchow) Weather in hex: Moderate rain Raid spotted at 23 NM, estimated altitude 5,000 feet. Estimated time to target is 10 minutes Japanese aircraft Ki-36 Ida x 6 No Japanese losses Aircraft Attacking: 6 x Ki-36 Ida bombing from 1000 feet Ground Attack: 2 x 30 kg GP Bomb -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Morning Air attack on 86th Chinese Corps, at 89,58 (Wenchow) Weather in hex: Moderate rain Raid spotted at 33 NM, estimated altitude 1,000 feet. Estimated time to target is 10 minutes Japanese aircraft Ki-49-Ia Helen x 20 No Japanese losses Aircraft Attacking: 20 x Ki-49-Ia Helen bombing from 1000 feet Ground Attack: 2 x 250 kg GP Bomb -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Morning Air attack on 15th Group Army, at 87,44 , near Chengchow Weather in hex: Overcast Raid spotted at 6 NM, estimated altitude 6,000 feet. Estimated time to target is 1 minutes Japanese aircraft Ki-30 Ann x 19 No Japanese losses Allied ground losses: 54 casualties reported Squads: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled Non Combat: 1 destroyed, 9 disabled Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled Aircraft Attacking: 19 x Ki-30 Ann bombing from 1000 feet Ground Attack: 1 x 250 kg GP Bomb -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Morning Air attack on 56th Division, at 58,48 , near Magwe Weather in hex: Heavy rain Raid spotted at 19 NM, estimated altitude 22,000 feet. Estimated time to target is 4 minutes Allied aircraft H81-A3 x 2 No Allied losses Aircraft Attacking: 2 x H81-A3 sweeping at 20000 feet -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Morning Air attack on 56th Division, at 58,48 , near Magwe Weather in hex: Heavy rain Raid spotted at 15 NM, estimated altitude 10,000 feet. Estimated time to target is 5 minutes Allied aircraft Blenheim IV x 6 No Allied losses Japanese ground losses: 9 casualties reported Squads: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled Aircraft Attacking: 6 x Blenheim IV bombing from 6000 feet * Ground Attack: 2 x 250 lb GP Bomb -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Morning Air attack on 56th Division, at 58,48 , near Magwe Weather in hex: Heavy rain Raid spotted at 3 NM, estimated altitude 7,000 feet. Estimated time to target is 0 minutes Allied aircraft Blenheim I x 4 No Allied losses Japanese ground losses: 9 casualties reported Squads: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled Aircraft Attacking: 4 x Blenheim I bombing from 6000 feet * Ground Attack: 2 x 250 lb GP Bomb -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Morning Air attack on TF, near Toboali at 50,92 Weather in hex: Moderate rain Raid spotted at 20 NM, estimated altitude 11,000 feet. Estimated time to target is 7 minutes Allied aircraft F2A-3 Buffalo x 5 F4F-3A Wildcat x 8 F4F-3 Wildcat x 26 SBD-2 Dauntless x 36 SBD-3 Dauntless x 18 Allied aircraft losses SBD-2 Dauntless: 5 damaged SBD-3 Dauntless: 4 damaged Japanese Ships CS Nisshin, Bomb hits 2 54 SBDs, 2 hits. No Smoke, no Damage DD Kazegumo DD Hagikaze DD Natsugumo DD Arashio DD Yugumo DD Kuroshio Aircraft Attacking: 4 x SBD-3 Dauntless releasing from 4000' Naval Attack: 1 x 1000 lb SAP Bomb 6 x SBD-2 Dauntless releasing from 4000' Naval Attack: 1 x 1000 lb SAP Bomb 10 x SBD-2 Dauntless