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castor troy -> RE: AAR 1943 (7/5/2020 1:03:59 PM)
AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR Jul 27, 43 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Sub attack near Johnston Island at 157,107 Japanese Ships SS I-33, hits 11, and is sunk Allied Ships APD Little APD Humphreys, heavy damage DD Buchanan DD Monssen I-33 tried to engage another big convoy but was sunk... SS I-33 launches 2 torpedoes at APD Little I-33 diving deep .... DD Buchanan fails to find sub, continues to search... DD Buchanan fails to find sub, continues to search... DD Buchanan fails to find sub, continues to search... DD Buchanan attacking submerged sub .... SS I-33 forced to surface! DD Monssen firing on surfaced sub .... DD Monssen firing on surfaced sub .... DD Monssen firing on surfaced sub .... DD Monssen firing on surfaced sub .... DD Buchanan firing on surfaced sub .... DD Monssen firing on surfaced sub .... Sub slips beneath the waves -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- TF 204 encounters mine field at Roi-Namur (132,114) Allied Ships SS Grayback, Mine hits 1 IJN mines? Useless, ridicoulosly useless in the game... that's wrong, just wrong... why not delete them completely if you can't get it anywhere right?[:(] -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ASW attack near Addu at 9,49 Japanese Ships SS I-171, hits 6 I-171 is lucky to survive this attack... Allied Ships DD Relentless AKV Malancha xAP City of Durban xAP Wing Sang xAP Durban Castle xAK Chyebassa xAK Fultala DD Rotherham SS I-171 launches 4 torpedoes at DD Relentless DD Rotherham fails to find sub, continues to search... DD Rotherham fails to find sub, continues to search... DD Rotherham fails to find sub, continues to search... DD Rotherham attacking submerged sub .... DD Rotherham fails to find sub, continues to search... Escort abandons search for sub -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Afternoon Air attack on 53rd (Sep) Infantry Regiment, at 132,115 (Kwajalein Island) Weather in hex: Light cloud Raid spotted at 11 NM, estimated altitude 10,000 feet. Estimated time to target is 3 minutes Japanese aircraft Ki-49-IIa Helen x 30 No Japanese losses Allied ground losses: 512 casualties reported Squads: 5 destroyed, 8 disabled Non Combat: 11 destroyed, 28 disabled Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled Guns lost 3 (2 destroyed, 1 disabled) Aircraft Attacking: 15 x Ki-49-IIa Helen bombing from 6000 feet Ground Attack: 4 x 250 kg GP Bomb 15 x Ki-49-IIa Helen bombing from 6000 feet Ground Attack: 4 x 250 kg GP Bomb -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ASW attack near Ominato at 118,52 Japanese Ships xAK Nitiho Maru xAK Hokusei Maru xAK Kuwayama Maru SC CHa-28 Allied Ships SS Tullibee SS Tullibee is sighted by escort Tullibee diving deep .... SC CHa-28 fails to find sub, continues to search... SC CHa-28 fails to find sub, continues to search... SC CHa-28 fails to find sub, continues to search... SC CHa-28 fails to find sub, continues to search... SC CHa-28 fails to find sub, continues to search... Escort abandons search for sub -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Ground combat at Kwajalein Island (132,115) Japanese Bombardment attack Attacking force 5934 troops, 80 guns, 2 vehicles, Assault Value = 180 Defending force 5736 troops, 180 guns, 172 vehicles, Assault Value = 99 Allied ground losses: 111 casualties reported Squads: 1 destroyed, 10 disabled Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled Engineers: 1 destroyed, 2 disabled Assaulting units: 83rd Naval Guard Unit Sasebo 5th SNLF 23rd Nav Gd Unit Nimur Naval Fortress Defending units: 24th Infantry Division 53rd (Sep) Infantry Regiment 637th Tank Destroyer Battalion 34th Cmbt Engineer Regiment 198th Field Artillery Battalion 1st USMC Tank Battalion 138th(Sep) Infantry Regiment 30th Field Artillery Regiment 102nd Cmbt Engineer Regiment XIV US Corps 627th Tank Destroyer Battalion

