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Canoerebel -> RE: OT: Corona virus (4/5/2020 5:34:47 PM)

Yeah, I see. I apologize. I was mistaken.

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ORIGINAL: JohnDillworth

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least be in the ballpark:
Except you reported the word racist was used. Now racist is a pretty charged word and you reported that it was used.....See the difference?





JohnDillworth -> RE: OT: Corona virus (4/5/2020 5:36:22 PM)

don't believe everything you here. It's fairly easy to fact check these things




Canoerebel -> RE: OT: Corona virus (4/5/2020 5:39:12 PM)

The same can be said about some in here reporting about the Georgia governor. It's easy to fact check that too. Wait, it actually isn't. It takes a lot of time. That's why nobody else in here checked. Don't believe everything you hear on CNN, etc.




BBfanboy -> RE: OT: Corona virus (4/5/2020 5:50:23 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Cap Mandrake

Personally, I have no difficulty passing on church services.[:)]

I suspect that you are like me - you feel closer to God when you get out in the great outdoors and feel the beauty of creation. I think it's why so many people get a cottage at the lake - it reduces the stress magically and the world seems less crazy when you can play in the water or the woods.




RangerJoe -> RE: OT: Corona virus (4/5/2020 5:53:08 PM)


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ORIGINAL: BBfanboy


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ORIGINAL: Cap Mandrake

Personally, I have no difficulty passing on church services.[:)]

I suspect that you are like me - you feel closer to God when you get out in the great outdoors and feel the beauty of creation. I think it's why so many people get a cottage at the lake - it reduces the stress magically and the world seems less crazy when you can play in the water or the woods.


There was a minister who admonished a man for going fishing on Sunday instead of going to church.

The man replied "Do you want me to go to church and think about fishing or to go fishing and think about God?"




JohnDillworth -> RE: OT: Corona virus (4/5/2020 5:54:34 PM)

Don't get much news from TV in general. Just local stuff. 30 minutes a day or I couldn't function. The print journalists are doing the best job of this. Rough rule of thumb is the source of the print journalism has won lots of Pulitzer prizes year after year they are probably a good source.....but as the Russians say (Not Regan actually, he cribbed the quote) "Trust, but verify". Most of these scoundrels leave a clear trail of tweets or video so it's not so hard to check




RangerJoe -> RE: OT: Corona virus (4/5/2020 5:55:06 PM)

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ORIGINAL: JohnDillworth

don't believe everything you here. It's fairly easy to fact check these things


There is a video clip here with Biden trying to speak.

https://twitter.com/TrumpWarRoom/status/1238144416147288066

BTW, have you set up those camps yet that you thought were funny?




obvert -> RE: OT: Corona virus (4/5/2020 5:56:25 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Canoerebel

This has been a great thread, doing exactly what I had hoped. We've gotten a lot of great information from a lot of people everywhere. We've had people with particular expertise weigh in with their own thoughts. There are differences of opinion but mostly folks get along and self-regulate. I've taken thoughts posted in here by John Dillworth, Obvert, RFalvo, Chickenboy, Cap Mandrake and shared them with my family, both in writing and in conversation. This is an excellent community. In person, I believe everyone here would be most gracious to everybody else. Without exception.

I've known many of the people in here for years. Over that time, most of them have built up tremendous deposits of good will. If they've said the wrong thing in here, from time, to time, those can be overlooked (mostly, usually) because they have such established records. That's happened a few times.

There is one person in here who overdrew his account of good will seriously. He's made the atmosphere poisonous. He's provoked other members to various expressions of outrage or leaving. I've seen people who have never had a discouraging word become uncharacteristically miffed at him, but it's not them. It's him. He's the poison.

And he has his enablers. While most people in here say what they think, there is one who tells others what to think. He cloaks his words in "I want to build bridges" while doing his work and tearing them down. When he gets things absolutely, demonstratively wrong, he slips away in the dark. Always, 100% of the time, refuses to acknowledge a mistake.