releasing from 4000' Naval Attack: 1 x 1000 lb SAP Bomb 10 x SBD-3 Dauntless releasing from 2000' Naval Attack: 1 x 1000 lb SAP Bomb 8 x SBD-2 Dauntless releasing from 2000' Naval Attack: 1 x 1000 lb SAP Bomb 4 x SBD-3 Dauntless releasing from 3000' Naval Attack: 1 x 1000 lb SAP Bomb 8 x SBD-2 Dauntless releasing from 3000' Naval Attack: 1 x 1000 lb SAP Bomb 4 x SBD-2 Dauntless releasing from 3000' Naval Attack: 1 x 1000 lb SAP Bomb -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Afternoon Air attack on TF, near Toboali at 50,92 Weather in hex: Heavy cloud Raid spotted at 16 NM, estimated altitude 14,000 feet. Estimated time to target is 6 minutes Allied aircraft F2A-3 Buffalo x 5 F4F-3 Wildcat x 13 SBD-2 Dauntless x 18 SBD-3 Dauntless x 16 Allied aircraft losses SBD-3 Dauntless: 4 damaged Japanese Ships DD Arashio DD Hagikaze, Bomb hits 1, on fire DD Minegumo, Bomb hits 2 DD Kazegumo DD Natsugumo DD Asagumo DD Yugumo, Bomb hits 1, on fire CS Nisshin, Bomb hits 4, on fire, heavy damage better Aircraft Attacking: 7 x SBD-3 Dauntless releasing from 3000' Naval Attack: 1 x 1000 lb SAP Bomb 8 x SBD-2 Dauntless releasing from 2000' Naval Attack: 1 x 1000 lb SAP Bomb 8 x SBD-2 Dauntless releasing from 3000' Naval Attack: 1 x 1000 lb SAP Bomb 5 x SBD-3 Dauntless releasing from 2000' Naval Attack: 1 x 1000 lb SAP Bomb 2 x SBD-2 Dauntless releasing from 4000' Naval Attack: 1 x 1000 lb SAP Bomb 4 x SBD-3 Dauntless releasing from 4000' Naval Attack: 1 x 1000 lb SAP Bomb -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Afternoon Air attack on TF, near Palembang at 48,91 Weather in hex: Heavy cloud Raid spotted at 37 NM, estimated altitude 13,000 feet. Estimated time to target is 17 minutes Japanese aircraft A6M2 Zero x 27 Allied aircraft F4F-3A Wildcat x 8 F4F-3 Wildcat x 13 SBD-2 Dauntless x 17 Japanese aircraft losses A6M2 Zero: 1 destroyed Allied aircraft losses F4F-3A Wildcat: 2 destroyed F4F-3 Wildcat: 1 destroyed SBD-2 Dauntless: 4 damaged Japanese Ships xAK Kashiwara Maru, Bomb hits 3, heavy fires, heavy damage xAK Celebes Maru, Bomb hits 2, heavy fires, heavy damage xAK Clyde Maru, Bomb hits 3, heavy fires, heavy damage PB Togo Maru, Bomb hits 2, and is sunk Japanese ground losses: 496 casualties reported Squads: 2 destroyed, 8 disabled Non Combat: 26 destroyed, 57 disabled Engineers: 0 destroyed, 5 disabled Aircraft Attacking: 13 x SBD-2 Dauntless releasing from 2000' Naval Attack: 1 x 1000 lb SAP Bomb 4 x SBD-2 Dauntless releasing from 4000' Naval Attack: 1 x 1000 lb SAP Bomb CAP engaged: Yamada Det S-1 with A6M2 Zero (6 airborne, 12 on standby, 0 scrambling) 6 plane(s) intercepting now. Group patrol altitude is 10000 Time for all group planes to reach interception is 22 minutes Yamada Det S-2 with A6M2 Zero (3 airborne, 6 on standby, 0 scrambling) 3 plane(s) intercepting now. Group patrol altitude is 5000 Time for all group planes to reach interception is 8 minutes Heavy smoke from fires obscuring xAK Celebes Maru Heavy smoke from fires obscuring xAK Clyde Maru Heavy smoke from fires obscuring PB Togo Maru Dutch PBYs that flared up in the days prior to our approach had noted a few CS-sized convoys running towards Pbang. It was our hope to smash them. We failed. Instead, we found and likely sunk a CS and some base forces.