castor troy -> RE: AAR 1943 (7/5/2020 1:06:56 PM)
AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR Jul 28, 43 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ASW attack near Djemadja at 53,84 Japanese Ships DD Hibiki DD Inazuma DD Ikazuchi Allied Ships SS Peto SS Peto is located by DD Hibiki Peto bottoming out .... DD Inazuma fails to find sub and abandons search DD Ikazuchi fails to find sub, continues to search... DD Ikazuchi fails to find sub, continues to search... DD Ikazuchi fails to find sub, continues to search... DD Ikazuchi fails to find sub, continues to search... DD Ikazuchi fails to find sub, continues to search... Escort abandons search for sub -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Sub attack near Hengchun at 85,68 Japanese Ships E W-11 E W-10 TK Arita Maru TK Gyoshin Maru TK Amato Maru TK Akane Maru TK Okigawa Maru TK Ceram Maru TK Kyoie Maru TK Manei Maru E W-22 E W-21 E W-20 E W-19 Allied Ships SS Sunfish, hits 1 one of my big tanker convoys... Captain of SS Sunfish elects not to launch torpedoes at this target E W-22 attacking submerged sub .... E W-21 fails to find sub and abandons search E W-20 fails to find sub, continues to search... E W-19 fails to find sub and abandons search E W-22 fails to find sub and abandons search E W-20 fails to find sub, continues to search... E W-20 fails to find sub, continues to search... E W-20 fails to find sub, continues to search... E W-20 fails to find sub, continues to search... E W-20 fails to find sub, continues to search... Escort abandons search for sub -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Sub attack near Addu at 13,49 Japanese Ships SS I-162 Allied Ships DD Rotherham xAP Macedon xAP Forafric xAP Benledi xAP Tak Sang xAK Empire Baxter xAK Jalaganga looks like IJN subs against even lightly escorted convoys aren't worth it anymore... literally no successes and every time the subs is in danger of being sunk... on the other hand mass employing subs like in the Marshalls resulted in three torp hits on carriers for only one sub sunk... should think about it if it's worth hunting convoys... SS I-162 launches 2 torpedoes at DD Rotherham I-162 diving deep .... DD Rotherham fails to find sub, continues to search... DD Rotherham fails to find sub, continues to search... DD Rotherham fails to find sub, continues to search... DD Rotherham fails to find sub, continues to search... DD Rotherham fails to find sub, continues to search... Escort abandons search for sub -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ASW attack near Djemadja at 53,84 Japanese Ships DD Isonami DD Shirakumo Allied Ships SS Peto SS Peto is located by DD Isonami DD Isonami fails to find sub and abandons search DD Shirakumo fails to find sub, continues to search... DD Shirakumo fails to find sub, continues to search... DD Shirakumo fails to find sub, continues to search... DD Shirakumo fails to find sub, continues to search... DD Shirakumo fails to find sub, continues to search... DD Shirakumo fails to find sub, continues to search... Escort abandons search for sub -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ASW attack near Addu at 16,49 Japanese Ships SS I-165, hits 1 Allied Ships DD Rotherham xAP Macedon xAP Birchbank xAP Varsova xAP Athlone Castle xAK Risaldar xAK Caithness three attempts for no result... SS I-165 launches 4 torpedoes at DD Rotherham I-165 diving deep .... DD Rotherham fails to find sub, continues to search... DD Rotherham fails to find sub, continues to search... DD Rotherham fails to find sub, continues to search... DD Rotherham attacking submerged sub .... DD Rotherham fails to find sub, continues to search... Escort abandons search for sub -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Morning Air attack on 138th(Sep) Infantry Regiment, at 132,115 (Kwajalein Island) Weather in hex: Heavy rain Raid spotted at 20 NM, estimated altitude 9,000 feet. Estimated time to target is 6 minutes Japanese aircraft Ki-49-IIa Helen x 27 No Japanese losses Allied ground losses: 294 casualties reported Squads: 1 destroyed, 0 disabled Non Combat: 5 destroyed, 42 disabled Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled Guns lost 9 (3 destroyed, 6 disabled) Vehicles lost 21 (2 destroyed, 19 disabled) Aircraft Attacking: 21 x Ki-49-IIa Helen bombing from 6000 feet Ground Attack: 4 x 250 kg GP Bomb 6 x Ki-49-IIa Helen bombing from 6000 feet Ground Attack: 4 x 250 kg GP Bomb Also attacking 1st USMC Tank Battalion ... Also attacking 30th Field Artillery Regiment ... Also attacking 138th(Sep) Infantry Regiment ... -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Morning Air attack on 138th(Sep) Infantry Regiment, at 132,115 (Kwajalein Island) Weather in hex: Heavy rain Raid spotted at 20 NM, estimated altitude 11,000 feet. Estimated time to target is 6 minutes Japanese aircraft Ki-49-IIa Helen x 21 No Japanese losses Allied ground losses: 375 casualties reported Squads: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled Non Combat: 12 destroyed, 22 disabled Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled Vehicles lost 4 (4 destroyed, 0 disabled) Aircraft Attacking: 21 x Ki-49-IIa Helen bombing from 6000 feet Ground Attack: 4 x 250 kg GP Bomb Also attacking XIV US Corps ... Also attacking 138th(Sep) Infantry Regiment ... Also attacking XIV US Corps ... Also attacking 138th(Sep) Infantry Regiment ... -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Morning Air attack on XIV US Corps, at 132,115 (Kwajalein Island) Weather in hex: Heavy rain Raid spotted at 12 NM, estimated altitude 9,000 feet. Estimated time to target is 3 minutes Japanese aircraft Ki-49-IIa Helen x 6 No Japanese losses Allied ground losses: 23 casualties reported Squads: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 2 disabled Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled Aircraft Attacking: 6 x Ki-49-IIa Helen bombing from 6000 feet Ground Attack: 4 x 250 kg GP Bomb -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Ground combat at Kwajalein Island (132,115) Japanese Bombardment attack Attacking force 5985 troops, 80 guns, 2 vehicles, Assault Value = 184 Defending force 5011 troops, 175 guns, 162 vehicles, Assault Value = 88 Allied ground losses: 36 casualties reported Squads: 2 destroyed, 1 disabled Non Combat: 3 destroyed, 0 disabled Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled Vehicles lost 4 (4 destroyed, 0 disabled) Assaulting units: Sasebo 5th SNLF 83rd Naval Guard Unit 23rd Nav Gd Unit Nimur Naval Fortress Defending units: 24th Infantry Division 53rd (Sep) Infantry Regiment 637th Tank Destroyer Battalion 34th Cmbt Engineer Regiment 1st USMC Tank Battalion XIV US Corps 198th Field Artillery Battalion 138th(Sep) Infantry Regiment 102nd Cmbt Engineer Regiment 30th Field Artillery Regiment 627th Tank Destroyer Battalion