There is one other that internalizes things and sees boogeymen where there aren't any. A few days ago, he posted that it was an age thing for me; that I was picking on him and others because of generational matters, which isn't true. Until that moment, I had no idea how old he was. From the context of his comment, I now suppose he's in his 30s or 40s but for all I knew, until then, he was my age or 20 or 80. Another fellow I know pretty well is, I think, in his late 40s, but's that's my age (or so I think). The poisoner is comparatively younger based on a comment he made a year ago in another thread, but I'm not sure. It doesn't matter.

Or is there some component to generational things that explains the behavior of these three? Is that why the poisoner and his enablers insist on keeping everything public? Is that why they refused every request to keep this private or take matters private? Is this a Facebook way of doing things? (Probably not - there are undoubtedly a bunch of folks in here, younger and older, who use Facebook but don't act this way.)

I have the poisoner on Ignore and it's worked pretty well - not perfectly, but well. I'm adding his two enablers. They've seriously drawn on their stock of goodwill. Not overdrawn though. I'll be glad to discuss things privately with them at length, in depth. Always have been.

Every person in here is a good man in person, I believe. Even the one who poisoned this thread.


I think a few others on here are beginning to see who you really are Dan. It's sad since you obviously put a lot of pride in your standing in this community. When it comes to having ideals of yours challenged at all, you attack the person, not the idea.

What Cap Mandrake said is beyond anything I've seen on the Forum directed at another long term forumite in the nine years I've been here. You can green button anyone you like, but that won't take away the problem. If you want a community you have to accept that involves people that are different than yourself. You also have to use the same principles to regulate behaviour for all if that is something you feel is your prerogative.

All I can say is that I'm incredibly disappointed someone I spent years interacting with, playing against and sharing personal anecdotes and good wishes with would throw me under the bus instead of engaging in discussion.






obvert -> RE: OT: Corona virus (4/5/2020 5:57:47 PM)


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ORIGINAL: RangerJoe

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ORIGINAL: JohnDillworth

don't believe everything you here. It's fairly easy to fact check these things


There is a video clip here with Biden trying to speak.

https://twitter.com/TrumpWarRoom/status/1238144416147288066

BTW, have you set up those camps yet that you thought were funny?



Politically biased. Will you self censor or should I report this?




BBfanboy -> RE: OT: Corona virus (4/5/2020 6:03:25 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Canoerebel

Here's the situation with respect to leading countries.

The USA currently has 28 deaths per million.

We are BENEATH the curve on the model posted by Erik Rutens a few days back that shows a total of 93k mortalities over five months.

That will be about the same as the 2018-19 five-month flu season (80k, per Chickenboy's posts some days back).

That's more than 10x less than early estimates. Others (I think JohnD) have noted that's because of the countermeasures in place. IE, in our federal system, the steps taken have had a dramatic impact.



[image]local://upfiles/8143/5F4E8887774A439FB77F715914B278B8.jpg[/image]

There is a bit of difference in situation that makes comparison between US and other countries premature. The US is early in the onset and it is clear it will manifest as a series of peaks all over the country. It is just getting started. Spain, Italy, the UK are much smaller, more densely populated countries so their peaks will be closer together and their first peaks have already happened. They are at or near the backslope so their future new cases will gradually decline while the US is still ramping up. A month from now, when the US is well into it everywhere, may be the time to do comparisons like this chart.




Canoerebel -> RE: OT: Corona virus (4/5/2020 6:03:25 PM)

Erik that's what you say, not what you do. You have demeaned me personally in here, by name. Rather than saying what you think, you have specifically told me what I should think. You have said that my feelings about the press are "dangerous." When I pointed out the mistakes you made with respect to Georgia you didn't acknowledge them. Over and over again you have talked peace but too often acted differently. I've been just as disappointed in your behavior as you have been in mine.

