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Nomad -> RE: OT: Corona virus (5/15/2020 2:50:56 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Cap Mandrake

Even though I am at risk at work I have to admit I am getting damn tired of some slicked-back-hair guy in Sacramento telling me what beach I can walk on.

I am flying up to Bozeman, Montana in 2 weeks for some float trips on the Madison and maybe fish in Yellowstone too. And I'm not going to wear a mask standing hip deep in a river. I predict I will not be arrested in Montana.


to my neck of the woods, welcome Cap.




Cap Mandrake -> RE: OT: Corona virus (5/15/2020 2:56:46 PM)

Gavin Newsome has a briefing EVERY GD day and the local radio stations cover every one. Ditto Garcetti (Mayor of LA). Improbably, Garcetti is more painful to listen to than Newsome. They say the same s*** ever day. Garcetti droning on about "the Unsheltered" or "our most vulnerable" (the same group).

It's beyond human endurance. Meanwhile, county jail inmates are TRYING to infect themselves with COVID to get released. [:D]




Cap Mandrake -> RE: OT: Corona virus (5/15/2020 2:57:33 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Nomad


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ORIGINAL: Cap Mandrake

Even though I am at risk at work I have to admit I am getting damn tired of some slicked-back-hair guy in Sacramento telling me what beach I can walk on.

I am flying up to Bozeman, Montana in 2 weeks for some float trips on the Madison and maybe fish in Yellowstone too. And I'm not going to wear a mask standing hip deep in a river. I predict I will not be arrested in Montana.


to my neck of the woods, welcome Cap.


How high are the rivers running?




Nomad -> RE: OT: Corona virus (5/15/2020 3:33:31 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Cap Mandrake


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ORIGINAL: Nomad


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ORIGINAL: Cap Mandrake

Even though I am at risk at work I have to admit I am getting damn tired of some slicked-back-hair guy in Sacramento telling me what beach I can walk on.

I am flying up to Bozeman, Montana in 2 weeks for some float trips on the Madison and maybe fish in Yellowstone too. And I'm not going to wear a mask standing hip deep in a river. I predict I will not be arrested in Montana.


to my neck of the woods, welcome Cap.


How high are the rivers running?



Good question, I don't know, but I will try to find out. YNP is closed right now, expect it to open the Montana gates soon, I don't fly fish, and I almost never go to Bozeman. The Snake seems about normal.




RangerJoe -> RE: OT: Corona virus (5/15/2020 3:36:03 PM)

Well, current lectures could be recorded, then edited by upper class or even graduate students in the respective fields. Then approved by the faculty. From a class that I had done by watching videos, the lectures took half the time. If done in a classroom setting, then the rest of the class time could be for discussions.

At least one state that I know of allows high school students to attend college in lieu of high school with the college classes paid for by the state.




durnedwolf -> RE: OT: Corona virus (5/15/2020 4:09:44 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Cap Mandrake

Even though I am at risk at work I have to admit I am getting damn tired of some slicked-back-hair guy in Sacramento telling me what beach I can walk on.

I am flying up to Bozeman, Montana in 2 weeks for some float trips on the Madison and maybe fish in Yellowstone too. And I'm not going to wear a mask standing hip deep in a river. I predict I will not be arrested in Montana.



Oh they're gonna love you up there - bringing up the Cali-forn-ya COVID stuff up into God's Country... [:D][:D]




Lowpe -> RE: OT: Corona virus (5/15/2020 4:12:04 PM)

Just stories from the assisted living front:

My parents live in a 10 unit assisted living building. The other buildings at the complex are much larger populations with smaller personal living spaces but bigger common areas (which have been closed). There is nursing and memory buildings too. So max occupancy is 20, but there there are currently 5 widows and 1 widower and two units were caught out of town when the facility was locked down (which predated the State lockdown). I am sure they will be locked down longer than the state recommends too.

Anyhow, about a week ago they decided to meet every other day for a cocktail party where they all bring their own drinks and talk for about an hour or hour and half. They did not seek permission for doing this.

Many of the widows admitted yesterday to spending all day crying, especially when the weather is poor (they are allowed to walk outside). Face masks and social distancing are mandatory. No visitors allowed.

The ladies are also upset they can't visit a hairdresser or have the staff hair dresser visit them. For the first time in her life, despite being 86, my mother has white hair.

