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Chickenboy -> RE: OT: Corona virus (3/6/2020 9:56:00 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: obvert We simply don’t know how this will play out, but indications are that it will influence all continents (minus Antarctica maybe) and may not simply go away. To continue downplaying the outcome won’t help us, but might hurt the most vulnerable more than if we took every precaution. I'll agree with your first sentence and add a caveat to your second. Neither downplaying the outcome nor polemic-infused hysteria will yield to ideal outcomes. Moderation in approach and outlook is best, I think. We also have to gameplay some favorable outcomes as well as worst case scenarios too for a more balanced approach. [:)]

Chickenboy -> RE: OT: Corona virus (3/6/2020 10:01:10 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Erik Rutins Some more information on the test situation: https://www.theatlantic.com/health/archive/2020/03/how-many-americans-have-been-tested-coronavirus/607597/?preview=3-4FLneYp3QF4ooMLWUN_KtUiR8 That was a good overview and article, if injected with some rather obvious political should-woulda-coulda finger wagging.

Scott_USN -> RE: OT: Corona virus (3/6/2020 10:30:00 PM)
I say we have small uptick in the US then it will phase out just like it is doing in China just on a comparable micro scale.

Ian R -> RE: OT: Corona virus (3/7/2020 12:07:22 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Kull quote: ORIGINAL: Ian R It can live more than 48hrs on a surface; this is what makes it such a threat. Where did you get that information? The coronavirus family has different survival rates, and the media is using the extreme ones to flog their panic narrative, but I've yet to see any data specific to Covid 19. I thought it was mentioned here, in one of the links: https://www.health.gov.au/news/health-alerts/novel-coronavirus-2019-ncov-health-alert#learn-more-about-coronavirus-covid19 The WHO page does say something not inconsistent: "... the new coronavirus can stay on surfaces for a few hours or up to several days (depending on the type of surface)" https://www.who.int/emergencies/diseases/novel-coronavirus-2019/advice-for-public/myth-busters

witpqs -> RE: OT: Corona virus (3/7/2020 1:38:16 AM)
I just looked, and as far as I can tell, the WHO has not updated their estimate of the mortality rate (their latest is 3.4%). I have a tremendously low opinion of journalism as practiced today, but I think it's not a failing of the major media to not be loudly proclaiming the possibility of the death rate being much lower. Of course, we all hope it turns out to be just that.

RangerJoe -> RE: OT: Corona virus (3/7/2020 1:50:58 AM)
The journalists today are nothing like Walter Cronkite was. If he said it then it was true. When reporting, he had no agenda other than the truth.

JohnDillworth -> RE: OT: Corona virus (3/7/2020 9:32:54 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: RangerJoe The journalists today are nothing like Walter Cronkite was. If he said it then it was true. When reporting, he had no agenda other than the truth. quote: The journalists today are nothing like Walter Cronkite was. If he said it then it was true. When reporting, he had no agenda other than the truth. Not the fault of the TV people but journalism has moved away from journalism to reporting on TV. You may, if you are lucky, get basic facts from some sources but you also get plenty of opinionated analysis, most of it it ignorant and some of it biased. Print journalism, has more than survived, it is downright flourishing. The NY Times, The Washington Post, The Atlantic and many, many others, are doing an outstanding job of reporting. Yes, you will have to invest a little bit of time and a tiny bit of treasure but print journalism is hitting out of the park. Just sticking to the Corona-virus issues you will find few better sources of practical, informed, well written , fact based information in the quality print sources. Great Journalism is put there, it just isn't on TV. Hundred of Pulitzer prizes do not not lie.

