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ORIGINAL: MakeeLearn

Meanwhile in Florida...


"This is a reminder that during COVID 19, please remember to keep at least 1 large alligator between you and everyone else at all times,"

https://edition.cnn.com/2020/04/04/us/social-distancing-florida-alligator-trnd/index.html?utm_source=wnd&utm_medium=wnd&utm_campaign=syndicated



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ORIGINAL: obvert

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ORIGINAL: Cap Mandrake

Can we change the name of the thread to China Virus?


"Hall monitor"[:D]

Words matter. This isn't funny.

I see the intended humour, but you may not realise that for people of any asian decent that has dire consequences. You're a reasonable person (mostly) and can understand that the government of China is the issue, not the people. Using this phrase though, for people who already have some bias or overt racism, enforces those beliefs and is causing them to act on them.

Here in Britain and from reports around the world, East Asians, whether Chinese or not, have been verbally abused, ostracised and physically attacked after the Corona Virus began moving out from China.

This is from yesterday in NYC
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/asian-america/woman-needs-stitches-after-anti-asian-hate-crime-attack-city-n1177146

Here is another. The anxiety of moving through an environment that is turning against you is also damaging.

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/03/23/us/chinese-coronavirus-racist-attacks.html

As bigots blame them for the coronavirus and President Trump labels it the “Chinese virus,” many Chinese-Americans say they are terrified of what could come next.

Yuanyuan Zhu was walking to her gym in San Francisco on March 9, thinking the workout could be her last for a while, when she noticed that a man was shouting at her. He was yelling an expletive about China. Then a bus passed, she recalled, and he screamed after it, “Run them over.”

She tried to keep her distance, but when the light changed, she was stuck waiting with him at the crosswalk. She could feel him staring at her. And then, suddenly, she felt it: his saliva hitting her face and her favorite sweater.

In London a student from Singapore was beaten so badly by thugs in the middle of the biggest shopping area in London, Oxford St, in the middle of the afternoon, that he may require facial reconstruction.

https://edition.cnn.com/2020/03/03/uk/coronavirus-assault-student-london-scli-intl-gbr/index.html

None of this is funny.

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ORIGINAL: Cap Mandrake

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ORIGINAL: mind_messing

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ORIGINAL: Cap Mandrake

MacArthur went behind Truman's back to the Press and got his Hero of Inchon ass fired...with good reason.

Not quite the same circumstances in any way, shape or form, is it?

No, MacArthur needed to be removed. He was veering toward a messianic state. I think the Captain of Roosevelt felt compassion toward his crew and knew he would get sacked but did it anyway. It is noble in a way and understandable..but still wrong. You can't have officers disobeying orders because it is a difficult ask. He essentially declared to the world that an entire USN carrier battle group was out of action. Suppose the CCP decides THIS is the time to invade Taiwan based on that information (not likely of course)? Or the mullahs of Iran decide to stir up **** right now (more likely) and they miscalculate badly?

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ORIGINAL: Cap Mandrake

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ORIGINAL: mind_messing

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ORIGINAL: Cap Mandrake

Sometimes the "quants" are wrong. Half of them have Asperger's syndrome and can't understand human behavior of emotions. It is possible to be incandescently smart and utterly clueless at the same time.

It would be like putting up a shark net on a beach and then taking it down a week later because the attacks stopped.

Let's not forget the "quants" told Lehman Bros. that mortgage backed securities were safe. [:D]

So I'm going to call that out right now as inappropriate, and highlights your complete ignorance of developmental disorders.

I THINK that is a Glaswegian joke but I'm not sure.

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ORIGINAL: Canoerebel

[In Reply to Obvert, above:] Thanks for pointing out the date on that info, Erik.

Professor Ionnidis missed on his mortality projection of 10k or 12k but may well be in the same ballpark unlike most others in play at that time. Around March 17, many/most US projections were still well above the 100k to 200k that were so heavily discussed last week (late March).

Around the same time that Ioniddis made his projection, the governor of California estimated that more than half the population of the state could be infected (https://www.latimes.com/california/story/2020-03-20/newsom-california-25-million-coronavirus-cases-two-months). That would have resulted in tremendous mortality just in California in the range of 200k or more (using a 1% mortality rate; back then the consensus was more like 2x or 3x that).

Ioniddis is likely to be much closer to the actual mark than Governor Newsome and most others making projections around that time.

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ORIGINAL: obvert

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ORIGINAL: Canoerebel

[In Reply to Obvert, above:] Thanks for pointing out the date on that info, Erik.

Professor Ionnidis missed on his mortality projection of 10k or 12k but may well be in the same ballpark unlike most others in play at that time. Around March 17, many/most US projections were still well above the 100k to 200k that were so heavily discussed last week (late March).

Around the same time that Ioniddis made his projection, the governor of California estimated that more than half the population of the state could be infected (https://www.latimes.com/california/story/2020-03-20/newsom-california-25-million-coronavirus-cases-two-months). That would have resulted in tremendous mortality just in California in the range of 200k or more (using a 1% mortality rate; back then the consensus was more like 2x or 3x that).

Ioniddis is likely to be much closer to the actual mark than Governor Newsome and most others making projections around that time.