castor troy -> RE: AAR 1943 (7/5/2020 1:41:59 PM)
AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR Jul 29, 43 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Sub attack near Bikini at 129,112 Japanese Ships PB Sobun Maru PB Shunsei Maru PB Yaryu Maru PB Wafu Maru PB Tatsui Maru Allied Ships SS Tunny as soon as the Helens on Roi Namur aren't needed for ground attacks anymore I'm going to move in a couple of ASW units to bomb those pesky subs in the Marshalls... SS Tunny launches 2 torpedoes at PB Sobun Maru PB Yaryu Maru fails to find sub and abandons search PB Wafu Maru fails to find sub, continues to search... PB Tatsui Maru fails to find sub and abandons search PB Wafu Maru fails to find sub, continues to search... PB Wafu Maru fails to find sub, continues to search... PB Wafu Maru fails to find sub, continues to search... PB Wafu Maru fails to find sub, continues to search... PB Wafu Maru fails to find sub, continues to search... Escort abandons search for sub -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ASW attack near Djemadja at 53,84 Japanese Ships DD Inazuma DD Ikazuchi Allied Ships SS Peto, hits 3 3 near misses to keep them honest... SS Peto is located by DD Inazuma Peto bottoming out .... DD Inazuma attacking submerged sub .... DD Ikazuchi fails to find sub, continues to search... DD Inazuma fails to find sub and abandons search DD Ikazuchi fails to find sub, continues to search... DD Ikazuchi attacking submerged sub .... DD Ikazuchi is out of ASW ammo DD Ikazuchi is out of ASW ammo DD Ikazuchi is out of ASW ammo DD Ikazuchi is out of ASW ammo DD Ikazuchi fails to find sub, continues to search... DD Ikazuchi fails to find sub, continues to search... DD Ikazuchi attacking submerged sub .... DD Ikazuchi is out of ASW ammo DD Ikazuchi is out of ASW ammo DD Ikazuchi is out of ASW ammo DD Ikazuchi is out of ASW ammo Escort abandons search for sub -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Morning Air attack on 24th Infantry Division, at 132,115 (Kwajalein Island) Weather in hex: Partial cloud Raid spotted at 20 NM, estimated altitude 8,000 feet. Estimated time to target is 6 minutes Japanese aircraft Ki-49-IIa Helen x 27 No Japanese losses Allied ground losses: 228 casualties reported Squads: 3 destroyed, 19 disabled Non Combat: 4 destroyed, 6 disabled Engineers: 0 destroyed, 4 disabled Guns lost 11 (2 destroyed, 9 disabled) Vehicles lost 4 (2 destroyed, 2 disabled) Aircraft Attacking: 21 x Ki-49-IIa Helen bombing from 6000 feet Ground Attack: 4 x 250 kg GP Bomb 6 x Ki-49-IIa Helen bombing from 6000 feet Ground Attack: 4 x 250 kg GP Bomb Also attacking 138th(Sep) Infantry Rgt /1 ... Also attacking 24th Infantry Div /3 ... -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Morning Air attack on 24th Infantry Division, at 132,115 (Kwajalein Island) Weather in hex: Partial cloud Raid spotted at 20 NM, estimated altitude 8,000 feet. Estimated time to target is 6 minutes Japanese aircraft Ki-49-IIa Helen x 27 No Japanese losses Allied ground losses: 105 casualties reported Squads: 3 destroyed, 8 disabled Non Combat: 1 destroyed, 1 disabled Engineers: 1 destroyed, 0 disabled Vehicles lost 1 (1 destroyed, 0 disabled) Aircraft Attacking: 21 x Ki-49-IIa Helen bombing from 6000 feet Ground Attack: 4 x 250 kg GP Bomb 6 x Ki-49-IIa Helen bombing from 6000 feet Ground Attack: 4 x 250 kg GP Bomb -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Ground combat at Kwajalein Island (132,115) [image]local://upfiles/13774/FC2282D50C884C49AD722D94857391C3.jpg[/image] Japanese Deliberate attack Attacking force 6017 troops, 80 guns, 2 vehicles, Assault Value = 185 Defending force 4570 troops, 165 guns, 151 vehicles, Assault Value = 57 Japanese adjusted assault: 41 Allied adjusted defense: 3 [X(] Japanese assault odds: 13 to 1 [&o] Combat modifiers Defender: disruption(-), fatigue(-), supply(-) Attacker: Japanese ground losses: 869 casualties reported Squads: 7 destroyed, 96 disabled Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 7 disabled Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled Guns lost 19 (1 destroyed, 18 disabled) Allied ground losses: 5299 casualties reported Squads: 220 destroyed, 0 disabled Non Combat: 448 destroyed, 0 disabled Engineers: 21 destroyed, 0 disabled Guns lost 156 (156 destroyed, 0 disabled) Vehicles lost 126 (126 destroyed, 0 disabled) Units destroyed 11 WOW! Enemy troops that were stuck on the beaches on Kwajalein get a horrible adjusted av and their morale must have been extremely bad already (no suprise) and the enemy is pushed back into the Sea... that's the last major victory in our defense of the Marshall Islands, I'd call it a full success even if we lost two or our precious heavy cruisers... Assaulting units: Sasebo 5th SNLF 83rd Naval Guard Unit 23rd Nav Gd Unit Nimur Naval Fortress Defending units: 637th Tank Destroyer Battalion 53rd (Sep) Infantry Regiment 24th Infantry Div /3 30th Field Artillery Regiment 198th Field Artillery Battalion 102nd Cmbt Engineer Regiment 627th Tank Destroyer Battalion 138th(Sep) Infantry Rgt /1 34th Cmbt Engineer Regiment XIV US Corps /11 1st USMC Tank Bn /5

castor troy -> RE: AAR 1943 (7/5/2020 1:47:15 PM)
AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR Aug 01, 43 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- TF 204 encounters mine field at Roi-Namur (132,114) Allied Ships SS Grayback, Mine hits 1 [:o][8\|] the only reason I post today's combat report is the fact that Grayback has hit a second mine today and she still doesn't show up as heavily damaged nor would the sub sink of course... really, it might seem different but I don't like using words like silly, stupid, ridicoulos or the like but the way mines (IJN that is) are modelled in the game is nothing but total bullshit... a USN sub that hits two mines within a couple of days, not being sunk is just idiotic when you think how it works in the game... this sub can still submerge and sink one of your carriers... idiotic...[8\|] to sink a sub it takes at least three or four 250kg bomb hits, preferrable three 500kg bombs from Judies on ASW... of course this has also to do with the mod that has greatly reduced bomb damage but why on Earth is no one going the direction of just reducing bomb hits instead of having it as unrealistic as this?[&:]

castor troy -> RE: AAR 1943 (7/5/2020 2:00:58 PM)
AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR Aug 02, 43 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ASW attack near Addu at 18,49 Japanese Ships SS I-162, hits 2 Allied Ships DD Rotherham AKV Malancha xAP Macedon xAP Forafric xAP Benledi xAP Tak Sang xAK Itinda xAK Empire Baxter xAK Jalaganga a single Brit DD is enough to make any attacks pointless... SS I-162 launches 2 torpedoes at DD Rotherham I-162 diving deep .... DD Rotherham fails to find sub, continues to search... DD Rotherham fails to find sub, continues to search... DD Rotherham attacking submerged sub .... DD Rotherham attacking submerged sub .... DD Rotherham fails to find sub, continues to search... Escort abandons search for sub -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ASW attack near Addu at 16,49 Japanese Ships SS I-162 Allied Ships AKV Malancha xAP Macedon xAP Forafric xAP Benledi xAP Tak Sang xAK Itinda xAK Empire Baxter xAK Jalaganga DD Rotherham another unsuccesful attack but the DD ran out of depth charges at least... SS I-162 is sighted by escort DD Rotherham fails to find sub, continues to search... DD Rotherham fails to find sub, continues to search... DD Rotherham fails to find sub, continues to search... DD Rotherham fails to find sub, continues to search... DD Rotherham attacking submerged sub .... DD Rotherham is out of ASW ammo DD Rotherham is out of ASW ammo DD Rotherham is out of ASW ammo Escort abandons search for sub

