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MakeeLearn -> RE: OT: Corona virus (3/19/2020 5:44:25 PM)

"The New Normal"




Canoerebel -> RE: OT: Corona virus (3/19/2020 5:55:39 PM)

The slow implementation of testing in the USA might be offset by the comparatively rapid implementation of countermeasures.




obvert -> RE: OT: Corona virus (3/19/2020 5:56:31 PM)


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ORIGINAL: MakeeLearn

"The New Normal"


What's with all of the bold and giant non-relevant comments?




warspite1 -> RE: OT: Corona virus (3/19/2020 5:57:58 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Canoerebel

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warspite1

Re the serious cases, indeed - Germany's number never seems to move and regardless of the movement in Italy's total cases, nor does their number fluctuate much. That may be right as they have so many deaths but I'd definitely take this column with a pinch of salt. The UK is remarkably static too.




obvert -> RE: OT: Corona virus (3/19/2020 6:00:02 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Canoerebel

The slow implementation of testing in the USA might be offset by the comparatively rapid implementation of countermeasures.


I really hope so. It sounds quite different in different parts of the country though too, and I think there is still a lot of the attitude that this is overblown. Not so much on this thread, but in the general populace (according to my small sample size of friends and family).

The size of the US and the different regional density can be an advantage and a disadvantage.




Canoerebel -> RE: OT: Corona virus (3/19/2020 6:14:59 PM)

I doubt there's a substantial amount that have the attitude this is overblown, especially in metropolitan areas. Even in rural and semi-rural areas, as where I live, everything changed beginning last Thursday. As noted previously, the different levels of government took action and the local populations complied and implemented some of their own. The response overall has seemed dramatic. The younger set may be behaving differently, based upon a few apocryphal stories going around.

On a separate note, doesn't it seem unexpected that Georgia schools closed before some (most? all?) of UK's.




MakeeLearn -> RE: OT: Corona virus (3/19/2020 6:26:28 PM)

US Air Force Flew Half a Million Coronavirus Test Swabs From Italy to Tennessee

https://www.defenseone.com/threats/2020/03/us-air-force-flew-half-million-coronavirus-test-kits-italy-tennessee/163879/

"The U.S. Air Force quietly flew 500,000 swabs for COVID-19 testing kits from Italy to Memphis, Tennessee, on Monday, Defense One has learned.

Pentagon spokesman Jonathan Hoffman confirmed the shipment on board an Air National Guard aircraft. The plane carried “swabs” that are used in the COVID-19 testing process, he said during a Wednesday afternoon briefing at the Pentagon."




Canoerebel -> RE: OT: Corona virus (3/19/2020 6:28:36 PM)

But are they used ones?

P.S. Thanks to MakeeLearn for creating and sharing with me the No Time for Sergeants "salute."

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ORIGINAL: MakeeLearn

US Air Force Flew Half a Million Coronavirus Test Swabs From Italy to Tennessee

https://www.defenseone.com/threats/2020/03/us-air-force-flew-half-million-coronavirus-test-kits-italy-tennessee/163879/

"The U.S. Air Force quietly flew 500,000 swabs for COVID-19 testing kits from Italy to Memphis, Tennessee, on Monday, Defense One has learned.

Pentagon spokesman Jonathan Hoffman confirmed the shipment on board an Air National Guard aircraft. The plane carried “swabs” that are used in the COVID-19 testing process, he said during a Wednesday afternoon briefing at the Pentagon."



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MakeeLearn -> RE: OT: Corona virus (3/19/2020 6:29:03 PM)


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ORIGINAL: obvert


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ORIGINAL: MakeeLearn

"The New Normal"


What's with all of the bold and giant non-relevant comments?


[8|]





MakeeLearn -> RE: OT: Corona virus (3/19/2020 6:30:32 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Canoerebel

But are they used ones?

P.S. Thanks to MakeeLearn for creating and sharing with me the No Time for Sergeants "salute."

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ORIGINAL: MakeeLearn

US Air Force Flew Half a Million Coronavirus Test Swabs From Italy to Tennessee

https://www.defenseone.com/threats/2020/03/us-air-force-flew-half-million-coronavirus-test-kits-italy-tennessee/163879/

"The U.S. Air Force quietly flew 500,000 swabs for COVID-19 testing kits from Italy to Memphis, Tennessee, on Monday, Defense One has learned.

Pentagon spokesman Jonathan Hoffman confirmed the shipment on board an Air National Guard aircraft. The plane carried “swabs” that are used in the COVID-19 testing process, he said during a Wednesday afternoon briefing at the Pentagon."



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BBBBBUT.... they were half off!




MakeeLearn -> RE: OT: Corona virus (3/19/2020 6:34:43 PM)

My bank, as of today, allows no one in the lobby, without a appointment. Drive thru only.


Certain items at the Piggly Wiggly were empty. Dry Beans, certain can goods, most types of bread. Eggs almost all gone.


Do people not know what the real world is? Evidently, not most.




Encircled -> RE: OT: Corona virus (3/19/2020 6:39:58 PM)


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ORIGINAL: MakeeLearn

My bank, as of today, allows no one in the lobby, without a appointment. Drive thru only.


Certain items at the Piggly Wiggly were empty. Dry Beans, certain can goods, most type of bread. Eggs almost all gone.


Do people not know what the real world is? Evidently not.


The panic buying in the UK is unreal.

Unless poeple stop it, lots more elderly and the really struggling are going to be in deep trouble.