One unit saw a normal non covid death, she was doing poorly, and taken to the hospital where she died after several days alone. The husband was never allowed to leave the facility, no funeral is planned. The guy is actually a very well known public figure in Philadelphia area and in the nation. My brother living in California found out about the death before my parents did and they were best friends and have known each other for 20 years...this was pre cocktail party get together. I think it might have been the catalyst for these seniors to start doing the cocktail parties.





Canoerebel -> RE: OT: Corona virus (5/15/2020 4:16:10 PM)

Ron Fournier once wrote for The Atlantic and was Washington bureau chief for Associated Press. On April 20, he tweeted that Georgia's governor "would have blood on his hands" in two or three weeks for easing countermeasures. Three and a half weeks later, cases and deaths continue to decline here. Today Fournier grudgingly acknowledged he got it wrong.

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durnedwolf -> RE: OT: Corona virus (5/15/2020 4:22:28 PM)


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ORIGINAL: mind_messing


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ORIGINAL: Lowpe

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ORIGINAL: obvert


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ORIGINAL: Lowpe

How decisions are made: 3 part time research assistants and a associate professor whip up a Covid model over the weekend that the:

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Governor Walz relied heavily on these projections when he made his decision to issue a stay-at-home order on March 27.


https://cse.umn.edu/college/feature-stories/modeling-covid-19-minnesota

Modeling COVID-19 for Minnesota




This is another good article about people with expertise stepping up to work through the day and night to help figure this out. Hats off to them for this work.

I also love that this is going these reserchers a chance to continue to work with new inputs and a better understanding as this develops to fine tune the tools they've created.


That is certainly one way of looking at it.[:)] Another might be to look at the relationship between ICU patients and confirmed cases.

Mid April there were 100 COVID patients in an ICU status with approx. 1,800 confirmed cases. A month later there are 200 COVID patients in ICU with 13,000 confirmed cases. With more testing the relationship between positive cases and ICU cases is likely to drop. Yet they are now projecting an increase to 3,600 ventilator cases over the next 8 weeks.

They are predicting 1700 deaths by end of May, 29,000 deaths for 12 months. They are according to worldometers at 672. Interesting to note, and sad, nursing home deaths account for 80%.

Also interesting that the model assumed an 80% compliance rate with the lockdown, but they just reported that there is about a 36% compliance. How that is measured I don't know...cell phone tracking perhaps? 36 is an awfully specific number.

I will give kudos to MN for releasing the model publicly, but it took them until yesterday to do it..


That's one way, however the most common is just a random sample asking about intentions to comply. If it's as low as 36% - eek!


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ORIGINAL: Canoerebel

I'm not sure about editing, but I doubt it. The lectures are pretty long and editing takes a long time. They are necessary at the moment, and could have other uses (as you note), but IMO will never come close to the classroom environment. I've been teaching in classrooms for more than 30 years and love it. I can't imagine that remote learning could ever replace the old-fashioned way. It's a necessity (or convenience) of this modern world, but yuck.


I think it depends both on the teacher and the learner. I've seen some great online lectures (Tim Pychyl springs immediately to mind), and what is engaging in person should also be engaging online.

To my mind the problem is that you've significantly less control over the learning environment with online classes, and interaction is much more of a challenge.

It is, however, something I would like to see become the norm. Bricks and mortar learning establishments have a role to play but we often forget that not everyone is in a position to attend bricks and mortar establishments.


They didn't have any colleges here in the U.S. until Harvard in 1636. You can't stop someone from learning if they want the knowledge. What I really gained from the classroom experience were the open discussions between students and the instructors, and in truth, those classes were few and far between. Most classes I took were primarily lectured, with little in-the-class participation.

I will note that there are some very good platforms for online instruction. Zoom and other video-meeting products allow students & instructors from all over the world to meet and chat just as if you were on the phone with them - but with the additional benefit of being able to share their computer screen with everyone in the meeting. Study groups can actually work on a paper in real-time, or divvy up a project and then get feedback from their group as they are in the process of merging everything together into a final presentation.




durnedwolf -> RE: OT: Corona virus (5/15/2020 4:27:51 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Canoerebel

Ron Fournier once wrote for The Atlantic and was Washington bureau chief for Associated Press. On April 20, he tweeted that Georgia's governor "would have blood on his hands" in two or three weeks for easing countermeasures. Three and a half weeks later, cases and deaths continue to decline here. Today Fournier grudgingly acknowledged he got it wrong.

