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Radagy -> Is this a graphic intensive game? (11/6/2019 10:57:26 AM)

Hi, as I play, I see my graphic card's temperature and GPU clock ramping up even if graphic detail is set to simple (and the graphic card's fan is accordingly noisy).
This is not a 3D intensive first-person shooter, so I wonder what's going on.
Is something going wrong or the game is supposed to run like this?



Zovs -> RE: Is this a graphic intensive game? (11/6/2019 11:45:52 AM)

Radagy, I don't think so per se. I am running an iMac 27 inch, I upgraded it to 40GB of RAM and it has 1TB SSD. I am using VMWare to run Windows 10 Pro, and the game runs just splendid on my end with my specs.


YMMV of course.



zakblood -> RE: Is this a graphic intensive game? (11/6/2019 1:58:10 PM)

OS
Windows 7 SP1+Windows 7 SP1, Windows 8.1, Windows 10

Video
Graphics card with DX10 (shader model 4.0) capabilities (meaning now as no memory requirements etc, eg lowest etc) so as long as it meets this quoted, should work fine)

CPU
SSE2 instruction set support

Hard Disk Space
414 MB

Game Play Screen Resolution
1366x768 or higher

Editor Screen Resolution
1920x1080 or higher


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zakblood -> RE: Is this a graphic intensive game? (11/6/2019 2:02:17 PM)

for pure VGA use


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Radagy -> RE: Is this a graphic intensive game? (11/6/2019 2:17:06 PM)

Here is my GPU usage.
As I open the game GPU usage jumps from 2 to 97%
There is something going wrong here [&:]




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zakblood -> RE: Is this a graphic intensive game? (11/6/2019 2:25:21 PM)

yes, more likely a driver related issue, or something else in the background not working well with the game

try my old guide and download the latest version of drivers only, not all the useless junk Nvidia wishes everyone to install, when 99% of users don't use it

https://www.matrixgames.com/forums/tm.asp?m=4491486

here's the latest for your card, if you use my link above on how to install it correctly, see if that makes it any better 

https://www.nvidia.it/Download/driverResults.aspx/153276/it


mines is a 5 years old card in a old test pc, never goes above 30%, apart from an odd spike, they all do that, just means data is being sent to the card so not to worry about, it's how it is for 99% of the time apart from that spike or spikes etc






Radagy -> RE: Is this a graphic intensive game? (11/6/2019 2:39:05 PM)

Thanks Zak, I will try and try again until I find a solution [:)]



zakblood -> RE: Is this a graphic intensive game? (11/6/2019 2:44:16 PM)

look at task manager and take a screenshot without the game running and have it in the background for 20 mins or so and see how it is then, then you can also compare how low your system is per working normally with only windows running and some background apps, if this is high, then something in your start up is hogging your resources and is resource hungry, normally this is a poor AV or firewall type program and a 3rd party apps or program, as the default windows one are very low end, like mine shows with the default AV and firewall and steam running in the background and only the game, i still have a low resource system in use overall


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AlvaroSousa -> RE: Is this a graphic intensive game? (11/6/2019 2:52:27 PM)

I purposely made it not graphically intensive so players can move around on the screen fast.



Radagy -> RE: Is this a graphic intensive game? (11/6/2019 3:50:28 PM)

At last, I found what's going on, but the solution is counterintuitive.
It all comes from the opening screen.
If I choose "Fastest" the GPU usage skyrockets at 97%
If I choose "Fantastic" the GPU sits at 14%
I thought It should be exactly the opposite, but that is what is all about

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Radagy -> RE: Is this a graphic intensive game? (11/6/2019 3:51:44 PM)

Fantastic

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Radagy -> RE: Is this a graphic intensive game? (11/6/2019 3:52:16 PM)

Fastest

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AlvaroSousa -> RE: Is this a graphic intensive game? (11/7/2019 5:03:52 PM)

Did you try simplest?

Next patch it will be set to simplest.



Radagy -> RE: Is this a graphic intensive game? (11/7/2019 7:09:06 PM)

Simple doesn't work for me (watch the pic).
I also tried Good and Beautiful: GPU use is a little higher than Fantastic but ok.
Fantastic is the best choice.