castor troy -> RE: AAR 1943 (7/5/2020 2:01:34 PM)
AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR Aug 03, 43 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ASW attack near Addu at 12,49 Japanese Ships SS I-30, hits 1 Allied Ships xAP Macedon xAP Forafric xAP Benledi xAP Tak Sang xAK Itinda xAK Empire Baxter xAK Jalaganga DD Relentless more of the same... SS I-30 is sighted by escort I-30 diving deep .... DD Relentless attacking submerged sub .... DD Relentless fails to find sub, continues to search... DD Relentless attacking submerged sub .... SS I-30 eludes DD Relentless by diving deep DD Relentless fails to find sub, continues to search... DD Relentless attacking submerged sub .... Escort abandons search for sub

castor troy -> RE: AAR 1943 (7/5/2020 2:02:35 PM)
AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR Aug 04, 43 we're back into these days where nothing at all is happening... US Navy admitted the loss of CV Hornet today [image]local://upfiles/13774/13A4195456DE40C5AD4F20E558C4E70F.jpg[/image]

castor troy -> RE: AAR 1943 (7/5/2020 2:03:55 PM)
AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR Aug 07, 43 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Submarine attack near North Male at 13,42 Japanese Ships SS I-19 Allied Ships TK Marina, Torpedo hits 1, heavy fires, heavy damage TK Marina is sighted by SS I-19 SS I-19 launches 4 torpedoes at TK Marina -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Submarine attack near North Male at 13,42 Japanese Ships SS I-19 Allied Ships TK Egero, Torpedo hits 2, heavy fires, heavy damage I-19 is enroute to her patrol area when she runs into a tanker convoy sinking one... TK Egero is sighted by SS I-19 SS I-19 launches 4 torpedoes at TK Egero [image]local://upfiles/13774/6395F788596448FEBB66045EAABF086E.jpg[/image]

castor troy -> RE: AAR 1943 (7/5/2020 2:05:19 PM)
AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR Aug 11, 43 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ASW attack near Tioman Island at 52,84 Japanese Ships DD Hatsuyuki DD Shirayuki Allied Ships SS Tambor SS Tambor is sighted by escort Tambor bottoming out .... DD Hatsuyuki fails to find sub and abandons search DD Shirayuki fails to find sub, continues to search... DD Shirayuki fails to find sub, continues to search... DD Shirayuki fails to find sub, continues to search... DD Shirayuki fails to find sub, continues to search... DD Shirayuki fails to find sub, continues to search... Escort abandons search for sub -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Sub attack near Addu at 10,49 [image]local://upfiles/13774/F9CDEA3CB5DA4E508B907EE30EE55AAA.jpg[/image] Japanese Ships SS I-19, hits 8 Allied Ships xAK Ethiopia, Torpedo hits 1, on fire xAK Cairo City xAK Admiral Chase xAK Jalarashmi xAK Jalabala KV Freesia big freighter convoy going to Ceylon as Mundy seems to further build up stuff there with convoys going in and out on a regular basis... only one KV as escort but the attack is close to suizide for the sub... SS I-19 launches 2 torpedoes at xAK Ethiopia I-19 diving deep .... KV Freesia fails to find sub, continues to search... KV Freesia attacking submerged sub .... KV Freesia fails to find sub, continues to search... KV Freesia fails to find sub, continues to search... KV Freesia attacking submerged sub .... Escort abandons search for sub -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ASW attack near Tioman Island at 52,84 Japanese Ships DD Akatsuki DD Inazuma DD Ikazuchi Allied Ships SS Tambor, hits 3 SS Tambor is located by DD Akatsuki DD Inazuma fails to find sub and abandons search DD Ikazuchi fails to find sub, continues to search... DD Ikazuchi fails to find sub, continues to search... DD Ikazuchi fails to find sub, continues to search... DD Ikazuchi fails to find sub, continues to search... DD Ikazuchi attacking submerged sub .... DD Ikazuchi fails to find sub, continues to search... Escort abandons search for sub -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ASW attack near Tioman Island at 52,84 Japanese Ships DD Isonami DD Hatsuyuki DD Shirayuki Allied Ships SS Tambor SS Tambor is located by DD Isonami Tambor bottoming out .... DD Hatsuyuki fails to find sub and abandons search DD Shirayuki fails to find sub, continues to search... DD Shirayuki fails to find sub, continues to search... DD Shirayuki fails to find sub, continues to search... Escort abandons search for sub -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ASW attack near Tioman Island at 52,84 Japanese Ships DD Inazuma DD Ikazuchi Allied Ships SS Tambor SS Tambor is sighted by escort Tambor bottoming out .... DD Inazuma fails to find sub, continues to search... DD Ikazuchi fails to find sub, continues to search... DD Inazuma fails to find sub and abandons search DD Ikazuchi fails to find sub, continues to search... DD Ikazuchi fails to find sub, continues to search... DD Ikazuchi fails to find sub, continues to search... Escort abandons search for sub

castor troy -> RE: AAR 1943 (7/5/2020 2:07:31 PM)
AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR Aug 12, 43 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ASW attack near Singapore at 51,84 Japanese Ships DD Akatsuki DD Inazuma DD Ikazuchi Allied Ships SS Tambor, hits 7 hit and six near misses, damage must be slowly accumulating... SS Tambor launches 2 torpedoes at DD Akatsuki DD Inazuma attacking submerged sub .... DD Ikazuchi fails to find sub and abandons search DD Inazuma attacking submerged sub .... DD Inazuma is out of ASW ammo DD Inazuma is out of ASW ammo DD Inazuma is out of ASW ammo DD Inazuma is out of ASW ammo DD Inazuma fails to find sub, continues to search... DD Inazuma fails to find sub, continues to search... DD Inazuma fails to find sub, continues to search... Escort abandons search for sub -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Submarine attack near Addu at 13,49 Japanese Ships SS I-165 Allied Ships xAK Ethiopia, Torpedo hits 1, on fire, heavy damage Ethiopia was splitt off the convoy and sunk by another attack... xAK Ethiopia is sighted by SS I-165 SS I-165 launches 2 torpedoes -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ASW attack near Tandjoengpinang at 51,85 Japanese Ships DD Hatsuyuki DD Shirayuki Allied Ships SS Tambor, hits 7, heavy damage Tambor takes another hit and several near misses... SS Tambor launches 4 torpedoes at DD Hatsuyuki Tambor bottoming out .... DD Hatsuyuki fails to find sub, continues to search... DD Shirayuki fails to find sub and abandons search DD Hatsuyuki fails to find sub, continues to search... DD Hatsuyuki fails to find sub, continues to search... DD Hatsuyuki fails to find sub, continues to search... DD Hatsuyuki attacking submerged sub .... DD Hatsuyuki fails to find sub, continues to search... Escort abandons search for sub