As for CapMandrake, I've never before seen him (and other forumites) so upset in here. On the other hand, the instigator has repeatedly acted reprehensibly. I'll give them the benefit of the doubt given their years of good conduct.




Canoerebel -> RE: OT: Corona virus (4/5/2020 6:05:08 PM)

BBFanboy, yes. The projection for mortality in the USA comes out to about 280/M. We'll see how that compares when all is said and done. But it'll probably be okay. New York and some others will be very high, Oklahoma will be very low. Let's let Oklahoma choose its course. It has earned the right to.

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ORIGINAL: BBfanboy

There is a bit of difference in situation that makes comparison between US and other countries premature. The US is early in the onset and it is clear it will manifest as a series of peaks all over the country. It is just getting started. Spain, Italy, the UK are much smaller, more densely populated countries so their peaks will be closer together and their first peaks have already happened. They are at or near the backslope so their future new cases will gradually decline while the US is still ramping up. A month from now, when the US is well into it everywhere, may be the time to do comparisons like this chart.





BBfanboy -> RE: OT: Corona virus (4/5/2020 6:08:20 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Canoerebel

Daily totals for Italy just posted. Significant drop in mortality!

Hey, Italy, everyone's pulling for you!**

**As repeatedly said in here, "As Italy goes, so goes the world." First Italy flattened yet the numbers held stubbornly high. Finally, finally, a marked trend of decline. [:)]

[image]local://upfiles/8143/512A52170A55438CA9CEDE5901521BB2.jpg[/image]


That stubbornly high period I ascribe to the mass exodus of people from the hotspots when it became known the government was going to order a lockdown, and to some people not taking the lockdown seriously in the first week or so. The curve can only decline (after about 20days) when the lockdown becomes truly effective.




BBfanboy -> RE: OT: Corona virus (4/5/2020 6:11:58 PM)


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ORIGINAL: durnedwolf

What I also like about this link https://covid19.healthdata.org/projections is that it shows what the states are implementing and when they implemented it. There will be an opportunity later to do a good after-action report on what worked best and perhaps identify a best strategy for our states in the case of future pandemics.




Hey, we already know that you need a good Detection Level before beginning your attack on the enemy! This forum should write the AARs! I nominate Lowpe because he is already an AAR award winner! [:)]




Canoerebel -> RE: OT: Corona virus (4/5/2020 6:12:10 PM)

That's good information, BBFanboy. Italy had so many handicaps that it really was behind the 8-ball. Many or most other countries will likely do better, given that they were able to learn from Italy's misfortune, imposition of countermeasures, and finally gaining traction.




RangerJoe -> RE: OT: Corona virus (4/5/2020 6:16:00 PM)


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ORIGINAL: obvert


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ORIGINAL: RangerJoe

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ORIGINAL: JohnDillworth

don't believe everything you here. It's fairly easy to fact check these things


There is a video clip here with Biden trying to speak.

https://twitter.com/TrumpWarRoom/status/1238144416147288066

BTW, have you set up those camps yet that you thought were funny?



Politically biased. Will you self censor or should I report this?


Report what? I believe that is the video clip in question that two people were discussing.

Or are you referring to the camps that he thought were funny?




Cap Mandrake -> RE: OT: Corona virus (4/5/2020 6:19:26 PM)

Obvert;

You are a smart guy. I enjoy your posts. I apologize for calling Mind-Messing a "peacock". This was a biologically inapt analogy. I will try to behave myself. <hands begin to twitch uncontrollably>




obvert -> RE: OT: Corona virus (4/5/2020 6:19:56 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Canoerebel

Hey, Durned Wolf, Georgia is the state I'm most familiar with, so I post with what's going on here and reply with what's going on here, but I've made it clear (yesterday) that most or all states are doing the same and that all are in good faith doing what they think is best in a novel situation.


Exactly. And what he responded with is that again you gave no evidence for that claim. You just keep saying things like that makes them true.




