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Lokasenna -> RE: OT: Corona virus (5/13/2020 8:27:04 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: RangerJoe quote: ORIGINAL: fcooke quote: ORIGINAL: Chickenboy quote: ORIGINAL: fcooke That said, the govt encourages you to have a mortgage in the US (tax write-offs), rates are low now, high dividend stocks are cheap. Bank savings interest rates are horrible. Just saying...... Just called my mortgage broker yesterday after receiving her 'remember us?' card in the mail. Nationally, business is gangbusters for mortgage companies-about 85% of it is refinancing operations. The Spring market is actually strong in areas that are allowing 'house hunters', so that's a positive too. I think that the rationale for mortgage interest deduction on one's taxes has abated in the last three years. The standard deduction is usually higher for couples filing married (joint) than mortgage interest. Combined with SALT caps for high-tax states (e.g., New York, Mass, NJ, CA), this augurs against the value of property for tax deductibility more recently. Fair enough. I was doing volunteer tax returns as part of the AARP program this year before we got shut down. The newer 'higher deduction' helps many people but the elimination of a bunch of legacy deductions hurts a few. All that said, if you can borrow at 3ish% there could be decent returns in other areas - not fixed income or annuities IMO. Real estate up here seems to be getting stronger as NYC folk are thinking they don't want to live in the petri dish. The other thing I learned as a tax volunteer is that the tax code is even more screwed up than I thought beforehand..... Charitable donations still work well.....so if you are so inclined you may want to give earlier this year - a bunch of those organizations are really hurting. The mortgage interest deduction was to encourage people to purchase their own home. For some people that makes sense but for others it does not. I noted before that I don't bother to file income taxes. But yes, I will give to charities and help others directly. Especially young boys and girls with candy and toys. No, this phat man will not wear a red suit. All of those deductions are for special interests, eliminate most of those and a lot of lawyers and accountants will have to find real work. Business executives will have to learn to run a business instead of milking the tax code. Those things do not sound like a bad idea. You can now claim up to $300 charitable donation even if you take the standard deduction, thanks to the CARES Act.

Lokasenna -> RE: OT: Corona virus (5/13/2020 8:28:23 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Alfred Heard on the radio today an economics reporter sate that March year on year sales of new automobiles fell 90% in France and 98% in Italy. Those two countries experience will not be friendless. Alfred There was a similar chart for Chinese auto sales in December/January that showed sales basically falling off a cliff.

Chickenboy -> RE: OT: Corona virus (5/13/2020 8:32:01 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Lokasenna quote: ORIGINAL: Canoerebel The press and those medically and/or politically opposed to re-opening predicted surges in new cases and morality when shelter-in-place ended in some states. But the Ro rates remain level or close thereto, including: Colorado, Texas, Florida, Georgia, Montana, Mississippi, Kansas and Idaho (source: https://rt.live/). The rates in each of those states is below 1.0, meaning the pandemic continues to decline. It's possible that the wheels may come off here or there, but to this point sky-is-falling assertions have been wrong. It hasn't been a disaster, no. But the jump in IHME modeled fatalities (up another 10k today, to 147k by August 4th) is a direct result of the easing of countermeasures. On the very day that the first gaggle of states announced they were going to end their lockdowns early, the IHME updated their numbers - from ~70K to >100K. That's a pretty big effect. We'll pass 100K confirmed dead in about another week. But aren't you presuming that that 'big effect' on predicted (and actual) numbers is from the ending of state lockdowns early? That hasn't really been the case. Mortality in the last two weeks has been the 'usual suspects' (MI, NY, NJ, MA) and a smattering of other states backfilling in the difference. You haven't got that 30,000 from Texas or Georgia or Montana or other states reopening earlier than others.