castor troy -> RE: AAR 1943 (7/8/2020 7:06:51 PM)
AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR Aug 18, 43 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Sub attack near Pagan at 113,92 Japanese Ships xAK Tazima Maru PB Okuyo Maru xAK Montreal Maru xAK Hauraki Maru xAK Bordeaux Maru xAK Atlas Maru xAK Tokiwa Maru xAK Lyons Maru PB Yomei Maru PB Yamabato Maru PB Tokati Maru PB Santos Maru Allied Ships SS Guardfish big supply convoy carrying nearly 100k tons of supply for Truk... there are 12 escorts... useless against an earlier spotted sub... SS Guardfish launches 2 torpedoes at xAK Tazima Maru Guardfish diving deep .... PB Yomei Maru fails to find sub, continues to search... PB Yamabato Maru fails to find sub and abandons search PB Tokati Maru fails to find sub, continues to search... PB Santos Maru attacking submerged sub .... PB Yomei Maru fails to find sub, continues to search... PB Tokati Maru fails to find sub and abandons search PB Santos Maru fails to find sub and abandons search PB Yomei Maru fails to find sub, continues to search... PB Yomei Maru fails to find sub, continues to search... PB Yomei Maru fails to find sub, continues to search... PB Yomei Maru fails to find sub, continues to search... Escort abandons search for sub -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Morning Air attack on Horn Island , at 91,128 Weather in hex: Thunderstorms Raid spotted at 20 NM, estimated altitude 37,000 feet. Estimated time to target is 4 minutes Japanese aircraft Ki-84a Frank x 4 Allied aircraft P-40K Warhawk x 14 No Japanese losses Allied aircraft losses P-40K Warhawk: 1 destroyed in all those years I have never received an answer or at least any info about what the hell the air team was thinking when we see 10% of each sweep coming in as a silly fragment all the time... what a non working routine that is... couple it with the all deciding dive and 4 Franks dive on helpless Warhawks and trash them... CAP engaged: 49th FG/8th FS with P-40K Warhawk (0 airborne, 10 on standby, 0 scrambling) 10 plane(s) intercepting now. 0 plane(s) not yet engaged, 4 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact. Group patrol altitude is 25000 Time for all group planes to reach interception is 1 minutes -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Morning Air attack on Horn Island , at 91,128 Weather in hex: Thunderstorms Raid spotted at 13 NM, estimated altitude 32,000 feet. Estimated time to target is 3 minutes Japanese aircraft Ki-84a Frank x 37 Allied aircraft P-40K Warhawk x 10 No Japanese losses Allied aircraft losses P-40K Warhawk: 3 destroyed Aircraft Attacking: 35 x Ki-84a Frank sweeping at 31000 feet * here's the rest of the Franks... all that counts in the air routine is the dive, it has never changed... never... get the alt advantage, win... the hapless Warhawks can't even reach that high and are chanceless, we get a 9:0 in kills... CAP engaged: 49th FG/8th FS with P-40K Warhawk (0 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling) 10 plane(s) not yet engaged, 0 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact. Group patrol altitude is 25000 , scrambling fighters between 25000 and 29000. Time for all group planes to reach interception is 56 minutes [image]local://upfiles/13774/385C10C57AAD422083C5EFF5DE535FBC.jpg[/image]

RangerJoe -> RE: AAR 1943 (7/8/2020 7:25:46 PM)
If you are sweeping that high, those P-40s should go very low or stagger them if possible.

castor troy -> RE: AAR 1943 (7/8/2020 7:28:55 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: RangerJoe If you are sweeping that high, those P-40s should go very low or stagger them if possible. it wouldn't help them, it wouldn't matter even if they were at 1k because they suffer from the dive without it ending, no matter if from 31k to 30k or from 31k to 1k... 10ft higher and you get the dive

RangerJoe -> RE: AAR 1943 (7/8/2020 9:08:08 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: castor troy quote: ORIGINAL: RangerJoe If you are sweeping that high, those P-40s should go very low or stagger them if possible. it wouldn't help them, it wouldn't matter even if they were at 1k because they suffer from the dive without it ending, no matter if from 31k to 30k or from 31k to 1k... 10ft higher and you get the dive But then there may be no combat or for not as long.

PaxMondo -> RE: AAR 1943 (7/9/2020 3:17:25 AM)
Well, I think more than the dive, but not knowing the allied CAP hard to say. But with appropriate staggering, they should be able to lower their losses. Having said that, the Frank far out reaches the P40: faster, more manouvrable, better climb, � Castor is just ranting here � he knows there is more than the dive else he would begin losing in mid'43 to the F4U and P47/P38 � but he doesn't, so clearly there is more than the dive. as well he knows ... [;)]

castor troy -> RE: AAR 1943 (7/9/2020 6:31:53 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: PaxMondo Well, I think more than the dive, but not knowing the allied CAP hard to say. But with appropriate staggering, they should be able to lower their losses. Having said that, the Frank far out reaches the P40: faster, more manouvrable, better climb, � Castor is just ranting here � he knows there is more than the dive else he would begin losing in mid'43 to the F4U and P47/P38 � but he doesn't, so clearly there is more than the dive. as well he knows ... [;)] never said there isn't anything else than the dive, I'm always saying the dive is the most important. Well knowing that people then came up saying a Nate diving on a P-47 still doesn't win. If that wouldn't be the case, why is every PBEM seeking to win the altitude race? As to the engagement above, hard to stager the CAP with a single squadron on CAP.

Lowpe -> RE: AAR 1943 (7/9/2020 7:21:07 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: castor troy If that wouldn't be the case, why is every PBEM seeking to win the altitude race? I have never, ever tried to win the altitude race.[:)] I rank many things over the dive speed, maneuver, guns, pilot training, leadership, radar, tactics.

RangerJoe -> RE: AAR 1943 (7/9/2020 9:48:19 PM)
Split the unit into thirds, each with a different but complimentary altitude.