RangerJoe -> RE: OT: Corona virus (4/5/2020 6:20:28 PM)


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ORIGINAL: JohnDillworth

Don't get much news from TV in general. Just local stuff. 30 minutes a day or I couldn't function. The print journalists are doing the best job of this. Rough rule of thumb is the source of the print journalism has won lots of Pulitzer prizes year after year they are probably a good source.....but as the Russians say (Not Regan actually, he cribbed the quote) "Trust, but verify". Most of these scoundrels leave a clear trail of tweets or video so it's not so hard to check


Was that Donald Regan? US Secretary of the Treasury? Then Chief of Staff to the President of the United States? Just curious. It does not matter where or whom the quote is from.




RangerJoe -> RE: OT: Corona virus (4/5/2020 6:23:01 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Cap Mandrake

Obvert;

You are a smart guy. I enjoy your posts. I apologize for calling Mind-Messing a "peacock". This was a biologically inapt analogy. I will try to behave myself. <hands begin to twitch uncontrollably


I agree, no need to insult peacocks.

As Tommy Chong once said "Take a 'lude, man!"




BBfanboy -> RE: OT: Corona virus (4/5/2020 6:23:44 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Canoerebel

Erik that's what you say, not what you do. You have demeaned me personally in here, by name. Rather than saying what you think, you have specifically told me what I should think. You have said that my feelings about the press are "dangerous." When I pointed out the mistakes you made with respect to Georgia you didn't acknowledge them. Over and over again you have talked peace but too often acted differently. I've been just as disappointed in your behavior as you have been in mine.

As for CapMandrake, I've never before seen him (and other forumites) so upset in here. On the other hand, the instigator has repeatedly acted reprehensibly. I'll give them the benefit of the doubt given their years of good conduct.

The person who is constantly challenging us on things seems to be craving attention. Even when he gets a response he demands more. The best strategy is to just ignore him and not respond. It's what we learned to do with the kid in the playground who kept bugging us to get a response. They would only go away if we ignored them.




obvert -> RE: OT: Corona virus (4/5/2020 6:29:09 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Canoerebel

Some from the USA are saying, "This is the way we're doing it, it seems to be working, we'll keep trying. You folks elsewhere are doing your best. Keep on. Good luck." There are some from other countries who seem to be saying here, "This is the way we do it in our [smaller, less populous, more dense, more accustomed to nationwide action] country. Do it our way."


No. They're actually asking how it's actually working and why there are so many reports of people not staying at home for various reasons.




Cap Mandrake -> RE: OT: Corona virus (4/5/2020 6:30:51 PM)

Has it occurred to anyone that someone's forum handle may be a sly reference to his style of "discussion"...and we are sending reinforcements into a minefield?[;)]




RangerJoe -> RE: OT: Corona virus (4/5/2020 6:32:59 PM)


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ORIGINAL: obvert


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ORIGINAL: Canoerebel

Some from the USA are saying, "This is the way we're doing it, it seems to be working, we'll keep trying. You folks elsewhere are doing your best. Keep on. Good luck." There are some from other countries who seem to be saying here, "This is the way we do it in our [smaller, less populous, more dense, more accustomed to nationwide action] country. Do it our way."


No. They're actually asking how it's actually working and why there are so many reports of people not staying at home for various reasons.


Is this from someone who admits to going out in public almost every day? In a large city? Around other people? When they don't actually need to go out?




Cap Mandrake -> RE: OT: Corona virus (4/5/2020 6:38:20 PM)

"you're not going to let that lousy Commie punk vomit all over us like this" [:D]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WI5B7jLWZUc




Canoerebel -> RE: OT: Corona virus (4/5/2020 6:48:12 PM)


This is a weird claim, Obvert. I live in Georgia and in the US but I'm not qualified to offer opinions about things here? I just spent an hour doing calculations and posting the results backing up the points I've been making. As expected, they bore out what I'd been saying (because I live here and know what's going on). When I corrected your mistaken assertions about Georgia yesterday, you just ignore it. A simple "oops" would've sufficed.

