Unashamed gloat (The Great Irau Turkey Shoot).

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Raverdave -> Unashamed gloat (The Great Irau Turkey Shoot). (6/28/2003 5:01:04 PM)
Ok, it is now my turn to gloat..... the game is at the 8th of August'43 and I have been pounded by this IJN player since turn one. I have lost over 300 ships to his 100 and had a failed invasion of Port Morsby. So having suffered throught the game for so long and always behind in points....now it is my turn in the sunshine....read it and weep! AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR 08/11/43 Weather: Partly Cloudy Air attack on TF, near Irau at 42,43 Japanese aircraft A6M2 Zero x 26 A6M3 Zero x 12 D3A Val x 38 B5N Kate x 15 Allied aircraft F4U-1 Corsair x 53 P-38G Lightning x 12 P-47C Thunderbolt x 46 Japanese aircraft losses A6M2 Zero x 28 destroyed A6M3 Zero x 12 destroyed D3A Val x 25 destroyed D3A Val x 10 damaged B5N Kate x 11 destroyed B5N Kate x 2 damaged ENS B. Harwood of VF-8 is credited with kill number 7 LCDR B.Kumagaya of BII-1 Daitai bails out and is CAPTURED Allied Ships CA Portland, Bomb hits 2 BB Washington BB Colorado, Bomb hits 1, on fire -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Air attack on TF, near Irau at 42,43 Japanese aircraft A6M2 Zero x 80 A6M3 Zero x 30 D3A Val x 40 B5N Kate x 49 Allied aircraft F4U-1 Corsair x 53 P-38G Lightning x 12 P-47C Thunderbolt x 46 Japanese aircraft losses A6M2 Zero x 81 destroyed A6M3 Zero x 26 destroyed A6M3 Zero x 1 damaged D3A Val x 10 destroyed D3A Val x 13 damaged B5N Kate x 36 destroyed B5N Kate x 16 damaged Allied aircraft losses F4U-1 Corsair x 5 destroyed F4U-1 Corsair x 2 damaged P-38G Lightning x 1 destroyed P-38G Lightning x 1 damaged P-47C Thunderbolt x 1 destroyed P-47C Thunderbolt x 1 damaged 2LT E. Shaw of VMF-213 is credited with kill number 12 2LT E. Shaw of VMF-213 bails out WOUNDED and is RESCUED Allied Ships DD Hudson BB Mississippi, Bomb hits 3 CA Wichita, Torpedo hits 1 DD Flusser BB Pennsylvania CL Columbia, Bomb hits 2 CL Santa Fe, Torpedo hits 1, on fire DD Eaton, Bomb hits 1, on fire -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Air attack on TF, near Irau at 42,43 Japanese aircraft A6M2 Zero x 7 D3A Val x 17 B5N Kate x 16 Allied aircraft F4U-1 Corsair x 49 P-38G Lightning x 11 P-47C Thunderbolt x 45 Japanese aircraft losses A6M2 Zero x 5 destroyed D3A Val x 11 destroyed D3A Val x 6 damaged B5N Kate x 11 destroyed B5N Kate x 4 damaged Allied aircraft losses F4U-1 Corsair x 1 destroyed F4U-1 Corsair x 1 damaged ENS B. Harwood of VF-8 is credited with kill number 10 2LT J. Morgan of VMF-213 is KILLED Allied Ships DD Dyson, Bomb hits 1, on fire DD Calahan, Torpedo hits 1, on fire -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Air attack on TF at 42,46 Japanese aircraft A6M2 Zero x 56 A6M3 Zero x 18 Allied aircraft F4F-4 Wildcat x 22 F6F Hellcat x 15 F4U-1 Corsair x 12 SBD Dauntless x 51 TBF Avenger x 27 Japanese aircraft losses A6M2 Zero x 16 destroyed A6M2 Zero x 1 damaged A6M3 Zero x 5 destroyed Allied aircraft losses F4F-4 Wildcat x 7 destroyed F4F-4 Wildcat x 2 damaged F6F Hellcat x 3 destroyed F6F Hellcat x 1 damaged F4U-1 Corsair x 2 destroyed F4U-1 Corsair x 1 damaged SBD Dauntless x 13 destroyed SBD Dauntless x 43 damaged TBF Avenger x 12 destroyed TBF Avenger x 22 damaged LTJG S.Shibata of BI-1 Daitai is credited with kill number 4 Japanese Ships CV Shokaku, Bomb hits 1, on fire CV Kaga CVE Unyo CV Junyo, Torpedo hits 2, on fire CVL Zuiho, Bomb hits 2, on fire DD Kawakaze CV Zuikaku CVL Ryuho CVL Shoho, Bomb hits 3, on fire, heavy damage CVL Ryujo, Bomb hits 4, on fire, heavy damage CV Hiryu, Torpedo hits 1 