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Jeepers Dan - you need to hide your goat better...

There's a lot of people blowing smoke up our tailpipes in regards to the COVID. Everybody (from every political perspective) seems to have an opinion and they wanna share it. Don't let them trip you up - life is too short. [8D]




Lowpe -> RE: OT: Corona virus (5/15/2020 4:33:17 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Canoerebel

Ron Fournier once wrote for The Atlantic and was Washington bureau chief for Associated Press. On April 20, he tweeted that Georgia's governor "would have blood on his hands" in two or three weeks for easing countermeasures. Three and a half weeks later, cases and deaths continue to decline here. Today Fournier grudgingly acknowledged he got it wrong.

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I actually saw an article about this guy the other day...a tweet from him in the article says to check back in with him in another 3 weeks. Guess he changed that answer.





Canoerebel -> RE: OT: Corona virus (5/15/2020 4:49:52 PM)

Thanks. I'm not familiar with the term, but like it and think I understand it, from context. This is fun stuff - very interesting.

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ORIGINAL: durnedwolf

...
Jeepers Dan - you need to hide your goat better...

There's a lot of people blowing smoke up our tailpipes in regards to the COVID. Everybody (from every political perspective) seems to have an opinion and they wanna share it. Don't let them trip you up - life is too short. [8D]






RangerJoe -> RE: OT: Corona virus (5/15/2020 5:02:37 PM)

Hide Your Goat: Strategies To Stay Positive When Negativity Surrounds You
by Steve Gilliland

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Hide Your Goat: Strategies To Stay Positive When Negativity Surrounds You

Hide Your Goat is for every person who has ever said, “Why me?” It is for every person who feels like everywhere you turn, you meet problems, obstacles, difficulties – large ones, small ones, all sizes. Filled with thought-provoking questions, ideas and solutions, this book will help you stay positive while dealing with life’s disappointments and the negativity that encompasses our society. Whereas, you can’t change the people and circumstances that try to get your goat, Hide Your Goat will help you stay positive when negativity surrounds you. The book focuses on six core principles.

• The Courage to Recognize Who You Are
• The Strength to Accept Where You Have Been
* The Wisdom to Discern Where You Are Heading
* The Knowledge to Acquire What it Takes To Get There
* The Awareness to Exclude Who Is Stopping You
* The Power to Change What Holds You Back

Hide Your Goat makes you aware of how your daily life intersects with a diverse group of people from different backgrounds, opinions and personalities. This book will make you think about yourself and dive deep below the surface to uncover feelings, thoughts and emotions that expose your goat. Regardless of its origin, the expression “gets my goat” is something that resonates with all of us. The fast-paced and stress-filled schedules we maintain “open the gate” to allow people and circumstances to “get our goat.” It’s time to discover, herd, teach, feed, gate, exercise and in the end, Hide Your Goat!


https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/17859271-hide-your-goat




Cap Mandrake -> RE: OT: Corona virus (5/15/2020 5:03:35 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Lowpe

Just stories from the assisted living front:

My parents live in a 10 unit assisted living building. The other buildings at the complex are much larger populations with smaller personal living spaces but bigger common areas (which have been closed). There is nursing and memory buildings too. So max occupancy is 20, but there there are currently 5 widows and 1 widower and two units were caught out of town when the facility was locked down (which predated the State lockdown). I am sure they will be locked down longer than the state recommends too.

Anyhow, about a week ago they decided to meet every other day for a cocktail party where they all bring their own drinks and talk for about an hour or hour and half. They did not seek permission for doing this.

Many of the widows admitted yesterday to spending all day crying, especially when the weather is poor (they are allowed to walk outside). Face masks and social distancing are mandatory. No visitors allowed.

The ladies are also upset they can't visit a hairdresser or have the staff hair dresser visit them. For the first time in her life, despite being 86, my mother has white hair.

One unit saw a normal non covid death, she was doing poorly, and taken to the hospital where she died after several days alone. The husband was never allowed to leave the facility, no funeral is planned. The guy is actually a very well known public figure in Philadelphia area and in the nation. My brother living in California found out about the death before my parents did and they were best friends and have known each other for 20 years...this was pre cocktail party get together. I think it might have been the catalyst for these seniors to start doing the cocktail parties.