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AlvaroSousa -> RE: Is this a graphic intensive game? (11/7/2019 8:37:09 PM)

Have you tried fastest what uses the least amount of GPU time



Radagy -> RE: Is this a graphic intensive game? (11/7/2019 9:01:19 PM)

Fastest is most demanding on my GPU (you can see it in one of the previous posts).



AlvaroSousa -> RE: Is this a graphic intensive game? (11/8/2019 1:46:35 AM)

That is weird.



Radagy -> RE: Is this a graphic intensive game? (11/8/2019 2:47:42 AM)

I agree.
That’s about Unity I guess.
Is there something I can do to give you more useful infos?



Splatsch -> RE: Is this a graphic intensive game? (12/12/2019 9:58:42 AM)

Maybe I have a part of the solution.
I first let the game at default quality, and noticed too an increase of temperature. After that I put it at Fantastic to try : way better.

It seems that in "Fastest" (or "Simplest", I don't remember which one it was), the FPS aren't capped (= no V-sync), so my game was trying to go "as fast" as possible, reaching 150-160 FPS, asking as much resources as possible.
In "Fantastic" setting, FPS seems capped at 60 (so I guess V-sync is on) and so, my computer isn't heating.

Maybe it's the explanation (but I'm not a specialist ;)).
And if "Fantastic" setting wouldn't have capped the FPS, I was planing to do it manually through my nvidia config panel.
(just in case it could help, I use FRAPS to see the FPS)

Edit : I just tried "Fastest" and "Simple", both seems to have uncapped FPS.
"Beautiful" seems to have capped FPS.



AlvaroSousa -> RE: Is this a graphic intensive game? (12/12/2019 2:45:02 PM)

Be sure to blow out the GPU fan. They can get dirty. Don't know if that helps



Splatsch -> RE: Is this a graphic intensive game? (12/13/2019 11:45:21 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: Alvaro Sousa

Be sure to blow out the GPU fan. They can get dirty. Don't know if that helps

Yeah I know [:D] I'm doing a usual yearly cleanup to avoid too much dust ;) But thanks still for the tip :)

Well, Unity is a game engine which easily makes computers heating I noticed (at least old computers like mine)(especially when there's 3D/shaders involved). I think it's by default, it's a not well optimized game engine (but it's only a supposition).
And uncapped FPS is a real issue too for overheating. So the two combined...
But I'm used to having to cap FPS manually (or even reduce FPS to numbers like 30FPS) to be able to play some new games without overheating needlessly my computer.

May I ask you, what are differences between the graphical quality proposed ? Are there differences excepted capped FPS ? (or maybe you don't know, and it's not a problem ;))

In case it could help, here are my specs :
Windows 7 64-bit
Intel Core i5 2300 @ 2.80GHz
12,0 Go Dual-Channel DDR3 @ 665MHz
1535MB NVIDIA GeForce GT 440
Screen resolution 1920x1080



AlvaroSousa -> RE: Is this a graphic intensive game? (12/13/2019 2:33:08 PM)

Use the simple setting on the display choice.

WarPlan doesn't use fancy graphics or shadowing. It only uses the Alpha texture.

Is this the only game you are having a problem with?



Splatsch -> RE: Is this a graphic intensive game? (12/13/2019 3:56:40 PM)

Okay (but I'll have to cap it manually at 60FPS).
Btw, maybe it's not the same issue than for Radagy : I don't have my graphic card working that much, only it heating because of uncapped FPSs.

Okay ! Even if I don't know what "Alpha textures" are I must say XP

Depends of what you call "having a problem". For me, when it happens, I know that (over)heating of my computer is usually due to my very old/low specs (10 years old computer here), and because of games requiring more and more high specs (too related because of less optimized modern games). Uncapped FPS is one of the first things I look at ;)
And I noticed that recent games made with Unity are more prone to overheat easily (even often without something visually "intense").
My usual solution in games, Unity's one or not are first going disabling options I don't really need in visual options, cap/reduce max FPS, and eventually reduce resolution if it doesn't affect too much quality. But I can't play every recent game with my config, and it's normal ;)
I only regret that optimization of games is less crucial nowadays :/ (but this asks for lot of work)




Doolan -> RE: Is this a graphic intensive game? (1/10/2020 8:32:31 PM)

Sorry to resurrect a two-week old thread, but I seem to have a very similar problem.