Cheesesteak -> RE: Always with them negative waves... Aaffins/Cheesesteak v. RADM Yamaguchi (11/5/2019 7:24:49 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Cheesesteak A few turns pass, HMB proceeds unnoticed Operation 'Hold My Beer' was centered around hitting shipping in and out of Palembang. Best case, we would find no or light fighter cover of the base itself and the secondary mission would kick in. That was more an aspiration than expectation. We crept unnoticed 11 hexes out the day prior. Since the KB sighting at Auckland, we deemed the risk acceptable. We failed to hit paydirt in the form of Tonan-class tankers. We did, however, take out a future CVL and some troops. We have since made good our escape, though 13 Netties tried to hit us at night. Does that actually work? I'd be surprised if the game let Japanese LBA hit ships moving at flank speed at night. If we have any readers, I'm feeling the need for judgment. How would you grade this raid? I'd give myself a 'B-'. If I was feeling optimistic, I'd say we forced him to readjust his defensive posture in the DEI. Still, we were lucky to get away so easily.

HansBolter -> RE: Always with them negative waves... Aaffins/Cheesesteak v. RADM Yamaguchi (11/5/2019 7:34:11 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Cheesesteak quote: ORIGINAL: Cheesesteak A few turns pass, HMB proceeds unnoticed Operation 'Hold My Beer' was centered around hitting shipping in and out of Palembang. Best case, we would find no or light fighter cover of the base itself and the secondary mission would kick in. That was more an aspiration than expectation. We crept unnoticed 11 hexes out the day prior. Since the KB sighting at Auckland, we deemed the risk acceptable. We failed to hit paydirt in the form of Tonan-class tankers. We did, however, take out a future CVL and some troops. We have since made good our escape, though 13 Netties tried to hit us at night. Does that actually work? I'd be surprised if the game let Japanese LBA hit ships moving at flank speed at night. If we have any readers, I'm feeling the need for judgment. How would you grade this raid? I'd give myself a 'B-'. If I was feeling optimistic, I'd say we forced him to readjust his defensive posture in the DEI. Still, we were lucky to get away so easily. If you sunk a future CVL I would rate it an A- at the least.

Cheesesteak -> RE: Always with them negative waves... Aaffins/Cheesesteak v. RADM Yamaguchi (11/5/2019 7:37:58 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Cheesesteak quote: ORIGINAL: Cheesesteak A few turns pass, HMB proceeds unnoticed Operation 'Hold My Beer' was centered around hitting shipping in and out of Palembang. Best case, we would find no or light fighter cover of the base itself and the secondary mission would kick in. That was more an aspiration than expectation. We crept unnoticed 11 hexes out the day prior. Since the KB sighting at Auckland, we deemed the risk acceptable. We failed to hit paydirt in the form of Tonan-class tankers. We did, however, take out a future CVL and some troops. We have since made good our escape, though 13 Netties tried to hit us at night. Does that actually work? I'd be surprised if the game let Japanese LBA hit ships moving at flank speed at night. If we have any readers, I'm feeling the need for judgment. How would you grade this raid? I'd give myself a 'B-'. If I was feeling optimistic, I'd say we forced him to readjust his defensive posture in the DEI. Still, we were lucky to get away so easily. Giving some more context - immediately after, sub sightings occur. In the words of Fins: ...so many juicy targets in the DEI right now, tempting to go hunting with the CVs, but not really worth it against LBA. Also have barely enough gas to make it back to Perth. Clearly he's moving a lot of big stuff behind the scenes based on those sub attack around Singapore. Question is what he's setting up. Small TF moving towards, 2 DDs moving to intercept. AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR Mar 10, 42 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Sub attack near Muntok at 52,89 Japanese Ships DD Hagikaze DD Kuroshio DD Suresushio DD Asagumo DD Natsugumo Allied Ships SS Porpoise SS Porpoise launches 2 torpedoes at DD Hagikaze Porpoise bottoming out .... DD Suresushio fails to find sub and abandons search DD Asagumo fails to find sub and abandons search DD Natsugumo fails to find sub, continues to search... DD Natsugumo fails to find sub, continues to search... DD Natsugumo attacking submerged sub .... DD Natsugumo fails to find sub, continues to search... DD Natsugumo fails to find sub, continues to search... Escort abandons search for sub -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Sub vs Sub: SS S-38 attacking SS I-121 at 48,142 - near Geraldton Japanese Ships SS I-121, Torpedo hits 1, heavy damage Allied Ships SS S-38 SS S-38 launches 4 torpedoes at 4,000 yards -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ASW attack near Djemadja at 52,83 Japanese Ships PB Shanan Maru #16 PB Shonan Maru #6 PB Shonan Maru #2 PB Shonan Maru #1 PB Sonan Maru #5 PB Sonobe Maru PB Noshiro Maru #2 AD Shoho Maru AD Iwaki Maru AV Kamoi AO Teibo AO Kyuko AKE Toyu Maru AKE Azuchi Maru xAK Igasa Maru xAK Kyosei Maru xAK Hiyama Maru xAK Hakusika Maru xAK Yamabuki Maru xAK Yae Maru xAK Nitian Maru xAK Oridono Maru xAK Utide Maru xAK Taian Maru xAK Enzyu Maru xAK Anzan Maru xAK Kinkai Maru xAK Keihuku Maru xAK Malta Maru xAK India Maru xAK China Maru PB Shonan Maru #17 PB Shonon Maru #10 PB Shuko Maru #5 PB Shuko Maru #2 Allied Ships SS O23 SS O23 launches 4 torpedoes at PB Shanan Maru #16 O23 bottoming out .... PB Shonan Maru #17 fails to find sub and abandons search PB Shonon Maru #10 fails to find sub and abandons search PB Shuko Maru #5 fails to find sub and abandons search PB Shuko Maru #2 fails to find sub, continues to search... PB Shuko Maru #2 fails to find sub, continues to search... PB Shuko Maru #2 fails to find sub, continues to search... PB Shuko Maru #2 fails to find sub, continues to search... PB Shuko Maru #2 fails to find sub, continues to search... PB Shuko Maru #2 fails to find sub, continues to search... PB Shuko Maru #2 fails to find sub, continues to search... Escort abandons search for sub -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Sub attack near Perth at 48,144 Japanese Ships SS I-122 Allied Ships AM Colac SS I-122 launches 2 torpedoes AM Colac fails to find sub, continues to search... AM Colac fails to find sub, continues to search... AM Colac fails to find sub, continues to search... AM Colac fails to find sub, continues to search... AM Colac fails to find sub, continues to search... Escort abandons search for sub -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ASW attack near Singkawang at 53,88 Japanese Ships DD Kisaragi CS Mizuho DD Nagatsuki DD Kikuzuki DD Fumizuki DD Minazuki DD Satsuki DD Uzuki DD Yayoi DD Mutsuki DD Kyukaze Allied Ships SS Porpoise, hits 2