MakeeLearn -> RE: OT: Corona virus (3/7/2020 10:51:55 AM)
"I tell you I have been in the editorial business going on fourteen years, and it is the first time I ever heard of a man's having to know anything in order to edit a newspaper. You turnip! Who write the dramatic critiques for the second-rate papers? Why, a parcel of promoted shoemakers and apprentice apothecaries, who know just as much about good acting as I do about good farming and no more. Who review the books? People who never wrote one. Who do up the heavy leaders on finance? Parties who have had the largest opportunities for knowing nothing about it. Who criticise the Indian campaigns? Gentlemen who do not know a war-whoop from a wigwam, and who never have had to run a foot-race with a tomahawk or pluck arrows out of the several members of their families to build the evening camp-fire with. Who write the temperance appeals and clamor about the flowing bowl? Folks who will never draw another sober breath till they do it in the grave. Who edit the agricultural papers, you -- yam? Men, as a general thing, who fail in the poetry line, yellow covered novel line, sensation-drama line, city-editor line, and finally fall back on agriculture as a temporary reprieve from the poor-house. You try to tell me anything about the newspaper business! Sir, I have been through it from Alpha to Omaha, and I tell you that the less a man knows the bigger noise he makes and the higher the salary he commands. Heaven knows if I had but been ignorant instead of cultivated, and impudent instead of diffident, I could have made a name for myself in this cold, selfish world. I take my leave, sir. Since I have been treated as you have treated me, I am perfectly willing to go. But I have done my duty. I have fulfilled my contract, as far as I was permitted to do it. I said I could make your paper of interest to all classes, and I have. I said I could run your circulation up to twenty thousand copies, and if I had had two more weeks I'd have done it. And I'd have given you the best class of readers that ever an agricultural paper had -- not a farmer in it, nor a solitary individual who could tell a watermelon from a peach-vine to save his life. You are the loser by this rupture, not me, Pie-plant. Adios." I then left." - MARK TWAIN

Uncivil Engineer -> RE: OT: Corona virus (3/7/2020 11:18:44 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: HansBolter So January 20th is the date of occurrence of the first know case? Back at the turn of the year, I suffered a bout of the worst case of flu I have ever had in my entire life. It had me bedridden for three days, struggling to breathe and out of work for a week and took a good week and a half to get over. Is it possible I already had the coronavirus and survived it? HansBolter, AKA patient zero!

JohnDillworth -> RE: OT: Corona virus (3/7/2020 11:27:44 AM)
I walk past Mark Twain’s house a few times a week. Each time I can’t help but have a quote of Mr. Twain’s pop into my head. There is no shortage of them, but now I have a few more to put in the rotation.

RangerJoe -> RE: OT: Corona virus (3/7/2020 12:00:28 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: MakeeLearn "I tell you I have been in the editorial business going on fourteen years, and it is the first time I ever heard of a man's having to know anything in order to edit a newspaper. You turnip! Who write the dramatic critiques for the second-rate papers? Why, a parcel of promoted shoemakers and apprentice apothecaries, who know just as much about good acting as I do about good farming and no more. Who review the books? People who never wrote one. Who do up the heavy leaders on finance? Parties who have had the largest opportunities for knowing nothing about it. Who criticise the Indian campaigns? Gentlemen who do not know a war-whoop from a wigwam, and who never have had to run a foot-race with a tomahawk or pluck arrows out of the several members of their families to build the evening camp-fire with. Who write the temperance appeals and clamor about the flowing bowl? Folks who will never draw another sober breath till they do it in the grave. Who edit the agricultural papers, you -- yam? Men, as a general thing, who fail in the poetry line, yellow covered novel line, sensation-drama line, city-editor line, and finally fall back on agriculture as a temporary reprieve from the poor-house. You try to tell me anything about the newspaper business! Sir, I have been through it from Alpha to Omaha, and I tell you that the less a man knows the bigger noise he makes and the higher the salary he commands. Heaven knows if I had but been ignorant instead of cultivated, and impudent instead of diffident, I could have made a name for myself in this cold, selfish world. I take my leave, sir. Since I have been treated as you have treated me, I am perfectly willing to go. But I have done my duty. I have fulfilled my contract, as far as I was permitted to do it. I said I could make your paper of interest to all classes, and I have. I said I could run your circulation up to twenty thousand copies, and if I had had two more weeks I'd have done it. And I'd have given you the best class of readers that ever an agricultural paper had -- not a farmer in it, nor a solitary individual who could tell a watermelon from a peach-vine to save his life. You are the loser by this rupture, not me, Pie-plant. Adios." I then left." - MARK TWAIN Ah yes, pumpkin trees! [:D]