Running WarPlan on a Macbook Pro with Intel Iris graphics – Windows 10 through BootCamp. Sure, not a gaming rig by any means, but the results are still somewhat puzzling.

First off, GPU load reaches 100%... on the main menu, and doesn't budge from there. It actually goes down considerably (to the mid 30 or 40%) once the game starts and while the enemy turn is playing, which I would say is decidedly odd. It then goes up to 100% again when the turn report pops up. As Radagy points out, setting graphics quality to "Fantastic" actually helps quite a bit, while "Simple" makes things worse.

I could be wrong, but it seems that the three moments where the GPU usage jumps to 100% (main menu, turn report, player's turn) have one thing in common, and that's floating windows. It's just a wild stab in the dark, though.

For reference, WitE / WitW / WitPAE, Command Ops 2, the DC series, Flashpoint Campaigns or Strategic Command don't have this effect (the fans are not audible in fact, and the laptop remains downright cold). Not even Europa Universalis or Hearts of Iron tax the GPU nearly as much, which is strange, as both are 3D games.

As soon as I get some free time I'll try installing it on my desktop computer and giving it a spin to see what happens with a different GPU. The game looks decidedly interesting, and I'd love to be able to play it on the go.

Cheers!



AlvaroSousa -> RE: Is this a graphic intensive game? (1/10/2020 9:45:48 PM)

When the WarPlan screen comes up, not the Matrix loader, try using the Graphics Quality set to "simple"

Also look at the emulator for windows and see if they have some graphics setting.



Doolan -> RE: Is this a graphic intensive game? (1/11/2020 8:50:42 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: Alvaro Sousa

When the WarPlan screen comes up, not the Matrix loader, try using the Graphics Quality set to "simple"


If we're talking about the config screen in the picture I attached, I already did – and the result is actually worse than at "Fantastic", surprisingly.

quote:


Also look at the emulator for windows and see if they have some graphics setting.


I'm not using any emulators. I have a separate partition that I boot Windows 10 from. Boot Camp is just the name of Apple's assistant / wizard / partition tool to install Windows without messing up the main OSX partition.

The only reason I bring this up as possibly an issue specific to Warplan is that no other game in the Matrix catalogue seems to do this. And the fact that it happens even in the main menu, shooting GPU usage to 100% with no map or units on screen, is even weirder. The funny thing is that the game actually runs very smoothly and scrolls like silk – it just makes the computer hot as hell and the fans sound like a jet liner taking off. [:D]

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AlvaroSousa -> RE: Is this a graphic intensive game? (1/12/2020 10:54:35 PM)

Let me post on Unity forums see if they have a solution. Give me exactly what mac, os, and windows 10 dohicky you are using on the mac.



Doolan -> RE: Is this a graphic intensive game? (1/13/2020 9:45:56 PM)

Of course! Thanks a lot for dedicating so much time to this issue.

It's a Macbook Pro 13, Mid-2014 with 8 Gb of RAM and Intel Iris 5100, running Windows 10 Pro. Using Boot Camp, meaning it's booting in Windows 10, not using emulation or virtualisation.

For reference, War in the West in game (with the map and units on screen and so on) hovers at around 4 to 6% in both CPU and GPU usage, with Steam running in the background.



AlvaroSousa -> RE: Is this a graphic intensive game? (1/13/2020 11:49:25 PM)

I posted. Hopefully someone will respond.



Doolan -> RE: Is this a graphic intensive game? (4/20/2020 5:00:20 PM)

So, now that WarPlan is out on Steam I decided to give it another go, this time using the FPS counter in the Steam overlay.

I now think Splatsch hit the nail on the head. The higher graphics settings (Fantastic, for instance) seem to use VSync, or at least they were capping at 60FPS (my screen refresh rate) when I played after I told the Intel drivers to override the game settings. However, the "fastest" setting is uncapped and happily goes to 200+ FPS. I believe this is the main cause of the overheating. In fact, it has been mentioned of the new LnL Tactical Digital (also made in Unity and also cooking some GPUs unnecessarily) but Wars Across the World (another Unity wargame) caps at 60 and runs cool as you like.




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