aaffins -> RE: Always with them negative waves... Aaffins/Cheesesteak v. RADM Yamaguchi (11/6/2019 12:37:10 AM)
I rate the raid at least a 'B'...ftr this Operation HMB was definitely a Cheesesteak idea. Additional considerations to us sinking a CS (future CVL) and base force: 1. That's 150+ VPs - we've never felt we were under threat of auto vic, but we have done precious little to cushion ourselves against a bad break. This helps. 2. This forces him to make proper defensive considerations, this will detract from his offensives elsewhere. 3. Although only 3 of our 12 strike squadrons flew, the silver lining is this could be as little as two Allied CVs from his perspective. In a funny way we maintained part of our fleet in being. 4. Opponent has yet to secure Cocos I. or Xmas I. (IO edition), this should delay. We (in fairness another VAC idea) decided to run the 44th Indian Brig. into Cocos, we'll be able to do that with low risk now. Whilst we did not achieve our tactical objectives, I think this may pay off strategically.

CaptBeefheart -> RE: Always with them negative waves... Aaffins/Cheesesteak v. RADM Yamaguchi (11/6/2019 5:26:25 AM)
Pulling off that kind of raid this early in the game is great, and those results weren't too bad. DDs are a tough beast to hit with dive bombers. As you say, it'll help the strategic situation. Cheers, CB

Cheesesteak -> RE: Always with them negative waves... Aaffins/Cheesesteak v. RADM Yamaguchi (11/6/2019 2:57:32 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Cheesesteak -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Sub vs Sub: SS S-38 attacking SS I-121 at 48,142 - near Geraldton Japanese Ships SS I-121, Torpedo hits 1, heavy damage Allied Ships SS S-38 SS S-38 launches 4 torpedoes at 4,000 yards -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- sub on sub action! Commander of the S-38 is now in line for promotion. Historically, this would come with a pay-raise. We opt to take a page from 21st Century corporate life: put in him in charge of a CL for a month to make sure he is ready, then give the rank and pay increase.