Lokasenna -> RE: OT: Corona virus (5/13/2020 8:33:12 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Alfred quote: ORIGINAL: Canoerebel I'll start looking now, but it shouldn't take long. The press isn't into owning up. [:)] That's not fair.[:)] Meet the Press admitted their hatchet job last weekend. Still waiting for 60 Minutes to admit to their hatchet job. For those not aware of what transpired, both deliberately edited out full answers provided by the Foreign Secretary and the A-G. The edited "answer" broadcast was one which allowed cheap shots at the integrity of the officials. Alfred I agree. The big outlets do frequently own up to mistakes - they care about maintaining their credibility, or what they see as their credibility. It is very common to see notations about edits/corrections, as well as what it said before, at the bottom of news stories and columns in the NYT, Washington Post, Wall Street Journal, LA Times, Financial Times, and so forth. Bigger, more respectable magazine outlets like The Atlantic also practiced this (back when I actually visited their site), so I would expect that all one would have to do to check up on an edit or correction (or retraction) would be to go to the original story's URL and look for the notation. If they made one, it will be on that page. Alternatively, you could compare the present version of the story on the URL with a cached version on Google or archives.org (if it is there). Edit: it's worth noting that every outlet I mentioned above is print, while those that are being maligned for not correcting stories are video. Video news is far less likely to admit a retraction, if only because doing so would take time away from their real-time "reporting" on future updates.

Chickenboy -> RE: OT: Corona virus (5/13/2020 8:33:21 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Lokasenna quote: ORIGINAL: RangerJoe quote: ORIGINAL: fcooke quote: ORIGINAL: Chickenboy quote: ORIGINAL: fcooke That said, the govt encourages you to have a mortgage in the US (tax write-offs), rates are low now, high dividend stocks are cheap. Bank savings interest rates are horrible. Just saying...... Just called my mortgage broker yesterday after receiving her 'remember us?' card in the mail. Nationally, business is gangbusters for mortgage companies-about 85% of it is refinancing operations. The Spring market is actually strong in areas that are allowing 'house hunters', so that's a positive too. I think that the rationale for mortgage interest deduction on one's taxes has abated in the last three years. The standard deduction is usually higher for couples filing married (joint) than mortgage interest. Combined with SALT caps for high-tax states (e.g., New York, Mass, NJ, CA), this augurs against the value of property for tax deductibility more recently. Fair enough. I was doing volunteer tax returns as part of the AARP program this year before we got shut down. The newer 'higher deduction' helps many people but the elimination of a bunch of legacy deductions hurts a few. All that said, if you can borrow at 3ish% there could be decent returns in other areas - not fixed income or annuities IMO. Real estate up here seems to be getting stronger as NYC folk are thinking they don't want to live in the petri dish. The other thing I learned as a tax volunteer is that the tax code is even more screwed up than I thought beforehand..... Charitable donations still work well.....so if you are so inclined you may want to give earlier this year - a bunch of those organizations are really hurting. The mortgage interest deduction was to encourage people to purchase their own home. For some people that makes sense but for others it does not. I noted before that I don't bother to file income taxes. But yes, I will give to charities and help others directly. Especially young boys and girls with candy and toys. No, this phat man will not wear a red suit. All of those deductions are for special interests, eliminate most of those and a lot of lawyers and accountants will have to find real work. Business executives will have to learn to run a business instead of milking the tax code. Those things do not sound like a bad idea. You can now claim up to $300 charitable donation even if you take the standard deduction, thanks to the CARES Act. Good to know. I had scaled back my cash charitable contributions of late since they were no longer deductible for me.

Lokasenna -> RE: OT: Corona virus (5/13/2020 8:35:29 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: RangerJoe quote: ORIGINAL: Lowpe This tactic is really go viral across the United States, I hear even states are adopting it. Portland Public Schools plans to furlough teachers, principals, other staffers 1 day a week -- but they�d make more money not less https://www.oregonlive.com/education/2020/05/portland-public-schools-plans-to-furlough-teachers-principals-other-staffers-1-day-a-week-but-theyd-make-more-money-not-less.html I think that the program should be modified to stop this. Also, will they have a reduced workload or will they be expected to have the same work output. Well, their outputs don't really change (it's not like 20% of the curriculum is being chopped off) - but they have to work 4 days instead of 5, so either they're unofficially working on a 5th day or they have to get more done in the 4 days that they are working.