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ORIGINAL: obvert


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ORIGINAL: Canoerebel

Hey, Durned Wolf, Georgia is the state I'm most familiar with, so I post with what's going on here and reply with what's going on here, but I've made it clear (yesterday) that most or all states are doing the same and that all are in good faith doing what they think is best in a novel situation.


Exactly. And what he responded with is that again you gave no evidence for that claim. You just keep saying things like that makes them true.





Canoerebel -> RE: OT: Corona virus (4/5/2020 7:11:44 PM)

A local pastor will be holding Easter services next Sunday morning. Cars will park in his farm pasture. His broadcast will be carried by Facebook (or possibly a local radio station). Attendees will remain in their cars with windows up.

That's one way to do church.




BBfanboy -> RE: OT: Corona virus (4/5/2020 7:12:38 PM)

Our education systems have to start teaching students how to handle stress early on, so they don't do this as adults: From the Toronto Globe and Mail:

A Walmart security guard from southern Quebec was fighting for his life on Sunday morning after being struck and dragged by a driver who was allegedly enraged by social distancing policies aimed to curb the spread of COVID-19, local police said.

Police in Sherbrooke, about 150 kilometres east of Montreal, said the incident occurred at about 5 p.m. Saturday when the suspect tried to enter the Walmart with his partner, only to be told just one person per vehicle was allowed inside at once.

Police spokesman Martin Carrier said the suspect allegedly became frustrated after leaving the store, leading to an altercation in the parking lot.

“At a certain moment, the frustrated client ran directly into the employee with his vehicle, even dragging him on the hood for several metres,” Carrier said.

The 35-year-old guard suffered a serious head injury during the incident and remained in critical condition on Sunday morning.

The couple left the scene but were later arrested at a nearby residence.

The 25-year-old suspect was expected to appear in court on Sunday, where he could face charges of armed assault with a vehicle, aggravated assault and hit-and-run.




Canoerebel -> RE: OT: Corona virus (4/5/2020 7:20:56 PM)

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ORIGINAL: obvert

I think a few others on here are beginning to se who you really are Dan. It's sad since you obviously put a lot of pride in your standing in this community. When it comes to having ideals of yours challenged at all, you attack the person, not the idea...


Erik, I've been here for 18 years. My behavior is pretty well known to folks, the longer they've been here the better they know me. Sometimes I am irritable but mostly not. Mostly I'm here sharing with this community.

What's different now? One person is persistently, remorselessly rude and aggressive. He persistently, remorselessly declines invitations to take it private. Under his perpetual ill-will, folks of good standing sometimes get snappish.

I'll rest on my reputation, for good or ill.




durnedwolf -> RE: OT: Corona virus (4/5/2020 7:23:23 PM)

Wow - Bishop California - just had an earthquake nearby. Shook the house a bit.

So far - so good in Bishop.

No biggie - just 4.4. It rattled just 'cause it was near.

https://earthquake.usgs.gov/earthquakes/map/#%7B%22autoUpdate%22%3A%5B%22autoUpdate%22%5D%2C%22basemap%22%3A%22grayscale%22%2C%22feed%22%3A%221day_m25%22%2C%22listFormat%22%3A%22default%22%2C%22mapposition%22%3A%5B%5B35.191766965947394%2C-121.00341796874999%5D%2C%5B39.24501680713314%2C-112.21435546875%5D%5D%2C%22overlays%22%3A%5B%22plates%22%5D%2C%22restrictListToMap%22%3A%5B%22restrictListToMap%22%5D%2C%22search%22%3Anull%2C%22sort%22%3A%22newest%22%2C%22timezone%22%3A%22utc%22%2C%22viewModes%22%3A%5B%22list%22%2C%22map%22%5D%2C%22event%22%3A%22nc73364330%22%7D




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