HansBolter -> RE: Always with them negative waves... Aaffins/Cheesesteak v. RADM Yamaguchi (11/6/2019 3:33:58 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Cheesesteak quote: ORIGINAL: Cheesesteak -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Sub vs Sub: SS S-38 attacking SS I-121 at 48,142 - near Geraldton Japanese Ships SS I-121, Torpedo hits 1, heavy damage Allied Ships SS S-38 SS S-38 launches 4 torpedoes at 4,000 yards -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- sub on sub action! Commander of the S-38 is now in line for promotion. Historically, this would come with a pay-raise. We opt to take a page from 21st Century corporate life: put in him in charge of a CL for a month to make sure he is ready, then give the rank and pay increase. What I have always seen sub vs sub as: [image]local://upfiles/21458/3B05E52C2C9F460C88759FE2F9F71E0E.jpg[/image]

BBfanboy -> RE: Always with them negative waves... Aaffins/Cheesesteak v. RADM Yamaguchi (11/6/2019 8:09:10 PM)
Excellent metaphor Hans! [:D]

aaffins -> RE: Always with them negative waves... Aaffins/Cheesesteak v. RADM Yamaguchi (11/6/2019 10:39:40 PM)
VAC has done a nice job of documenting our naval misadventures but he overlooks the Keystone Kops routine going on in China, some highlights over the first 10 days of March: 1. Yamaguchi learns how hexsides and rivers work: AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR Mar 04, 42 Ground combat at Sinyang (86,48) Japanese Shock attack Attacking force 6268 troops, 131 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 1843 Defending force 55711 troops, 417 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 1344 Japanese adjusted assault: 0 Allied adjusted defense: 1693 Japanese assault odds: 1 to 99 (fort level 2) Combat modifiers Defender: terrain(+), preparation(-), experience(-) Attacker: shock(+) Japanese ground losses: 4673 casualties reported Squads: 226 destroyed, 0 disabled Non Combat: 1 destroyed, 40 disabled Engineers: 10 destroyed, 5 disabled Guns lost 35 (2 destroyed, 33 disabled) Allied ground losses: 29 casualties reported Squads: 1 destroyed, 1 disabled Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled Engineers: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled Assaulting units: 34th Division 4th Ind.Mixed Brigade 138th Infantry Regiment 9th Ind.Mixed Brigade 116th Division 13th Division 58th Infantry Regiment 7th Ind.Mixed Brigade 13th Ind.Mixed Brigade 9th Armored Car Co 12th RGC Ind. Brigade 13th Tank Regiment 7th RGC Temp. Division 51st Ind.Mtn.Gun Battalion 1st Mortar Battalion 2nd Ind. Mountain Gun Regiment 52nd Ind.Mtn.Gun Battalion Defending units: 29th Chinese Corps 12th Chinese Corps 55th Chinese Corps 7th Chinese Corps 13th Chinese Corps 84th Chinese Corps 77th Chinese Corps 30th Chinese Corps 85th Chinese Corps 3rd Group Army 21st Group Army 2nd Group Army 31st Group Army 7th New Chinese Corps 2. Attacking again a day after taking a 1:2 thrashing AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR Mar 06, 42 Ground combat at 85,42 (near Sian) Japanese Deliberate attack Attacking force 22410 troops, 253 guns, 74 vehicles, Assault Value = 630 Defending force 10270 troops, 85 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 337 Japanese adjusted assault: 258 Allied adjusted defense: 433 Japanese assault odds: 1 to 2 Combat modifiers Defender: terrain(+), experience(-) Attacker: Japanese ground losses: 2003 casualties reported Squads: 5 destroyed, 179 disabled Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 11 disabled Engineers: 0 destroyed, 8 disabled Allied ground losses: 373 casualties reported Squads: 4 destroyed, 53 disabled Non Combat: 1 destroyed, 1 disabled Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled Assaulting units: 41st Division 26th Division 1st Army North China Area Army 6th Medium Field Artillery Regiment Defending units: 38th Chinese Corps 47th Chinese Corps 4th Group Army 3. Active Defense! Ground combat at Loyang (87,43) Allied Deliberate attack Attacking force 11352 troops, 64 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 361 Defending force 420 troops, 12 guns, 44 vehicles, Assault Value = 1 Allied adjusted assault: 39 Japanese adjusted defense: 3 Allied assault odds: 13 to 1 (fort level 0) Allied forces CAPTURE Loyang !!! Combat modifiers Defender: leaders(+), preparation(-), experience(-) Attacker: leaders(-), supply(-) Japanese ground losses: Guns lost 8 (7 destroyed, 1 disabled) Vehicles lost 40 (38 destroyed, 2 disabled) Units retreated 1 Allied ground losses: 35 casualties reported Squads: 0 destroyed, 4 disabled Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled Defeated Japanese Units Retreating! Assaulting units: 27th Chinese Corps 80th Chinese Corps 14th Group Army Defending units: 3rd Hvy.Artillery Regiment 4. I'm not sure what the idea was here AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR Mar 09, 42 Ground combat at Nanchang (85,54) Japanese Shock attack Attacking force 11694 troops, 76 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 683 Defending force 21476 troops, 183 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 804 Japanese adjusted assault: 124 Allied adjusted defense: 269 Japanese assault odds: 1 to 2 (fort level 3) Combat modifiers Defender: forts(+), preparation(-), experience(-) Attacker: shock(+), supply(-) Japanese ground losses: 2513 casualties reported Squads: 14 destroyed, 220 disabled Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 16 disabled Engineers: 0 destroyed, 14 disabled Guns lost 15 (3 destroyed, 12 disabled) Allied ground losses: 562 casualties reported Squads: 3 destroyed, 33 disabled Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 6 disabled Engineers: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled Assaulting units: 39th Division 55th Infantry Brigade 12th Ind.Mixed Brigade Defending units: 21st Chinese Corps 9th Prov Chinese Corps 78th Chinese Corps 3rd New Chinese Corps 30th Group Army 5. Why shock attack? Ground combat at 85,42 (near Sian) Japanese Shock attack Attacking force 58309 troops, 561 guns, 217 vehicles, Assault Value = 1876 Defending force 18262 troops, 123 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 583 Japanese adjusted assault: 1994 Allied adjusted defense: 1102 Japanese assault odds: 1 to 1 Combat modifiers Defender: terrain(+), experience(-) Attacker: shock(+) Japanese ground losses: 3020 casualties reported Squads: 133 destroyed, 48 disabled Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 21 disabled Engineers: 6 destroyed, 34 disabled Allied ground losses: 1630 casualties reported Squads: 10 destroyed, 196 disabled Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 30 disabled Engineers: 0 destroyed, 6 disabled Guns lost 14 (2 destroyed, 12 disabled) Assaulting units: 41st Division 35th Division 36th Division 32nd Division 26th Division North China Area Army 1st Army 6th Medium Field Artillery Regiment Defending units: 36th Chinese Corps 38th Chinese Corps 47th Chinese Corps 4th Group Army