Canoerebel -> RE: OT: Corona virus (3/7/2020 1:07:35 PM)
Even when journalists tell the truth, or half-truths, they seldom tell the whole truth. The truth without the whole truth can be the equivalent of a lie, and will most assuredly be misleading and distorting. Journalists/their businesses determine what is newsworthy and what isn't, per their world view. They select what to devote time to and what to exclude. There may be 400,000,000 stories that could be done in a day but there might be time for 25. Consciously and subconsciously, they select what seems important to them (or to their agenda). To those who agree with them, the selection feels right and the news feels balanced. Any outlets who deviate from that norm appears biased and suspect. To those on the outside, the selection feels wrong and the news feels imbalanced. Any who deviate from that norm appear unbiased and reliable. In journalism schools, it used to be taught that the first priority was....profit (not objectivity or community service or whatever noble mission statements might be preferable to the "naïve"). Journalists got it badly wrong for 30-40 years. They took their eye off profit. Most major newspapers and television media shifted left. Eventually, some recognized that their bias was driving away customers on the right. Not in New York City, where a large percentage of the population shares that worldview; but certainly in Atlanta and Dallas and St. Louis. Too late, some of them tried to right the ship by offering right-leaning opinion columns to balance the left. But it was too late. They'd been too biased for too long, too many customers had left, and the internet-advertising-crisis caught them in a bad position. Magazines and newspapers began to shrink in size or go out of business, and television network viewership shrunk in size. It's their businesses and they have the right to shape them according to their views. If I have a different worldview, I can start my own newspaper or television network. It's a free country. In the meantime, I took my leave of those who are biased, preferring to selectively choose how I devote precious time (time is always precious) in the gathering/accepting of information.

Canoerebel -> RE: OT: Corona virus (3/7/2020 1:12:52 PM)
A Johns Hopkins map as of about 9 a.m. on Saturday morning, March 7. [image]local://upfiles/8143/9407FB9DB91C418D919CD16F0353BB1D.jpg[/image]

witpqs -> RE: OT: Corona virus (3/7/2020 1:43:13 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: JohnDillworth quote: ORIGINAL: RangerJoe The journalists today are nothing like Walter Cronkite was. If he said it then it was true. When reporting, he had no agenda other than the truth. quote: The journalists today are nothing like Walter Cronkite was. If he said it then it was true. When reporting, he had no agenda other than the truth. Not the fault of the TV people but journalism has moved away from journalism to reporting on TV. You may, if you are lucky, get basic facts from some sources but you also get plenty of opinionated analysis, most of it it ignorant and some of it biased. Print journalism, has more than survived, it is downright flourishing. The NY Times, The Washington Post, The Atlantic and many, many others, are doing an outstanding job of reporting. Yes, you will have to invest a little bit of time and a tiny bit of treasure but print journalism is hitting out of the park. Just sticking to the Corona-virus issues you will find few better sources of practical, informed, well written , fact based information in the quality print sources. Great Journalism is put there, it just isn't on TV. Hundred of Pulitzer prizes do not not lie. I see many instances where the organs you named get things factually wrong in a bombastic way in favor of ideology. We must just agree to disagree about print journalism.

witpqs -> RE: OT: Corona virus (3/7/2020 1:45:32 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Canoerebel A Johns Hopkins map as of about 9 a.m. on Saturday morning, March 7. [image]local://upfiles/8143/9407FB9DB91C418D919CD16F0353BB1D.jpg[/image] Same data source, different update cycle: COVID-19 CORONAVIRUS OUTBREAK Last updated: March 07, 2020, 14:34 GMT Coronavirus Cases: 104,094 Deaths: 3,526 Recovered: 58,559

Canoerebel -> RE: OT: Corona virus (3/7/2020 1:49:29 PM)
Perhaps the Johns Hopkins tabulators are taking it easy on a Saturday morning in Maryland? I know the university is hosting the NCAAA Division III basketball championship on campus. They closed it to spectators, as the virus has been confirmed in Maryland (and actually very close to the campus, I think). Only the players and coaches and refs and some media will be in the arena for the game. (I think the Johns Hopkins site is reputable and will "catch up" with the totals at some point. I'll keep using it for the sake of consistency in my updates, unless reliability issues should arise.)

witpqs -> RE: OT: Corona virus (3/7/2020 2:02:43 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Canoerebel Perhaps the Johns Hopkins tabulators are taking it easy on a Saturday morning in Maryland? I know the university is hosting the NCAAA Division III basketball championship on campus. They closed it to spectators, as the virus has been confirmed in Maryland (and actually very close to the campus, I think). Only the players and coaches and refs and some media will be in the arena for the game. (I think the Johns Hopkins site is reputable and will "catch up" with the totals at some point. I'll keep using it for the sake of consistency in my updates, unless reliability issues should arise.) No, no, they just have different update cycles. I'm sure they are not slacking!