PaxMondo -> RE: AAR 1943 (7/10/2020 11:38:32 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Lowpe quote: ORIGINAL: castor troy If that wouldn't be the case, why is every PBEM seeking to win the altitude race? I have never, ever tried to win the altitude race.[:)] I rank many things over the dive speed, maneuver, guns, pilot training, leadership, radar, tactics. Eric would agree with this I believe as well. The counter(s) to the dive are both numerous, well developed, and highly successful. Proving once again how robust the ACM the Ian developed truly is. The race to altitude has been quite over now for 3 or 4 years �

castor troy -> RE: AAR 1943 (7/11/2020 1:09:15 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Lowpe quote: ORIGINAL: castor troy If that wouldn't be the case, why is every PBEM seeking to win the altitude race? I have never, ever tried to win the altitude race.[:)] I rank many things over the dive speed, maneuver, guns, pilot training, leadership, radar, tactics. No. That's only true if you compare apples and oranges. P-47 flown by a 80 skilled pilot vs a Nate flown by a 30 skilled replacement rookie? Wow, the P-47 wins high without having the dive. If you don't compare apples and oranges and have equal aircraft x and y flown by equal pilot x and y the one that get's the dive wins. It doesn't win by a margin, it's winning huge. If you haven't tried to win the altitude race then you have either took more losses than you should or you have scored less kills than you should. Of course all is fine if your opponent(s) aren't trying to go high either and you all meet at 10000ft. The dive in the so called airroutine is way overrated to what the bounce was in real life. I'm not saying it shouldn't be a real advantage but turning something like a 2-4:1 kill rate into ranges of 8-10:1 due to the dive is ridicoulos.

castor troy -> RE: AAR 1943 (7/11/2020 1:13:25 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: RangerJoe Split the unit into thirds, each with a different but complimentary altitude. Lol, why did I know that this would be the answer? Splitting a single squadron into 9/9/9 and you think it would have turned that massacre into something like an okayish outcome? Serious? It would be Frank diving on Warhawk from unit A then unit B then unit C. The thing like layered CAP is something that only works when you have numbers. And now hold on. Doing tests the difference was minimal (although notable) when having layered CAP and non layered CAP against sweeps. What's the most important thing in the end? Grigsby Game... NUMBERS... as soon as the numbers are high enough the strato sweep finally ends and the "xy firing from behind BOOOM BOOOM BOOOM thing" stops and turns into reasonable outcomes. Delete that dive from the airroutine ten years ago (when they finally admitted something was wrong after so many years of complaining) and you get reasonable outcomes and not those silly loops.

castor troy -> RE: AAR 1943 (7/11/2020 1:14:10 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: PaxMondo quote: ORIGINAL: Lowpe quote: ORIGINAL: castor troy If that wouldn't be the case, why is every PBEM seeking to win the altitude race? I have never, ever tried to win the altitude race.[:)] I rank many things over the dive speed, maneuver, guns, pilot training, leadership, radar, tactics. Eric would agree with this I believe as well. The counter(s) to the dive are both numerous, well developed, and highly successful. Proving once again how robust the ACM the Ian developed truly is. The race to altitude has been quite over now for 3 or 4 years � totally disagree here. Othern than The Elf admitting that something was wrong (after years of playing one of the three monkeys) there was never a change.[&:]

castor troy -> RE: AAR 1943 (7/11/2020 1:22:02 PM)
AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR Aug 20, 43 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Submarine attack near North Male at 23,48 Japanese Ships SS I-171 Allied Ships LST 9, Shell hits 6, Torpedo hits 1, heavy fires, heavy damage unescorted LST going towards Ceylon is sunk by one of our patrolling subs there... LST 9 is sighted by SS I-171 SS I-171 attacking on the surface -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Sub attack near Shimushiri-jima at 131,51 Japanese Ships xAK Tokusima Maru, Torpedo hits 1, on fire, heavy damage SC CHa-38 SC CHa-7 SC CHa-26 SC CHa-15 Allied Ships SS Blackfish USN gets a revenge though... SS Blackfish launches 2 torpedoes at xAK Tokusima Maru SC CHa-26 fails to find sub and abandons search SC CHa-15 fails to find sub, continues to search... SC CHa-15 fails to find sub, continues to search... SC CHa-15 attacking submerged sub .... SC CHa-15 is out of ASW ammo SC CHa-15 fails to find sub, continues to search... SC CHa-15 fails to find sub, continues to search... Escort abandons search for sub

castor troy -> RE: AAR 1943 (7/11/2020 1:26:12 PM)
AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR Aug 21, 43 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Morning Air attack on Horn Island , at 91,128 Weather in hex: Heavy rain Raid spotted at 19 NM, estimated altitude 32,000 feet. Estimated time to target is 4 minutes Japanese aircraft Ki-84a Frank x 35 Allied aircraft P-47D2 Thunderbolt x 24 Japanese aircraft losses Ki-84a Frank: 4 destroyed Allied aircraft losses P-47D2 Thunderbolt: 1 destroyed and here we are... perfectly suiting above's discussion about the altitude race, dive idiocy or whatever you wanna call it as we have the Warhawks at 25000ft replaced with Thuds at strato altitude higher than the Franks could ever reach... result is easy, the dive, the dive, the dive, the dive, the dive, the dive, the dive, the dive, the dive, the dive until some 9 or 10 Franks are hit until the dive ENDED... guess what! Without the dive the 10:0 for the Thuds turned into a 1:1 with another three hits on the Franks and three dead Thunderbolts... no, the dive isn't the most important thing, it sure isn't... [8\|] CAP engaged: 348th FG/341st FS with P-47D2 Thunderbolt (4 airborne, 12 on standby, 7 scrambling) 16 plane(s) intercepting now. 0 plane(s) not yet engaged, 1 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact. Group patrol altitude is 37000 [>:][>:][>:] Time for all group planes to reach interception is 19 minutes [image]local://upfiles/13774/9D3525FA69164B3182A5E2D32584F468.jpg[/image]