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Air attack on TF at 42,46 Japanese aircraft A6M2 Zero x 19 A6M3 Zero x 5 Allied aircraft F4F-4 Wildcat x 15 F4U-1 Corsair x 12 SBD Dauntless x 17 TBF Avenger x 27 Japanese aircraft losses A6M2 Zero x 9 destroyed A6M2 Zero x 1 damaged A6M3 Zero x 2 destroyed A6M3 Zero x 1 damaged Allied aircraft losses F4F-4 Wildcat x 3 destroyed F4F-4 Wildcat x 1 damaged F4U-1 Corsair x 1 destroyed SBD Dauntless x 2 destroyed SBD Dauntless x 6 damaged TBF Avenger x 3 destroyed TBF Avenger x 29 damaged 1LT R.Farley of VMF-214 is credited with kill number 4 Japanese Ships CV Zuikaku CV Hiryu CV Hiyo CVE Unyo CVL Shoho, Torpedo hits 1, on fire, heavy damage CV Shokaku, on fire CVL Ryuho -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Air attack on TF at 42,46 Japanese aircraft A6M2 Zero x 14 A6M3 Zero x 5 Allied aircraft F4F-4 Wildcat x 7 F6F Hellcat x 11 SBD Dauntless x 17 TBF Avenger x 18 Japanese aircraft losses A6M2 Zero x 2 destroyed Allied aircraft losses F4F-4 Wildcat x 1 damaged F6F Hellcat x 2 destroyed SBD Dauntless x 1 destroyed SBD Dauntless x 4 damaged TBF Avenger x 17 damaged LTJG A.Matsuki of AI-1 Daitai is credited with kill number 2 Japanese Ships CV Hiryu CVL Hosho CV Kaga, Bomb hits 1 CV Shokaku, on fire CVE Unyo CVL Shoho, Bomb hits 1, on fire, heavy damage CV Soryu CS Chiyoda -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Air attack on TF at 42,46 Japanese aircraft A6M2 Zero x 16 A6M3 Zero x 6 Allied aircraft F4F-4 Wildcat x 9 F6F Hellcat x 5 F4U-1 Corsair x 12 SBD Dauntless x 15 TBF Avenger x 27 Japanese aircraft losses A6M2 Zero x 7 destroyed A6M3 Zero x 3 destroyed Allied aircraft losses F4F-4 Wildcat x 2 destroyed F6F Hellcat x 1 destroyed SBD Dauntless x 1 destroyed SBD Dauntless x 6 damaged TBF Avenger x 4 destroyed TBF Avenger x 10 damaged 1LT V.Lee of VMF-124 is credited with kill number 3 LT K. Notomi of EIII-1 Daitai bails out and is CAPTURED Japanese Ships CVL Shoho, on fire, heavy damage CV Shokaku, Bomb hits 1, Torpedo hits 1, on fire, heavy damage CV Junyo, on fire CV Kaga CVL Ryujo, on fire, heavy damage CS Chiyoda CV Soryu CVL Zuiho, on fire -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Air attack on TF at 42,46 Japanese aircraft A6M2 Zero x 16 A6M3 Zero x 7 Allied aircraft F6F Hellcat x 7 SBD Dauntless x 33 Japanese aircraft losses A6M2 Zero x 4 destroyed A6M3 Zero x 1 destroyed Allied aircraft losses SBD Dauntless x 11 destroyed SBD Dauntless x 15 damaged LT S. Hidaka of CI-1 Daitai is credited with kill number 6 LT M. Kobayashi of DI-1 Daitai is KILLED Japanese Ships CVL Ryujo, Bomb hits 2, on fire, heavy damage CV Akagi CV Hiryu -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Air attack on TF, near Irau at 42,43 Japanese aircraft A6M2 Zero x 63 A6M3 Zero x 14 D3A Val x 44 B5N Kate x 58 Allied aircraft F4U-1 Corsair x 45 P-38G Lightning x 11 P-47C Thunderbolt x 47 Japanese aircraft losses A6M2 Zero x 59 destroyed A6M3 Zero x 9 destroyed D3A Val x 19 destroyed D3A Val x 6 damaged B5N Kate x 24 destroyed B5N Kate x 31 damaged Allied aircraft losses F4U-1 Corsair x 2 destroyed F4U-1 Corsair x 2 damaged P-38G Lightning x 2 destroyed P-47C Thunderbolt x 9 destroyed P-47C Thunderbolt x 2 damaged ENS B. Harwood of VF-8 is credited with kill number 11 LCDR E.Okano of DII-1 Daitai is KILLED Allied Ships CL Mobile BB Pennsylvania CL Santa Fe, on fire DD Dunlap DD Hudson BB Mississippi DD Eaton, Torpedo hits 1, on fire, heavy damage CA Salt Lake City, Bomb hits 1, on fire CA Wichita --------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Drex -> (6/28/2003 8:22:34 PM)
Well done Raverdave. Victory is sweet.I soon may taste that nectar.