HansBolter -> RE: Always with them negative waves... Aaffins/Cheesesteak v. RADM Yamaguchi (11/7/2019 11:48:58 AM)
Is he not reconning the strength of these hexes with bombardment attacks before he commits to deliberate and especially shock attacks? Following a shellacking on an ill considered shock attack with a deliberate attack the next day is shear folly. One suspects he has not learned to use the yellow highlighted text in the upper right corner of the LCU interface for toggling between 'soft' and 'hard' values. The second, often overlooked, page of this interface is where one monitors the fatigue, disruption and morale of every unit in the stack. A look at that page on the day after the shock attack would be enough to convince anyone to stand down and rest for at least 3-5 days before mounting a second attack. And never, never, never mount a shock attack against a heavily defended hex that hasn't been reduced first.

Cheesesteak -> RE: Always with them negative waves... Aaffins/Cheesesteak v. RADM Yamaguchi (11/7/2019 2:31:11 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: HansBolter Is he not reconning the strength of these hexes with bombardment attacks before he commits to deliberate and especially shock attacks? Following a shellacking on an ill considered shock attack with a deliberate attack the next day is shear folly. One suspects he has not learned to use the yellow highlighted text in the upper right corner of the LCU interface for toggling between 'soft' and 'hard' values. The second, often overlooked, page of this interface is where one monitors the fatigue, disruption and morale of every unit in the stack. A look at that page on the day after the shock attack would be enough to convince anyone to stand down and rest for at least 3-5 days before mounting a second attack. And never, never, never mount a shock attack against a heavily defended hex that hasn't been reduced first. I think it's one part Fins being a better General than he lets on, three parts Yamaguichi being far more interested in other theaters. I think it was Greyjoy's first run as Japan where the comment was made that China isn't something Japan just wins; it requires some investment and care on their part.