castor troy -> RE: AAR 1943 (7/11/2020 1:38:49 PM)
AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR Aug 22, 43 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Morning Air attack on Horn Island , at 91,128 Weather in hex: Heavy cloud Raid spotted at 37 NM, estimated altitude 23,000 feet. Estimated time to target is 10 minutes Japanese aircraft N1K2-J George x 30 Allied aircraft P-47D2 Thunderbolt x 13 Japanese aircraft losses N1K2-J George: 2 destroyed Allied aircraft losses P-47D2 Thunderbolt: 2 destroyed the reason for my sweep(s) are several small convoys going to Horn Island and today we have also ordered the bombers to participate... first the sweeps... feeling like a scratched vinyl record... [>:][8\|] the Georges show up, the P-47 still at max alt... must be a bad idea of Mundy? no it isn't... they get the DIVE... result? Couple of Georges shot down... dive ENDS as 13 P-47 aren't just enough to keep diving on 2,5 times more Georges and voila, we start downing some Thuds... remember my comment above? Grigsby Game? Numbers? CAP engaged: 348th FG/341st FS with P-47D2 Thunderbolt (0 airborne, 6 on standby, 4 scrambling) 6 plane(s) intercepting now. 0 plane(s) not yet engaged, 3 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact. Group patrol altitude is 37000 Time for all group planes to reach interception is 26 minutes -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Morning Air attack on Horn Island , at 91,128 Weather in hex: Heavy cloud Raid spotted at 30 NM, estimated altitude 22,000 feet. Estimated time to target is 8 minutes Japanese aircraft N1K2-J George x 9 Allied aircraft P-47D2 Thunderbolt x 4 No Japanese losses Allied aircraft losses P-47D2 Thunderbolt: 1 destroyed NO dive for the Thuds... they suffer... Aircraft Attacking: 1 x N1K2-J George sweeping at 20000 feet CAP engaged: 348th FG/341st FS with P-47D2 Thunderbolt (0 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling) 4 plane(s) not yet engaged, 0 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact. Group patrol altitude is 37000 , scrambling fighters between 25072 and 29072. Time for all group planes to reach interception is 181 minutes -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Morning Air attack on Horn Island , at 91,128 Weather in hex: Heavy cloud Raid spotted at 43 NM, estimated altitude 34,000 feet. Estimated time to target is 12 minutes Japanese aircraft N1K2-J George x 9 No Japanese losses Aircraft Attacking: 9 x N1K2-J George sweeping at 31000 feet -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Morning Air attack on Horn Island , at 91,128 Weather in hex: Heavy cloud Raid spotted at 14 NM, estimated altitude 35,000 feet. Estimated time to target is 4 minutes Japanese aircraft N1K2-J George x 42 No Japanese losses Aircraft Attacking: 42 x N1K2-J George sweeping at 31000 feet * -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Morning Air attack on TF, near Horn Island at 91,128 Weather in hex: Heavy cloud Raid spotted at 19 NM, estimated altitude 4,000 feet. Estimated time to target is 5 minutes Japanese aircraft Ki-49-IIa Helen x 15 Ki-84a Frank x 12 Japanese aircraft losses Ki-84a Frank: 1 destroyed Allied Ships xAKL De Klerk xAKL Coolana xAKL Mulcra xAKL Patras, Bomb hits 1, on fire xAKL Noora, Bomb hits 2, heavy fires, heavy damage that was great, the training squadron then participated downing a Frank... well, yes... P-40K diving on Frank, shooting from behind... boom, dead... in my previous games I always used the IJNAF bombers on low nav strikes 1000ft where they only carried halve their bombload and had some good results... in this game I decided to train them on nav bombing at 2-3000ft to see them carrying their full bomb load as I thought they would do even better but the result is totally disappointing... 15 Kates at 3000ft dropping two bombs each would annihilate such a convoy, the Helens (all 70 nav skill) score 3 hits out of 60 bombs... Aircraft Attacking: 15 x Ki-49-IIa Helen bombing from 3000 feet Naval Attack: 4 x 250 kg SAP Bomb CAP engaged: 49th FG/8th FS with P-40K Warhawk (3 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling) 3 plane(s) intercepting now. Group patrol altitude is 25000 , scrambling fighters between 0 and 25000. Raid is overhead Training flight from 49th FG/8th FS has been caught up in attack Heavy smoke from fires obscuring xAKL Noora -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Morning Air attack on TF, near Horn Island at 91,128 Weather in hex: Heavy cloud Raid spotted at 20 NM, estimated altitude 6,000 feet. Estimated time to target is 6 minutes Japanese aircraft Ki-49-IIa Helen x 34 Ki-84a Frank x 60 Allied aircraft P-40K Warhawk x 1 No Japanese losses No Allied losses Allied Ships AM Katoomba xAKL Luzon xAKL Sinabang PC Melinga, Bomb hits 1, heavy fires xAKL Mulcra xAP Perak, Bomb hits 1, heavy fires, heavy damage PC Carroo AM Townsville xAKL Kindur xAKL Mulubinda xAP Kedah Allied ground losses: 70 casualties reported Squads: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled Non Combat: 3 destroyed, 1 disabled Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled weather is ok for bombing but the Helens just suck... 2 hits out of 136 bombs? looks like training all my bomber crews on nav bomb was wrong which would totally hamper my efforts... Aircraft Attacking: 16 x Ki-49-IIa Helen bombing from 3000 feet Naval Attack: 4 x 250 kg SAP Bomb 18 x Ki-49-IIa Helen bombing from 3000 feet Naval Attack: 4 x 250 kg SAP Bomb CAP engaged: 49th FG/8th FS with P-40K Warhawk (0 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling) 1 plane(s) not yet engaged, 0 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact. Group patrol altitude is 25000 , scrambling fighters to 8000. Time for all group planes to reach interception is 54 minutes Heavy smoke from fires obscuring PC Melinga -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Morning Air attack on TF, near Horn Island at 91,128 Weather in hex: Heavy cloud Raid spotted at 38 NM, estimated altitude 5,000 feet. Estimated time to target is 11 minutes Japanese aircraft Ki-49-IIa Helen x 9 Allied aircraft P-40K Warhawk x 1 No Japanese losses No Allied losses Allied Ships xAKL Noora, Bomb hits 1, heavy fires, heavy damage xAKL Matthew Flinders PC Comara seeing only that dozen P-47 on CAP I thought we would wreck havoc on the enemy convoys as I had 81 bombers ordered to attack but the outcome is nothing but totally disappointing... can lower the alt by another 1000ft but that's it... Aircraft Attacking: 9 x Ki-49-IIa Helen bombing from 3000 feet Naval Attack: 4 x 250 kg SAP Bomb CAP engaged: 49th FG/8th FS with P-40K Warhawk (1 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling) 1 plane(s) intercepting now. Group patrol altitude is 25000 , scrambling fighters to 9000. Raid is overhead Heavy smoke from fires obscuring xAKL Noora -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Morning Air attack on Horn Island , at 91,128 Weather in hex: Heavy cloud Raid spotted at 20 NM, estimated altitude 34,000 feet. Estimated time to target is 6 minutes Japanese aircraft N1K2-J George x 28 Allied aircraft P-40K Warhawk x 1 No Japanese losses No Allied losses Aircraft Attacking: 28 x N1K2-J George sweeping at 31000 feet CAP engaged: 49th FG/8th FS with P-40K Warhawk (0 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling) 1 plane(s) not yet engaged, 0 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact. Group patrol altitude is 25000 , scrambling fighters to 3000. Time for all group planes to reach interception is 12 minutes -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Afternoon Air attack on TF, near Horn Island at 91,128 Weather in hex: Light cloud Raid spotted at 19 NM, estimated altitude 6,000 feet. Estimated time to target is 5 minutes Japanese aircraft Ki-49-IIa Helen x 27 Ki-84a Frank x 49 Allied aircraft P-47D2 Thunderbolt x 1 No Japanese losses Allied aircraft losses P-47D2 Thunderbolt: 1 destroyed Allied Ships xAKL De Klerk, Bomb hits 1, on fire xAKL Pelton Bank AM Townsville xAKL Kindur xAKL Corrimal, Bomb hits 1, heavy fires xAKL Karuah xAKL Sinabang, Bomb hits 2, heavy fires even better weather during the afternoon but the result isn't getting better... Aircraft Attacking: 15 x Ki-49-IIa Helen bombing from 3000 feet Naval Attack: 4 x 250 kg SAP Bomb 12 x Ki-49-IIa Helen bombing from 3000 feet Naval Attack: 4 x 250 kg SAP Bomb CAP engaged: 348th FG/341st FS with P-47D2 Thunderbolt (1 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling) 1 plane(s) intercepting now. Group patrol altitude is 37000 , scrambling fighters between 0 and 37000. Raid is overhead Heavy smoke from fires obscuring xAKL De Klerk Heavy smoke from fires obscuring xAKL Sinabang -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Afternoon Air attack on TF, near Horn Island at 91,128 Weather in hex: Light cloud Raid spotted at 13 NM, estimated altitude 5,000 feet. Estimated time to target is 3 minutes Japanese aircraft Ki-49-IIa Helen x 9 Ki-84a Frank x 23 No Japanese losses Allied Ships xAKL Luzon PC Carroo, Bomb hits 1, heavy fires, heavy damage xAKL Prusa, Bomb hits 1, heavy fires Allied ground losses: 9 casualties reported Squads: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled Non Combat: 1 destroyed, 0 disabled Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled Guns lost 2 (1 destroyed, 1 disabled) Aircraft Attacking: 9 x Ki-49-IIa Helen bombing from 3000 feet Naval Attack: 4 x 250 kg SAP Bomb -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Afternoon Air attack on TF, near Horn Island at 91,128 Weather in hex: Light cloud Raid spotted at 5 NM, estimated altitude 4,000 feet. Estimated time to target is 1 minutes Japanese aircraft Ki-49-IIa Helen x 9 No Japanese losses Allied Ships xAKL Koonda xAKL Argus xAKL Meroendoeng Aircraft Attacking: 9 x Ki-49-IIa Helen bombing from 3000 feet Naval Attack: 4 x 250 kg SAP Bomb the P-47 win high during the dive phase and are then overwhelmed by numbers... the dive ain't mattering I hear people saying... [image]local://upfiles/13774/25AC495C54084A61B38395AD96B2B133.jpg[/image]