Chickenboy -> RE: OT: Corona virus (5/13/2020 8:36:39 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Lokasenna quote: ORIGINAL: Alfred Heard on the radio today an economics reporter sate that March year on year sales of new automobiles fell 90% in France and 98% in Italy. Those two countries experience will not be friendless. Alfred There was a similar chart for Chinese auto sales in December/January that showed sales basically falling off a cliff. I think I remember reading that figures for American manufacturers were >48% drop YOY. Not as crazy as Italy, but certainly sizable and probably not sustainable for the industry's long-term health.

Lokasenna -> RE: OT: Corona virus (5/13/2020 8:41:49 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Chickenboy quote: ORIGINAL: Lokasenna quote: ORIGINAL: Canoerebel The press and those medically and/or politically opposed to re-opening predicted surges in new cases and morality when shelter-in-place ended in some states. But the Ro rates remain level or close thereto, including: Colorado, Texas, Florida, Georgia, Montana, Mississippi, Kansas and Idaho (source: https://rt.live/). The rates in each of those states is below 1.0, meaning the pandemic continues to decline. It's possible that the wheels may come off here or there, but to this point sky-is-falling assertions have been wrong. It hasn't been a disaster, no. But the jump in IHME modeled fatalities (up another 10k today, to 147k by August 4th) is a direct result of the easing of countermeasures. On the very day that the first gaggle of states announced they were going to end their lockdowns early, the IHME updated their numbers - from ~70K to >100K. That's a pretty big effect. We'll pass 100K confirmed dead in about another week. But aren't you presuming that that 'big effect' on predicted (and actual) numbers is from the ending of state lockdowns early? That hasn't really been the case. Mortality in the last two weeks has been the 'usual suspects' (MI, NY, NJ, MA) and a smattering of other states backfilling in the difference. You haven't got that 30,000 from Texas or Georgia or Montana or other states reopening earlier than others. Well, I can't time travel back to the day of the widening of the error bars and the jump in projected fatalities. I didn't have time then to dig more into it, and I wasn't planning to prepare an argument on it with evidence, so all I can do is note that the jump in projected fatalities occurred in the very next update after the governors announced a loosening of restrictions. I agree with the observation that in the last couple of weeks the deaths are largely driven by big states and a couple of others. It's worth noting that it's worth looking at the US-minus-NY if we want an idea of what is going on in the country as a whole, but there are few charts out there for that. I only saw one, and I think the person whose page I saw it on put it together on their own in Excel. That was more than a week ago, but NY still had a pronounced curve shape at that time for daily deaths. The US-minus-NY numbers showed a curve that was still increasing.

Lokasenna -> RE: OT: Corona virus (5/13/2020 8:43:32 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Chickenboy quote: ORIGINAL: Lokasenna quote: ORIGINAL: RangerJoe quote: ORIGINAL: fcooke quote: ORIGINAL: Chickenboy quote: ORIGINAL: fcooke That said, the govt encourages you to have a mortgage in the US (tax write-offs), rates are low now, high dividend stocks are cheap. Bank savings interest rates are horrible. Just saying...... Just called my mortgage broker yesterday after receiving her 'remember us?' card in the mail. Nationally, business is gangbusters for mortgage companies-about 85% of it is refinancing operations. The Spring market is actually strong in areas that are allowing 'house hunters', so that's a positive too. I think that the rationale for mortgage interest deduction on one's taxes has abated in the last three years. The standard deduction is usually higher for couples filing married (joint) than mortgage interest. Combined with SALT caps for high-tax states (e.g., New York, Mass, NJ, CA), this augurs against the value of property for tax deductibility more recently. Fair enough. I was doing volunteer tax returns as part of the AARP program this year before we got shut down. The newer 'higher deduction' helps many people but the elimination of a bunch of legacy deductions hurts a few. All that said, if you can borrow at 3ish% there could be decent returns in other areas - not fixed income or annuities IMO. Real estate up here seems to be getting stronger as NYC folk are thinking they don't want to live in the petri dish. The other thing I learned as a tax volunteer is that the tax code is even more screwed up than I thought beforehand..... Charitable donations still work well.....so if you are so inclined you may want to give earlier this year - a bunch of those organizations are really hurting. The mortgage interest deduction was to encourage people to purchase their own home. For some people that makes sense but for others it does not. I noted before that I don't bother to file income taxes. But yes, I will give to charities and help others directly. Especially young boys and girls with candy and toys. No, this phat man will not wear a red suit. All of those deductions are for special interests, eliminate most of those and a lot of lawyers and accountants will have to find real work. Business executives will have to learn to run a business instead of milking the tax code. Those things do not sound like a bad idea. You can now claim up to $300 charitable donation even if you take the standard deduction, thanks to the CARES Act. Good to know. I had scaled back my cash charitable contributions of late since they were no longer deductible for me. Here's a citation: https://www.nolo.com/legal-encyclopedia/new-rules-for-charitable-contribution-deductions-under-the-cares-act.html