Cheesesteak -> RE: Always with them negative waves... Aaffins/Cheesesteak v. RADM Yamaguchi (11/7/2019 3:26:02 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: HansBolter quote: ORIGINAL: Cheesesteak quote: ORIGINAL: Cheesesteak -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Sub vs Sub: SS S-38 attacking SS I-121 at 48,142 - near Geraldton Japanese Ships SS I-121, Torpedo hits 1, heavy damage Allied Ships SS S-38 SS S-38 launches 4 torpedoes at 4,000 yards -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- sub on sub action! Commander of the S-38 is now in line for promotion. Historically, this would come with a pay-raise. We opt to take a page from 21st Century corporate life: put in him in charge of a CL for a month to make sure he is ready, then give the rank and pay increase. What I have always seen sub vs sub as: [image]local://upfiles/21458/3B05E52C2C9F460C88759FE2F9F71E0E.jpg[/image] hahahaha yes! this is the quality type of posting I come to the forums for. My mental image focused on the sub size disparity: [image]local://upfiles/36542/39AE02455C9349B486A150B00B9F96EF.jpg[/image]

CaptBeefheart -> RE: Always with them negative waves... Aaffins/Cheesesteak v. RADM Yamaguchi (11/8/2019 6:37:46 AM)
The old WITP had an option where you could put China on AI, and I always played it that way. Not an interesting theater for this guy, although last night I did have an interesting discussion over beers about Vinegar Joe with a Taiwanese pressman. Cheers, CB

Cheesesteak -> RE: Always with them negative waves... Aaffins/Cheesesteak v. RADM Yamaguchi (11/8/2019 10:20:43 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: CaptBeefheart The old WITP had an option where you could put China on AI, and I always played it that way. Not an interesting theater for this guy, although last night I did have an interesting discussion over beers about Vinegar Joe with a Taiwanese pressman. Cheers, CB We're just me playing, I'd vote for quiet China every time. That sounds like quite the evening. Assuming you're talking about the band, I'll have to check them out.

aaffins -> RE: Always with them negative waves... Aaffins/Cheesesteak v. RADM Yamaguchi (11/9/2019 4:41:21 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Cheesesteak quote: ORIGINAL: CaptBeefheart The old WITP had an option where you could put China on AI, and I always played it that way. Not an interesting theater for this guy, although last night I did have an interesting discussion over beers about Vinegar Joe with a Taiwanese pressman. Cheers, CB We're just me playing, I'd vote for quiet China every time. That sounds like quite the evening. Assuming you're talking about the band, I'll have to check them out. Google Joseph Stillwell, please.

Cheesesteak -> RE: Always with them negative waves... Aaffins/Cheesesteak v. RADM Yamaguchi (11/9/2019 1:03:59 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: aaffins quote: ORIGINAL: Cheesesteak quote: ORIGINAL: CaptBeefheart The old WITP had an option where you could put China on AI, and I always played it that way. Not an interesting theater for this guy, although last night I did have an interesting discussion over beers about Vinegar Joe with a Taiwanese pressman. Cheers, CB We're just me playing, I'd vote for quiet China every time. That sounds like quite the evening. Assuming you're talking about the band, I'll have to check them out. Google Joseph Stillwell, please. Google originally gave me two options to go with; does which I picked surprise you?

aaffins -> RE: Always with them negative waves... Aaffins/Cheesesteak v. RADM Yamaguchi (11/10/2019 5:24:51 PM)
Ha, it does not. I feel a little bad for thinking you didn't know who he was. March 11, 1942: We have been playing aggressively with some smaller SCTFs between Raoul I. and Samoa, hunting small enemy TFs attempting to secure the small bases in the area. The KB shows up and punishes us, sinking CLs Leander and Achilles along with DDs Hughes, Sims and Cunningham. An enemy TF lands the IJA 90th Inf Regt at Cairns. Our CVs remain west of Java, protecting Cocos I. awaiting arrival of a TF carrying the 44th Indian Brig.

CaptBeefheart -> RE: Always with them negative waves... Aaffins/Cheesesteak v. RADM Yamaguchi (11/11/2019 2:08:58 AM)
There's a band called Vinegar Joe? You learn something new every day. Cheers, CB

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