Yaab -> RE: AAR 1943 (7/12/2020 6:20:25 AM)
When you bomb ships from horizontal 3000 feet, you get shot by AAMG flak. Even the smallest xAKLs should have now 0.5inch AAMGs with 3500 feet ceiling. Maybe this disrupts targeting of your bomber crews?

castor troy -> RE: AAR 1943 (7/12/2020 9:25:40 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Yaab When you bomb ships from horizontal 3000 feet, you get shot by AAMG flak. Even the smallest xAKLs should have now 0.5inch AAMGs with 3500 feet ceiling. Maybe this disrupts targeting of your bomber crews? nah, I doubt flak was a prob there, those targets were the perfect training tragets. Those xAKL had literally no AA at all. Didn't have a single damaged bomber by AA fire. If that kind of AA disrupts my bombers enough to get an insanely low hit rate against those slow moving ships then real AA makes them miss any warship 100% of the time. I almost fear I have missed some change when Army bombers get a malus from attacking ships as Mundy complained earlier that his Army bombers fail to hit any shipping no matter how high they are trained. That would be a real bummer.[&:] Using Kates in that bomb mode from the same altitude results in insanely high hit rates, yet my equally skilled Helens should be getting even better hit rates as they carry twice the bomb load if they aren't treated different in the code.

Yaab -> RE: AAR 1943 (7/12/2020 9:35:42 AM)
All torpedo bombers are bugged when they use bombs on naval attack. You can get 50% hit rates from 13,000 feet with them. https://www.matrixgames.com/forums/tm.asp?m=4555743&mpage=1&key=

castor troy -> RE: AAR 1943 (7/12/2020 9:39:32 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Yaab All torpedo bombers are bugged when they use bombs on naval attack. You can get 50% hit rates from 13,000 feet with them. https://www.matrixgames.com/forums/tm.asp?m=4555743&mpage=1&key= I have seen that thread earlier but I can't confirm it. Not because I think the hit rate isn't way too high but because I had the same results with level bombers too. Now that brings me back to the question why my Helens were such a failure attacking those xAKL.

PaxMondo -> RE: AAR 1943 (7/12/2020 1:06:39 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: castor troy quote: ORIGINAL: PaxMondo quote: ORIGINAL: Lowpe quote: ORIGINAL: castor troy If that wouldn't be the case, why is every PBEM seeking to win the altitude race? I have never, ever tried to win the altitude race.[:)] I rank many things over the dive speed, maneuver, guns, pilot training, leadership, radar, tactics. Eric would agree with this I believe as well. The counter(s) to the dive are both numerous, well developed, and highly successful. Proving once again how robust the ACM the Ian developed truly is. The race to altitude has been quite over now for 3 or 4 years � totally disagree here. Othern than The Elf admitting that something was wrong (after years of playing one of the three monkeys) there was never a change.[&:] Castor, You don't have to agree, but don't ever play any of the better players now as the allies or you will not like your outcome in the air war at all. Read any obvert or lowpe AAR's in particular for discussions about CAP strategies (you will need to go back a couple or 3 years ago). While you were gone, the dive was completely solved. Put your Bolts at max altitude sweep against the better players now, and you will soon have no Bolts and for very comparable losses on the IJ side (which is saying something because the IJ planes are quite inferior to the Bolt as we well know). search for "layered CAP" ... the counter actually induces the dive tactic to kill the attacker. I know you don't believe, but you should stop ranting about the "dive". The issue is now known to be the player, not the game. [;)] And yes, Ian has stopped by in the interim to check it out ...

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