Canoerebel -> RE: OT: Corona virus (5/13/2020 8:48:35 PM)
Lokasenna, we must be looking at different charts and information. The IHME increase was yesterday. Georgia's projected toll dropped from 3,500 to 2,000 (and one day earlier it was at 4,900). Clearly, IHME doesn't foresee problems with the easing in Georgia. Ditto many other states, but not all. As for the RT rates, there's nothing on any of the charts I see indicating a margin of error for Ro at or above 1.0 for Georgia. We must be looking at different charts. quote: ORIGINAL: Lokasenna quote: ORIGINAL: Canoerebel The press and those medically and/or politically opposed to re-opening predicted surges in new cases and morality when shelter-in-place ended in some states. But the Ro rates remain level or close thereto, including: Colorado, Texas, Florida, Georgia, Montana, Mississippi, Kansas and Idaho (source: https://rt.live/). The rates in each of those states is below 1.0, meaning the pandemic continues to decline. It's possible that the wheels may come off here or there, but to this point sky-is-falling assertions have been wrong. It hasn't been a disaster, no. But the jump in IHME modeled fatalities (up another 10k today, to 147k by August 4th) is a direct result of the easing of countermeasures. On the very day that the first gaggle of states announced they were going to end their lockdowns early, the IHME updated their numbers - from ~70K to >100K. That's a pretty big effect. We'll pass 100K confirmed dead in about another week.

fcooke -> RE: OT: Corona virus (5/13/2020 9:10:44 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Lokasenna quote: ORIGINAL: Chickenboy quote: ORIGINAL: Lokasenna quote: ORIGINAL: RangerJoe quote: ORIGINAL: fcooke quote: ORIGINAL: Chickenboy quote: ORIGINAL: fcooke That said, the govt encourages you to have a mortgage in the US (tax write-offs), rates are low now, high dividend stocks are cheap. Bank savings interest rates are horrible. Just saying...... Just called my mortgage broker yesterday after receiving her 'remember us?' card in the mail. Nationally, business is gangbusters for mortgage companies-about 85% of it is refinancing operations. The Spring market is actually strong in areas that are allowing 'house hunters', so that's a positive too. I think that the rationale for mortgage interest deduction on one's taxes has abated in the last three years. The standard deduction is usually higher for couples filing married (joint) than mortgage interest. Combined with SALT caps for high-tax states (e.g., New York, Mass, NJ, CA), this augurs against the value of property for tax deductibility more recently. Fair enough. I was doing volunteer tax returns as part of the AARP program this year before we got shut down. The newer 'higher deduction' helps many people but the elimination of a bunch of legacy deductions hurts a few. All that said, if you can borrow at 3ish% there could be decent returns in other areas - not fixed income or annuities IMO. Real estate up here seems to be getting stronger as NYC folk are thinking they don't want to live in the petri dish. The other thing I learned as a tax volunteer is that the tax code is even more screwed up than I thought beforehand..... Charitable donations still work well.....so if you are so inclined you may want to give earlier this year - a bunch of those organizations are really hurting. The mortgage interest deduction was to encourage people to purchase their own home. For some people that makes sense but for others it does not. I noted before that I don't bother to file income taxes. But yes, I will give to charities and help others directly. Especially young boys and girls with candy and toys. No, this phat man will not wear a red suit. All of those deductions are for special interests, eliminate most of those and a lot of lawyers and accountants will have to find real work. Business executives will have to learn to run a business instead of milking the tax code. Those things do not sound like a bad idea. You can now claim up to $300 charitable donation even if you take the standard deduction, thanks to the CARES Act. Good to know. I had scaled back my cash charitable contributions of late since they were no longer deductible for me. Here's a citation: https://www.nolo.com/legal-encyclopedia/new-rules-for-charitable-contribution-deductions-under-the-cares-act.html And if you don't like paying taxes, using appreciated stock (if you have it), means you don't pay taxes on the gain if you donate it to charity but get the full value of the donation on your tax write-off. And most financial firms won't charge you a penny for the transfer to the charity