RangerJoe -> RE: OT: Corona virus (3/7/2020 2:15:58 PM)
Hot air hand dryers just spread germs all over . . . The Dirty Truth About Hand Dryers Some dryers spread germs instead of removing them https://health.clevelandclinic.org/the-dirty-truth-about-hand-dryers/ The bacterial horror of hot-air hand dryers https://www.health.harvard.edu/blog/the-bacterial-horror-of-the-hot-air-hand-dryer-2018051113823 Is hand sanitizer better at preventing the flu than soap and water? https://www.health.harvard.edu/blog/is-hand-sanitizer-better-at-preventing-the-flu-than-soap-and-water-2018111315327

Erik Rutins -> RE: OT: Corona virus (3/7/2020 2:16:10 PM)
https://www.businessinsider.com/presentation-us-hospitals-preparing-for-millions-of-hospitalizations-2020-3

Erik Rutins -> RE: OT: Corona virus (3/7/2020 2:16:55 PM)
BREAKING - President Macron says the "coronavirus epidemic is unstoppable in France," after a meeting with #COVID19 researchers at the Elysee.

RangerJoe -> RE: OT: Corona virus (3/7/2020 2:33:31 PM)
Apparently they are either not drinking enough wine with its anti-viral properties, or someone wants to spend more money. Or both. But the research on this is a good thing to do as it will give insights not just for this disease but it can be used in comparison for other viral research, and into the resulting diseases, and cures.

Kull -> RE: OT: Corona virus (3/7/2020 2:39:04 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Erik Rutins BREAKING - President Macron says the "coronavirus epidemic is unstoppable in France," after a meeting with #COVID19 researchers at the Elysee. You mean that France, the home of "french kissing", the only way for non-symptomatic Covid-carriers to spread the disease, has decided that it's "unstoppable? Well, duh! [:'(]

durnedwolf -> RE: OT: Corona virus (3/7/2020 4:04:22 PM)
Lack of test kits, that was our dilemma... I heard somewhere that the Whitehouse purchased 21 buckets of Kentucky Fried Chicken and 50 Big Macs to be frozen and stockpiled in case they have to go under quarantine for two to three weeks. They thought about stockpiling salads for Malania but I guess there are already enough vegetables in the Whitehouse... [:'(] [image]local://upfiles/16754/FBF2B114EB6B43258DA17AC50A4D4D84.jpg[/image]

RangerJoe -> RE: OT: Corona virus (3/7/2020 4:10:00 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: durnedwolf Lack of test kits, that was our dilemma... I heard somewhere that the Whitehouse purchased 21 buckets of Kentucky Fried Chicken and 50 Big Macs to be frozen and stockpiled in case they have to go under quarantine for two to three weeks. They thought about stockpiling salads for Malania but I guess there are already enough vegetables in the Whitehouse... [:'(] [image]local://upfiles/16754/FBF2B114EB6B43258DA17AC50A4D4D84.jpg[/image] Please, let us not get political here.

durnedwolf -> RE: OT: Corona virus (3/7/2020 4:13:59 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: RangerJoe quote: ORIGINAL: durnedwolf Lack of test kits, that was our dilemma... I heard somewhere that the Whitehouse purchased 21 buckets of Kentucky Fried Chicken and 50 Big Macs to be frozen and stockpiled in case they have to go under quarantine for two to three weeks. They thought about stockpiling salads for Malania but I guess there are already enough vegetables in the Whitehouse... [:'(] [image]local://upfiles/16754/FBF2B114EB6B43258DA17AC50A4D4D84.jpg[/image] Please, let us not get political here. That's not intended to be political - it's just humor. If it offends you please disregard.