demonterico -> (6/29/2003 12:09:14 AM)
I may be wrong on the authenticity of this quote, but I believe it was Vince Lombardi who said; "Winning is better than loosing."

Drongo -> (6/29/2003 1:47:44 AM)
Well done big fellah. And to Luskan. You just got to love those 2nd generation US fighters and their guaranteed 10+ to 1 kill ratios (and your incredible game play of course, Raver).

BillBrown -> (6/29/2003 2:05:01 AM)
Good going Raver, nice to see you get a good one finally. ;)

Raverdave -> (6/29/2003 12:06:49 PM)
[QUOTE]Originally posted by Drex [B]Well done Raverdave. Victory is sweet.I soon may taste that nectar. [/B][/QUOTE] Never give up Drex.......remember, the less ships that you have sunk so far, means all the more to sink later!;)

Raverdave -> (6/29/2003 12:10:05 PM)
[QUOTE]Originally posted by BillBrown [B]Good going Raver, nice to see you get a good one finally. ;) [/B][/QUOTE] Oh there have been a few wins already....and a lots of losses as well.....one of which was a very public loss as the IJN in a AAR. The funny thing is, I seem to have the most trouble in games against my fellow countrymen. Of all the games that I have lost they have ALL been to fellow Aussies. This game is my FIRST win against an Aussie player:cool:

Luskan -> (6/29/2003 9:28:43 PM)
I'd have to agree with that Raver - I'm having much more problems with aussies that kiwis/yanks/other. I'm 2 losses and 8 wins - the other loss was a scn 17 all the way to december that actually came down to the wire - was bloody close but I ran out of steam, transports, soldiers, ships, planes, hell everything, so i couldn't advance, and my opponent had transports and nothing else. This is my first "disastrous" loss - six months and Raver would ahve been ahead by 5000 points - he was level with me after sinking all IJN CVs on the OOB bar two the CVEs in Tokyo (and sinking them all in 1 3-turn CV battle without loss is something that you've got to blink at). However both these losses are against fellow aussies, while the wins are all against overseas opponents. Does that make me the worst aussie player ?????? :( My USN games are actually faring much worse than my IJN games at the moment, although I'm confidently expecting that I'll win at least 4 out of the 6 other games I'm playing - maybe even 5 out of 6. Can only see myself definitely loosing against 1 particular opponent - but he is a yank so I'm expecting that God will intervene on my behalf. :D