Wow. That is a touching story. We did a social distancing thing at my Mom's place for Mother's Day. Everyone brought their own take-out. That part was kind of pathetic.




obvert -> RE: OT: Corona virus (5/15/2020 7:09:21 PM)

Here's a bit of what has really been going on at the top of the ladder. Good thing for State Governors and other local governments in the US.

https://www.ft.com/content/97dc7de6-940b-11ea-abcd-371e24b679ed




RangerJoe -> RE: OT: Corona virus (5/15/2020 7:56:49 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Cap Mandrake

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ORIGINAL: Lowpe

Just stories from the assisted living front:

My parents live in a 10 unit assisted living building. The other buildings at the complex are much larger populations with smaller personal living spaces but bigger common areas (which have been closed). There is nursing and memory buildings too. So max occupancy is 20, but there there are currently 5 widows and 1 widower and two units were caught out of town when the facility was locked down (which predated the State lockdown). I am sure they will be locked down longer than the state recommends too.

Anyhow, about a week ago they decided to meet every other day for a cocktail party where they all bring their own drinks and talk for about an hour or hour and half. They did not seek permission for doing this.

Many of the widows admitted yesterday to spending all day crying, especially when the weather is poor (they are allowed to walk outside). Face masks and social distancing are mandatory. No visitors allowed.

The ladies are also upset they can't visit a hairdresser or have the staff hair dresser visit them. For the first time in her life, despite being 86, my mother has white hair.

One unit saw a normal non covid death, she was doing poorly, and taken to the hospital where she died after several days alone. The husband was never allowed to leave the facility, no funeral is planned. The guy is actually a very well known public figure in Philadelphia area and in the nation. My brother living in California found out about the death before my parents did and they were best friends and have known each other for 20 years...this was pre cocktail party get together. I think it might have been the catalyst for these seniors to start doing the cocktail parties.


Wow. That is a touching story. We did a social distancing thing at my Mom's place for Mother's Day. Everyone brought their own take-out. That part was kind of pathetic.


At least you still have your mother . . . [:(]




RangerJoe -> RE: OT: Corona virus (5/15/2020 8:07:05 PM)

New York barber who violated lockdown to give hair cuts tests positive and infected 'DOZENS' of his customers, Governor Cuomo reveals

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New York barber who violated lockdown to give hair cuts tests positive and infected 'DOZENS' of his customers, Governor Cuomo reveals

Barber shop on Broadway in Kingston, New York, was 'illicitly' operating
Ulster County officials did not identify the name of the shop
But they have urged anyone who got a haircut in the town to get tested
Governor Cuomo said the barber infected 'more than a dozen others'
Total of nearly 1,500 people in Ulster County have tested positive for COVID-19
New York State announced five regions have met benchmarks for reopening
Cuomo announced that other areas will remain on lockdown
New York City, the virus epicenter, will likely stay shut down for weeks

An upstate New York barber who was giving haircuts to clients in violation of the governor’s coronavirus lockdown tested positive for COVID-19 and infected more than a dozen people, according to Governor Andrew Cuomo.

Ulster County released a statement on Wednesday indicating that the infected barber worked at a shop on Broadway in the town of Kingston, about 20 miles north of Poughkeepsie.

The county health commissioner is advising anyone who received a haircut in a barber shop in Kingston in the past three weeks to get tested for the coronavirus.

'Barber in Kingston was operating in defiance of the close order, infected I think over a dozen people,' Cuomo said during his routine coronavirus briefing on Friday.

'You know, that is a occupation of close proximity, right?

'You can't really socially distance and do a haircut … that is by definition an up-close-and-personal occupation.'


https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8323441/New-York-barber-violated-lockdown-hair-cuts-shop-tests-positive-coronavirus.html




Chickenboy -> RE: OT: Corona virus (5/15/2020 8:29:19 PM)

Handy little desktop tool from Bexar County / San Antonio. Today's entry:



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Chickenboy -> RE: OT: Corona virus (5/15/2020 8:40:56 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Cap Mandrake

Wow. The thing is you need a serious human safety study with any COVID vaccine because of this whole cytokine storm business and the many apparent immune mediated side effects (like Kawasaki Disease in kids)

I think the recombinants or mRNA-based approaches (as opposed to spike glycoprotein or whole virus) approaches are less likely to result in such nasty side effects, don't you?