He is also using an estimate of 3.3million infected. There are 385,093 right now in the US. (We now there are more but not how many more). I don't think he's close at all considering he also stated he thought there was an overreaction to this disease. He miscalculated.

We all wan to stay positive, but the US is along way from getting through this. As is the world.

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ORIGINAL: witpqs

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ORIGINAL: obvert

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ORIGINAL: Cap Mandrake

Can we change the name of the thread to China Virus?


"Hall monitor"[:D]

Words matter. This isn't funny.

I see the intended humour, but you may not realise that for people of any asian decent that has dire consequences. You're a reasonable person (mostly) and can understand that the government of China is the issue, not the people. Using this phrase though, for people who already have some bias or overt racism, enforces those beliefs and is causing them to act on them.

Here in Britain and from reports around the world, East Asians, whether Chinese or not, have been verbally abused, ostracised and physically attacked after the Corona Virus began moving out from China.

This is from yesterday in NYC
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/asian-america/woman-needs-stitches-after-anti-asian-hate-crime-attack-city-n1177146

Here is another. The anxiety of moving through an environment that is turning against you is also damaging.

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/03/23/us/chinese-coronavirus-racist-attacks.html

As bigots blame them for the coronavirus and President Trump labels it the “Chinese virus,” many Chinese-Americans say they are terrified of what could come next.

Yuanyuan Zhu was walking to her gym in San Francisco on March 9, thinking the workout could be her last for a while, when she noticed that a man was shouting at her. He was yelling an expletive about China. Then a bus passed, she recalled, and he screamed after it, “Run them over.”

She tried to keep her distance, but when the light changed, she was stuck waiting with him at the crosswalk. She could feel him staring at her. And then, suddenly, she felt it: his saliva hitting her face and her favorite sweater.

In London a student from Singapore was beaten so badly by thugs in the middle of the biggest shopping area in London, Oxford St, in the middle of the afternoon, that he may require facial reconstruction.

https://edition.cnn.com/2020/03/03/uk/coronavirus-assault-student-london-scli-intl-gbr/index.html

None of this is funny.

Sadly, there is nothing new about this. I've heard stories about racists assaults on Chinese going way back. Coupling Trump striking back at the communist government's propaganda (that the US military gave COVID-19 to civilians in China) and for Trump seeking to hold the government of China accountable for what it has done (withholding and faking information, among other actions) is wrong on the part of those media outlets, but politically consistent.

Did any of those reports mention that the Chinese government's handling of the crisis has helped inflame the behavior of those horrible bigots? Probably not.

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ORIGINAL: obvert

I'm not going to get political here. I will say that some of us do understand the difference between the Government of China and it's history of abuses and people who look to be from an East Asian country. There are a lot of people who don't and who equate the two things. They hear these comments and they act on them against real people.

We don't need to support the use of terminology that could be interpreted as biased against a nation and its people, in spite of its government's culpability in this crisis.

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ORIGINAL: Canoerebel

Beginning of movement to eliminate disparaging term "veterinarian." Y'all keep this in mind when Chickenboy is around.

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ORIGINAL: Canoerebel

It was tongue in cheek, of course. The failure of the headline writer to use the obvious term "veterinarian" created some confusion when I first saw a link to the headline. It made me wonder if the story was about doctors staying at home to care for pets. Why not simply say "veterinarians"?

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ORIGINAL: witpqs

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ORIGINAL: Canoerebel

It was tongue in cheek, of course. The failure of the headline writer to use the obvious term "veterinarian" created some confusion when I first saw a link to the headline. It made me wonder if the story was about doctors staying at home to care for pets. Why not simply say "veterinarians"?

Blasphemer!



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ORIGINAL: witpqs

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ORIGINAL: Canoerebel

It was tongue in cheek, of course. The failure of the headline writer to use the obvious term "veterinarian" created some confusion when I first saw a link to the headline. It made me wonder if the story was about doctors staying at home to care for pets. Why not simply say "veterinarians"?

Blasphemer!



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ORIGINAL: Canoerebel

[To MakeeLearn:] Well, her character Mammy didn't receive an income during her years of servitude. After the war she probably got room and board and maybe some allowance or minimal pay.

That image will simply inflame things without any possible productive reason that I can think of (or did I simply miss it)? Similarly, any discussion of a minimum basic income, though arising from the present crisis, is sure to veer off into the political minefield we've just gotten through (sorta).

I'm not hall monitor but the good residents of the forum have done a pretty good job of self-regulating the past few days. I'd avoid the topic and redact the image from this site if it was in my power to do so.

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ORIGINAL: Canoerebel

[Not directed at anybody in particular, including recent posts, but rather on my just completed click-train to another site]

For the first time today, I ventured into the main page virus thread. It's locked, I think as of today. It seems to have veered into a permanent state of acrimony.

It was a rough weekend here, most certainly for me. But the community as a whole has rallied and done a remarkably good job of getting back on point and trying not to inflame things. Pretty cool to see. Here's hoping this thread stays open for business.

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ORIGINAL: MakeeLearn

I see nor think anything disparaging about that pic. It's my heritage, my family.



For those that do not know, in this scene, Mammy has just told Scarlett a TRUTH that Scarlett did not want to hear. And Mammy is "UH-HA I told you!"


If the moderator wants to remove it.... he will.