mogami -> Beer (6/29/2003 9:36:37 PM)
[QUOTE]Originally posted by Raverdave [B]Oh there have been a few wins already....and a lots of losses as well.....one of which was a very public loss as the IJN in a AAR. The funny thing is, I seem to have the most trouble in games against my fellow countrymen. Of all the games that I have lost they have ALL been to fellow Aussies. This game is my FIRST win against an Aussie player:cool: [/B][/QUOTE] Hi, This is because beer makes you smart. (good beer does) Americans ether drink bad beer or no beer hence the poor performance. Myself I drink Pilsner Urquell (really good beer) or St. Pauli Girl (better then any American beer) I'll have to try an Aussie PBEM game to test this theory (If correct it should result in a hard fought exciting draw)

Admiral_Arctic -> I am undefeated (6/29/2003 10:07:13 PM)
I have won eight games of scenario #17. (3 Japs and 5 Allied) I am currently playing in three scenario #17 (1 Jap and 2 Allied).

denisonh -> Re: Beer (6/29/2003 11:03:11 PM)
[QUOTE]Originally posted by Mogami [B]Hi, This is because beer makes you smart. (good beer does) Americans ether drink bad beer or no beer hence the poor performance. Myself I drink Pilsner Urquell (really good beer) or St. Pauli Girl (better then any American beer) I'll have to try an Aussie PBEM game to test this theory (If correct it should result in a hard fought exciting draw) [/B][/QUOTE] Guinness for Strength! 5 wins in SC#17 as Allies 1 win SC#19 as Allies No losses (One is in the works though :( , thanks to Crocky) Only one game went into 43.

Bradman -> (6/30/2003 5:05:32 PM)
[QUOTE][I]Originally posted by Luskan[/I] [B] Does that make me the worst aussie player ?????? :( [/B] [/QUOTE] For the first time since hanging around on these boards I can actually answer a question with confidence! Not a chance Luskan, at least not while I am hacking my way through PBEMs....:(

Admiral DadMan -> Victory Conditions (6/30/2003 9:11:25 PM)
If my Opponent stops responding to me and therefore quits, but I'm behind on points, does that make me the winner?

Drex -> (6/30/2003 9:32:38 PM)
Yes it does. If your opponent surrenders (quits) then points are thrown out. Use the chess analogy: He has taken more pieces but you have checkmated him. He knows that in the time left to play you will overtake the point difference anyway.

Admiral DadMan -> (6/30/2003 9:48:43 PM)
"So if she weighs the same as a duck, then she's made of wood..." "And therefore..." "A WITCH!!!" "(It's a fair Court.)"

denisonh -> (6/30/2003 10:22:15 PM)
[QUOTE]Originally posted by Drex [B]Yes it does. If your opponent surrenders (quits) then points are thrown out. Use the chess analogy: He has taken more pieces but you have checkmated him. He knows that in the time left to play you will overtake the point difference anyway. [/B][/QUOTE] By that definition, I have 5 more wins!

Drex -> (6/30/2003 11:40:50 PM)
See, you're better than you think you are.

AmiralLaurent -> (7/1/2003 12:27:05 AM)
Drex, I don't know... it's sometimes like playing chess, taking some pawns and then your opponent goes to the closets and never come back. Never seen that (and I play in pubs with people I have often never seen before). I had someone quit a game and disappear after (because ?) he lost 4 US CV (and their airwings) in two battles in June-July 1942. At the time I had not attacked any big base. I had definetly not won this game yet, in fact I was more losing than anything: I had four CV and one CVL damaged enough to go back to Japan (> 50 SYS), it was a 100% IJN scen 17. Actually in the same time, I'm a worst position in an US PBEM regarding CV (but I sank enough TK and AO to slow down the Japanese juggernaut). I suffer but that is exciting. If your opponent quits after admitting defeat for this and that reason, it's a win. If he just disappears in the building phase of the game (5 first months) because he lost too much CV, it has just been a waste of time (or a training session).