Canoerebel -> RE: OT: Corona virus (5/13/2020 9:24:36 PM)
Regarding yesterday's revision to IHME projections for mortality, much of the increase that bumped US mortality to 147k came from New Jersey, where the projection is now 14.5k deaths.

RangerJoe -> RE: OT: Corona virus (5/13/2020 9:34:48 PM)
Related to this situation, bewware when you are day trading: He started the day with $77,000 � by midnight, he owed $9 million Published: May 11, 2020 https://www.marketwatch.com/story/he-started-the-day-with-77000-by-midnight-he-owed-9-million-2020-05-10?link=TD_nypost_articles.7c7e0f416376f79f&utm_source=nypost_articles.7c7e0f416376f79f&utm_campaign=circular&utm_medium=MARKETWATCH

BBfanboy -> RE: OT: Corona virus (5/13/2020 9:57:03 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: RangerJoe quote: ORIGINAL: JohnDillworth quote: ORIGINAL: Canoerebel Today is a milestone date for my state. Georgia began easing countermeasures 19 days ago, to much fanfare and criticism. Then, 14 days ago, the governor allowed many other restrictions, including shelter in place, to expire. Local and national media predicted terrible things, as typified by that Atlantic headline "Georgia begins Experiment in Human Sacrifice." John Dillworth noted (correctly) that Georgia was effectively serving as a bellwether for the rest of the country. So far, so good. Numbers have been trending positive for a month and continue to do so. None of the calamities predicted by the press or the political opponents. Lots of things remain closed, including those who have the option of re-opening, but many people are back to work and things are ramping up gradually, which seems like a sensible way to do it. All medical systems have plenty of capacity to handle the occasional hotspots (there has been one - in Hall County, reportedly tied to a poultry-processing facility). Indeed, things look promising. I've heard anecdotal evidence that while business are open, attendance at some restaurants was down considerably from mothers day last year. I've been unable to get any evidence either way. Not trying to make any point but Georgia has been hit harder than most on the lost jobs front. Don't know why Georgia lost so many jobs so fast. Anyway, see if you can find any info on actual attendance at places. I also understand bars are still closed. That seems wise because as soon as they opened them in Korea and Germany that is where the spikes were. Easy for us non-drinkers to say stuff like that I suppose but I understand that our fellow forum participants might modestly partake from time to time [:)] Bars are also a place where people like to socialize, play darts, pool, and do other things. The problem that I see is if a 60% alcohol solution is enough to kill the corona virus, how can a person consume that much? 60% would be 120 Proof. Very few beverages sold with that high an alcohol content. Moonshine might get there but most commercial distilleries want their patrons to consume more instead of going blotto on drink 3.

BBfanboy -> RE: OT: Corona virus (5/13/2020 10:03:41 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Cap Mandrake A California county telling Tesla they can't open an assembly line is exactly the kind of idiocy that WILL bring on a 1930's style disaster. They didn't tell Tesla they could not open, they gave them a set of conditions for opening and asked Tesla how they would be meeting them. Musk chose to ignore that and reopen.

Lowpe -> RE: OT: Corona virus (5/13/2020 10:15:54 PM)
In major reversal, Wolf administration says Pa. will begin weekly testing of nursing home residents, employees https://www.pennlive.com/news/2020/05/in-major-reversal-wolf-administration-says-pa-will-begin-weekly-testing-of-nursing-home-residents-employees.html Many thumbs up to Spotlight PA journalists.[:)]

JohnDillworth -> RE: OT: Corona virus (5/13/2020 10:47:37 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Lowpe BROADWAY WON�T REOPEN IN 2020. NOR WILL THE MET https://slippedisc.com/2020/05/broadway-wont-reopen-in-2020-nor-will-the-met/ Thats me. NYC Ballet and the Philharmonic will not happen until at least the Fall. The Ballet was always my wifes birthday present. Now I got a week to figure something out. Not good. A long time ago Leonard Bernstein used to rehearse the Philharmonic Friday mornings and allow college students in for $4. Best education I ever got