Lowpe -> RE: OT: Corona virus (5/15/2020 8:50:33 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Chickenboy

I think the recombinants or mRNA-based approaches (as opposed to spike glycoprotein or whole virus) approaches are less likely to result in such nasty side effects, don't you?


Umm...sure?[:D]




Lowpe -> RE: OT: Corona virus (5/15/2020 8:51:41 PM)

Tesla’s next factory is going to be in Austin, Texas and it’s going to happen quickly

https://electrek.co/2020/05/15/tesla-factory-austin-texas/

Theatrics aside, I think this is just the leading edge of a great economic migration in the US.





Lowpe -> RE: OT: Corona virus (5/15/2020 8:54:00 PM)

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ORIGINAL: obvert

Here's a bit of what has really been going on at the top of the ladder. Good thing for State Governors and other local governments in the US.

https://www.ft.com/content/97dc7de6-940b-11ea-abcd-371e24b679ed


Paywall, I can't access even a shadowed version of the story. I have some extensions that does searches for other paywall sites, but not the FT.[:(] You could try using an archive of it.




Lowpe -> RE: OT: Corona virus (5/15/2020 9:01:05 PM)

A crisis is very tough on people making decisions. She doesn't look good, hopefully it is just the lighting.

L.A. County Coronavirus Update: County Public Health Director Dr. Barbara Ferrer Apologizes For Controversial Remarks, “Confusion”

https://deadline.com/2020/05/l-a-county-coronavirus-dr-barbara-ferrer-1202933922/



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Lowpe -> RE: OT: Corona virus (5/15/2020 9:20:42 PM)

More California news. Unfortunately, I fear this will continue. Most Americans live paycheck to paycheck...

'It's scary.' State workers face 10 percent pay cut in Gov. Newsom’s budget proposal

https://www.sacbee.com/news/politics-government/the-state-worker/article242750831.html




Lowpe -> RE: OT: Corona virus (5/15/2020 9:29:58 PM)

A different take on masks from a neurosurgeon. Complete with footnotes. I am not advocating going mask-less.[:)]

Dr. Russell Blaylock, author of The Blaylock Wellness Report newsletter, is a nationally recognized board-certified neurosurgeon, health practitioner, author, and lecturer. He attended the Louisiana State University School of Medicine and completed his internship and neurological residency at the Medical University of South Carolina.

Blaylock: Face Masks Pose Serious Risks To The Healthy

https://www.technocracy.news/blaylock-face-masks-pose-serious-risks-to-the-healthy/




sPzAbt653 -> RE: OT: Corona virus (5/15/2020 10:11:52 PM)

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A different take on masks from a neurosurgeon.


When a person is infected with a respiratory virus, they will expel some of the virus with each breath. If they are wearing a mask, especially an N95 mask or other tightly fitting mask, they will be constantly rebreathing the viruses, raising the concentration of the virus in the lungs and the nasal passages.

GOOD GRIEF !!




sPzAbt653 -> RE: OT: Corona virus (5/15/2020 10:14:03 PM)

Thanks a lot COVID, now no tasty BBQ for the time being [:@]

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Oops! Had to edit out some guys name and #.




JohnDillworth -> RE: OT: Corona virus (5/15/2020 10:17:57 PM)

Another explanation of why wearing masks help stop the spread. Not entirely sure it this works for girls too


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Lowpe -> RE: OT: Corona virus (5/15/2020 10:19:55 PM)

Nearly 420,000 of NYC's richest residents have fled the city amid the pandemic with smartphone data showing Upper East Side and West Village populations down by 40 percent

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8323377/New-Yorks-420-000-wealthiest-residents-fled-city-two-months-new-smartphone-data-shows.html




Nomad -> RE: OT: Corona virus (5/15/2020 10:36:27 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Cap Mandrake

Even though I am at risk at work I have to admit I am getting damn tired of some slicked-back-hair guy in Sacramento telling me what beach I can walk on.

I am flying up to Bozeman, Montana in 2 weeks for some float trips on the Madison and maybe fish in Yellowstone too. And I'm not going to wear a mask standing hip deep in a river. I predict I will not be arrested in Montana.

I tried to send this via PM, but your mailbox is full.

I talked to Bob Jacklin about the fishing and runoff, he is the absolute expert.

The runoff has just started and will be in full swing in two weeks.

He says the fishing from shore is great at Hebgen Lake and the Madison river just below
the Hebgen Lake Dam.




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