Drex -> (7/1/2003 12:50:03 AM)
Amiral Laurent: let's leave the chess analogy for the moment. If your opponent picks up his marbles and goes home (how about this analogy?) then its because you have demoralized him and destroyed his will to fight. You have won a victory just as sure as if you went down to Dec 31,1943. It may not be as exciting or fun but its a victory none-the-less. When I lost my 5 CVS to Soulblazer in mid '42 and had to sent the 6th back to Pearl(where she still is in Oct.43) I was seriously demoralized and briefly considered quitting. But I soon overcame that feeling. Demoralization is an important factor in war and it is just another weapon in your arsenal.

Admiral DadMan -> (7/1/2003 1:01:06 AM)
[QUOTE]Originally posted by Drex [B]...Demoralization is an important factor in war and it is just another weapon in your arsenal. [/B][/QUOTE]Like "Shock and Awe"?

denisonh -> (7/1/2003 2:54:09 AM)
[QUOTE]Originally posted by AmiralLaurent [B]Drex, I don't know... it's sometimes like playing chess, taking some pawns and then your opponent goes to the closets and never come back. Never seen that (and I play in pubs with people I have often never seen before). I had someone quit a game and disappear after (because ?) he lost 4 US CV (and their airwings) in two battles in June-July 1942. At the time I had not attacked any big base. I had definetly not won this game yet, in fact I was more losing than anything: I had four CV and one CVL damaged enough to go back to Japan (> 50 SYS), it was a 100% IJN scen 17. Actually in the same time, I'm a worst position in an US PBEM regarding CV (but I sank enough TK and AO to slow down the Japanese juggernaut). I suffer but that is exciting. If your opponent quits after admitting defeat for this and that reason, it's a win. If he just disappears in the building phase of the game (5 first months) because he lost too much CV, it has just been a waste of time (or a training session). [/B][/QUOTE] I agree, but Drex has a point. In most sports, a forfeit is counted as a win. Quitting without conceeding is a forfeit. It is like going home at halftime because you are down 35-0 (American Football Analogy). If you don't count it as a win, it is definitely a loss. "Winners never quit, and quitters never win"

Mike_B20 -> (7/1/2003 3:12:21 AM)
A forfeit is a win...unless your opponent was just bored silly with UV but from experience that is highly unlikely. More likely an opponent quits for medical reasons, eg his doctor warning of an impending nervous breakdown, or possibly an opponent might quit due to a spouses threats. The most likely reason, IMHO, is an opponent quits because of heartbreak at seeing their favourite ships at the bottom of the Coral Sea.

msaario -> Re: Beer (7/1/2003 3:35:46 AM)
[QUOTE]Originally posted by Mogami [B]Hi, This is because beer makes you smart. (good beer does) Americans ether drink bad beer or no beer hence the poor performance. Myself I drink Pilsner Urquell (really good beer) or St. Pauli Girl (better then any American beer) I'll have to try an Aussie PBEM game to test this theory (If correct it should result in a hard fought exciting draw) [/B][/QUOTE] All beer is bad - hows that for an opener? One heck of a show, Raverdave! --Mikko

Drex -> (7/1/2003 5:11:00 AM)
[QUOTE]Originally posted by Admiral DadMan [B]Like "Shock and Awe"? [/B][/QUOTE] I mean real demoralization like in Gulf War I perhaps. Otherwise Shock And Awe was more like Schlock and Jaw.

Raverdave -> (7/1/2003 8:32:18 PM)
So I need to drink even MORE beer to beat my fellow Aussies more often? I don't know wether to laugh or cry about that.:confused:

Admiral DadMan -> (7/1/2003 8:38:30 PM)
[QUOTE]Originally posted by Drex [B]I mean real demoralization like in Gulf War I perhaps. Otherwise Shock And Awe was more like Schlock and Jaw. [/B][/QUOTE] Like surrendering to a CNN news crew...

Admiral DadMan -> Re: Beer (7/1/2003 8:40:24 PM)
[QUOTE]Originally posted by Mogami [B]Hi, This is because beer makes you smart...[/B][/QUOTE]or does it just make your opponent seem smart

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