Kull -> RE: OT: Corona virus (3/7/2020 4:32:42 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: durnedwolf That's not intended to be political - it's just humor. If it offends you please disregard. Wrong answer

durnedwolf -> RE: OT: Corona virus (3/7/2020 4:35:12 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Kull quote: ORIGINAL: Erik Rutins BREAKING - President Macron says the "coronavirus epidemic is unstoppable in France," after a meeting with #COVID19 researchers at the Elysee. You mean that France, the home of "french kissing", the only way for non-symptomatic Covid-carriers to spread the disease, has decided that it's "unstoppable? Well, duh! [:'(] Really - was what I posted any more political than this?

witpqs -> RE: OT: Corona virus (3/7/2020 4:49:49 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: durnedwolf quote: ORIGINAL: Kull quote: ORIGINAL: Erik Rutins BREAKING - President Macron says the "coronavirus epidemic is unstoppable in France," after a meeting with #COVID19 researchers at the Elysee. You mean that France, the home of "french kissing", the only way for non-symptomatic Covid-carriers to spread the disease, has decided that it's "unstoppable? Well, duh! [:'(] Really - was what I posted any more political than this? You picked on Big Macs instead of on Whoppers! [:D] [;)]

Kull -> RE: OT: Corona virus (3/7/2020 5:34:25 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: durnedwolf quote: ORIGINAL: Kull quote: ORIGINAL: Erik Rutins BREAKING - President Macron says the "coronavirus epidemic is unstoppable in France," after a meeting with #COVID19 researchers at the Elysee. You mean that France, the home of "french kissing", the only way for non-symptomatic Covid-carriers to spread the disease, has decided that it's "unstoppable? Well, duh! [:'(] Really - was what I posted any more political than this? Words fail.....

durnedwolf -> RE: OT: Corona virus (3/7/2020 6:41:43 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Kull quote: ORIGINAL: durnedwolf quote: ORIGINAL: Kull quote: ORIGINAL: Erik Rutins BREAKING - President Macron says the "coronavirus epidemic is unstoppable in France," after a meeting with #COVID19 researchers at the Elysee. You mean that France, the home of "french kissing", the only way for non-symptomatic Covid-carriers to spread the disease, has decided that it's "unstoppable? Well, duh! [:'(] Really - was what I posted any more political than this? Words fail..... I think in regards to your statement we can both agree - lol. Look - if you are copping a waaaa 'cause of my post then I'm sorry you feel put out. What I posted was tongue-in-cheek humor to me. There are a lot of things posted from a lot of people from all over this blue marble and most of us have our own biases and prejudices. All I can say is that I wasn't trying to offend you or anyone else. If you took offense, I'm sorry you got sore and I ask that you please disregard what I posted. This thread is about the virus and in America we seem to have too few testing kits. Is that a fault of America's government? Many would say so. I would say so. Are there other means of checking to see if you or your family are infected other than making an appointment with your doctor, clinic, or ER? Yes. I really like that drive-by, roll down the window, swab and go thing I saw in the news. S. Korea has really ramped up kit production. I think America should have started our own ramp-up a few weeks back. Heck - we could probably copy the same kit the Koreans are using and start mass-producing… Right now, as I look at the data from the John Hopkins data map, I see that in America, the country I live in, over the last few days we seem to be increasing the number of confirmed COVID-19 cases by about 100 per day. The current number I see confirmed is 376 as I type. Total deaths are at 14 (12 of which are in King County and most of those from a nursing home). There are 8 people listed as recovered. So my math says that 356 are still dealing with the virus. My fear is that those numbers are very lite and that many-many cases go unreported. What I hear is that a lot of states and hospitals are reporting a shortage of test kits. I also realize that about a third of Americans (my estimate pulled firmly from the cheeks of my tail-pipe) are working 2 jobs and eating baloney and they are probably gunna try to go to work to earn a check instead of doing some method of self-quarantine. Sometimes - when things crop up that are out of the ordinary, a government of the people, by the people, and for the people needs to do something for the people without trying to get reimbursed. There are all sorts of "emergency" policies we can put into place on an "emergency" basis to help people that are infected by the virus, but first, we need to test our population heavily and, I would argue, free of charge. Back in the day, when I was military property, If there was a need for a "short arm" check, officers made it happen. It didn't matter what color I was, it didn't matter what rank I held, and it didn't matter if I was married or single. I submit that if this virus-thing is really important to us, we in America could grab this bull by the horns and punch it straight in the snout. That's my 2-cents.

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