RangerJoe -> RE: OT: Corona virus (5/13/2020 11:07:21 PM)
Why Meatpacking Plants Have Become Covid-19 Hot Spots Frigid temperatures, cramped conditions, and long hours put meat processing workers at higher risk for contracting the novel coronavirus. https://www.wired.com/story/why-meatpacking-plants-have-become-covid-19-hot-spots/#intcid=recommendations_wired-right-rail-popular_45eec1be-0bdd-4b19-ae95-d1164a784748_virality-uplift-1

witpqs -> RE: OT: Corona virus (5/13/2020 11:09:23 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Alfred quote: ORIGINAL: Canoerebel I'll start looking now, but it shouldn't take long. The press isn't into owning up. [:)] That's not fair.[:)] Meet the Press admitted their hatchet job last weekend. Still waiting for 60 Minutes to admit to their hatchet job. For those not aware of what transpired, both deliberately edited out full answers provided by the Foreign Secretary and the A-G. The edited "answer" broadcast was one which allowed cheap shots at the integrity of the officials. Alfred Basically, (unless I got this backward) NBC blamed CBS. Said they used a quote from the other network without checking for themselves, which is 1) hardly complimentary, and 2) we know they have all been doing for a long time.

Lowpe -> RE: OT: Corona virus (5/13/2020 11:09:35 PM)
Wisconsin Supreme Court strikes down Tony Evers' stay-at-home order that closed businesses, schools to limit spread of coronavirus https://www.jsonline.com/story/news/politics/2020/05/13/wisconsin-supreme-court-strikes-down-tony-evers-coronavirus-orders/5179205002/ Milwaukee Journal Sentinel

witpqs -> RE: OT: Corona virus (5/13/2020 11:14:55 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Cap Mandrake A California county telling Tesla they can't open an assembly line is exactly the kind of idiocy that WILL bring on a 1930's style disaster. California Police Attempt To Arrest Elon Musk's Holographic Decoy As Real Musk Escapes On Rocket To Mars

Lowpe -> RE: OT: Corona virus (5/13/2020 11:32:00 PM)
The City of Brotherly Love, Philadelphia Great News. Philadelphia�s Gangs Apparently Ready To Reopen From Shutdown https://hotair.com/archives/jazz-shaw/2020/05/13/great-news-philadelphias-gangs-apparently-ready-reopen-shutdown/

Admiral DadMan -> RE: OT: Corona virus (5/13/2020 11:49:54 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: BBfanboy quote: ORIGINAL: RangerJoe quote: ORIGINAL: JohnDillworth quote: ORIGINAL: Canoerebel Today is a milestone date for my state. Georgia began easing countermeasures 19 days ago, to much fanfare and criticism. Then, 14 days ago, the governor allowed many other restrictions, including shelter in place, to expire. Local and national media predicted terrible things, as typified by that Atlantic headline "Georgia begins Experiment in Human Sacrifice." John Dillworth noted (correctly) that Georgia was effectively serving as a bellwether for the rest of the country. So far, so good. Numbers have been trending positive for a month and continue to do so. None of the calamities predicted by the press or the political opponents. Lots of things remain closed, including those who have the option of re-opening, but many people are back to work and things are ramping up gradually, which seems like a sensible way to do it. All medical systems have plenty of capacity to handle the occasional hotspots (there has been one - in Hall County, reportedly tied to a poultry-processing facility). Indeed, things look promising. I've heard anecdotal evidence that while business are open, attendance at some restaurants was down considerably from mothers day last year. I've been unable to get any evidence either way. Not trying to make any point but Georgia has been hit harder than most on the lost jobs front. Don't know why Georgia lost so many jobs so fast. Anyway, see if you can find any info on actual attendance at places. I also understand bars are still closed. That seems wise because as soon as they opened them in Korea and Germany that is where the spikes were. Easy for us non-drinkers to say stuff like that I suppose but I understand that our fellow forum participants might modestly partake from time to time [:)] Bars are also a place where people like to socialize, play darts, pool, and do other things. The problem that I see is if a 60% alcohol solution is enough to kill the corona virus, how can a person consume that much? 60% would be 120 Proof. Very few beverages sold with that high an alcohol content. Moonshine might get there but most commercial distilleries want their patrons to consume more instead of going blotto on drink 3. I'm not as think as you drunk I am

CaptBeefheart -> RE: OT: Corona virus (5/14/2020 1:48:08 AM)
Lokasenna: The cluster from one guy partying in Seoul on May 1-2 (one night) has gone up to 50 direct infections and 70 secondary infections according to today's news: Over 24,000 linked to Itaewon cluster tested: Seoul mayor Due to the sensitive nature of the case (gay clubs and all that), the city decided to offer free, anonymous testing to anyone who had been in that area. Some people are worried about their jobs if their bosses find out they've been to a gay club. So, the anonymous bit is a good thing. The city is threatening fines of about $1600 if you were in that area and don't come forward for testing. For a while testing has been offered to illegal immigrants under the proviso they don't tell the Immigration Department. JohnDillworth: I'd like to clarify that "large entertainment establishments" received a one-month closure order from the Seoul city government. As far as I can tell, none of my normal watering holes have been affected. I haven't gone to nightclubs in this country since the early Zeroes. One thing to note here is that the government is very beholden to public opinion (probably more so than in other places). Obviously, these gay clubs have received a lot of bad press recently, so it was not a big thing for the mayor to shut down large establishments in general. The average person doesn't like those places anyway--they are considered hangouts for 20-somethings with too much disposable income (i.e. they live rent-free with mom and dad) and rich people in general (depending on the type of establishment). Now, if the government were to threaten to shut down the estimated 87,000 chicken and beer places in the country, you'd have an insurrection. The livelihoods of too many people depend on "chi-maek" joints and small restaurants in general. EDIT: The city is demanding people who were in the Itaewon area from April 24 to May 6 be tested, hence the large number of tests. My buddy just reminded me we had dinner at a Czech joint in the area on April 23. There goes my chance to get a free COVID test. Cheers, CB

MakeeLearn -> RE: OT: Corona virus (5/14/2020 3:54:58 AM)
Coronavirus may never go away, World Health Organization warns 22 minutes ago https://www.bbc.com/news/world-52643682 "What did WHO say? "It is important to put this on the table: this virus may become just another endemic virus in our communities, and this virus may never go away," Dr Ryan told the virtual press conference from Geneva. "HIV has not gone away - but we have come to terms with the virus." [image]local://upfiles/55056/E5A81F7D89044C759E7A735A7EB14BA0.jpg[/image]

witpqs -> RE: OT: Corona virus (5/14/2020 7:20:58 AM)
One draft (perhaps not the latest) of the CDC reopening guidelines. https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/6883734-CDC-Business-Plans.html

mind_messing -> RE: OT: Corona virus (5/14/2020 8:26:09 AM)
Grim reading from this weeks update in Scotland. https://www.nrscotland.gov.uk/files//statistics/covid19/covid-deaths-report-week-19.pdf Death rate 2.3 times higher in the most deprived areas than least deprived areas. Granted, most of the deaths have been in Glasgow and surrounding areas (which are generally more deprived) but that's still a pretty serious difference given how SIMD works.

RangerJoe -> RE: OT: Corona virus (5/14/2020 10:40:11 AM)
I was reading where it is the crowded conditions, not necessarily the high density population. Before anyone complains, the crowded conditions is where a lot of people are living in close quarters, not necessarily a high rise apartment building. The link that I posted about the meat packing industry explains it.

Cap Mandrake -> RE: OT: Corona virus (5/14/2020 11:19:24 AM)
If there really are 50 primary cases from the "curious" guy in South Korea that is an R0=50 What the heck was the guy DOING?

RangerJoe -> RE: OT: Corona virus (5/14/2020 12:29:11 PM)
Minnesota and Mississippi are the latest to reopen their battered economies despite health experts warning that lifting coronavirus restrictions may spark new surge - as new cases surpass one million https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8261913/Minnesota-Mississippi-latest-reopen-amid-COVID-19.html

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