MakeeLearn -> RE: OT: Corona virus (3/19/2020 6:42:01 PM)

Coronavirus could be changing grocery shopping forever

https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/companies/coronavirus-could-be-changing-grocery-shopping-forever/ar-BB11pMiE?li=BBnb7Kz

"The outbreak of Coronavirus is pushing Americans to buy their groceries online, a development that could have a lasting effect on the supermarket industry."




MakeeLearn -> RE: OT: Corona virus (3/19/2020 6:44:35 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Encircled


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ORIGINAL: MakeeLearn

My bank, as of today, allows no one in the lobby, without a appointment. Drive thru only.


Certain items at the Piggly Wiggly were empty. Dry Beans, certain can goods, most type of bread. Eggs almost all gone.


Do people not know what the real world is? Evidently not.


The panic buying in the UK is unreal.

Unless poeple stop it, lots more elderly and the really struggling are going to be in deep trouble.









True, and that will call for a "Equalization" to be implemented.

I did my regular shopping, I could carry it out in my arms.




Zorch -> RE: OT: Corona virus (3/19/2020 6:48:41 PM)


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ORIGINAL: MakeeLearn


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ORIGINAL: Encircled


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ORIGINAL: MakeeLearn

My bank, as of today, allows no one in the lobby, without a appointment. Drive thru only.


Certain items at the Piggly Wiggly were empty. Dry Beans, certain can goods, most type of bread. Eggs almost all gone.


Do people not know what the real world is? Evidently not.


The panic buying in the UK is unreal.

Unless poeple stop it, lots more elderly and the really struggling are going to be in deep trouble.









True, and that will call for a "Equalization" to be implemented.

I did my regular shopping, I could carry it out in my arms.


Panic buying is a phase that lasts a few days (at least it was here). People get happy with their stockpiles.
Don't ask me what the next phase is.




obvert -> RE: OT: Corona virus (3/19/2020 6:54:42 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Canoerebel

I doubt there's a substantial amount that have the attitude this is overblown, especially in metropolitan areas. Even in rural and semi-rural areas, as where I live, everything changed beginning last Thursday. As noted previously, the different levels of government took action and the local populations complied and implemented some of their own. The response overall has seemed dramatic. The younger set may be behaving differently, based upon a few apocryphal stories going around.


Have a look at this.

'People are Just Panicking;' Midwesterners unmoved over Coronavirus Outbreak.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/mar/15/wisconsin-midwest-coronavirus-response

“I think coronavirus is being blown out of proportion. It’s just like any other flu. It’s attacking the elders and people that have other health issues going on. It’s taking an impact on them versus the healthy 30-year-olds that takes care of themselves.”

And this is what I mean mostly. Regional differences will be extreme in the states.

Wisconsin has 19 confirmed coronavirus cases, up from just one a week ago. The governor has declared a health emergency and ordered the closure of all schools. But in Forest county, on Wisconsin’s northern border, the health department makes no mention of the virus on its website and has no notices at its offices.

Osterman, 63, picked up a carton of sanitising wipes from the shelves opposite. Was this a sign she was worried about contracting the virus?

“No! They’re having really cheap flights right now and so I’m thinking, what the heck, I might just go some place. Somebody told me Hawaii was $400. I’m not worried one bit,” she said.




MakeeLearn -> RE: OT: Corona virus (3/19/2020 6:56:51 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Zorch

Don't ask me what the next phase is.



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obvert -> RE: OT: Corona virus (3/19/2020 7:01:27 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Encircled


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ORIGINAL: MakeeLearn

My bank, as of today, allows no one in the lobby, without a appointment. Drive thru only.


Certain items at the Piggly Wiggly were empty. Dry Beans, certain can goods, most type of bread. Eggs almost all gone.


Do people not know what the real world is? Evidently not.


The panic buying in the UK is unreal.

Unless poeple stop it, lots more elderly and the really struggling are going to be in deep trouble.





It'll have to stop soon, unless their pantries are much larger than ours. We've done a bit of extra shopping but not a lot. I predict by next week a good portion of the stores will be overflowing with goods again.

We also ordered a fresh farm box on delivery once a week that we had been getting last year. Yum.




Lowpe -> RE: OT: Corona virus (3/19/2020 7:10:17 PM)


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ORIGINAL: obvert


We also ordered a fresh farm box


What is in it? When my kids were growing up we bought raw milk from a farm. Plus we did 4H chickens, turkeys and raised dairy calves (and showed them). Great experience for the kids and us adults as well. Plus everything tasted great...especially the turkey on Thanksgiving!




Canoerebel -> RE: OT: Corona virus (3/19/2020 7:10:38 PM)

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ORIGINAL: obvert
...Have a look at this.

'People are Just Panicking;' Midwesterners unmoved over Coronavirus Outbreak.

...


The media has a hard time getting anything right, analyzing anything properly, quantifying things. They are given to exaggeration, biases intentional and unintentional, etc.

I trust the raw data more - what I've seen, my children have seen, my friends and business associates have seen, etc.

Georgia is a pretty conservative state, so would be expected to fall in the "overly optimistic" camp, based upon the Reuters poll, etc. If we've been taking drastic action here for a week, I expect the same is true in Tennessee, Iowa, Idaho, Texas and pretty much every other state. I trust my knowledge of the USA more than I'd trust any media group, especially any elsewhere.





Lowpe -> RE: OT: Corona virus (3/19/2020 7:15:45 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Erik Rutins


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ORIGINAL: RFalvo69
I'll share a bit more about what is happening here in Lombardy (and in the rest of Italy), on the ground.

I think amid the terrible toll this virus is taking, there is also some hope that it may lead to more unity
- Erik



I read an article today saying that divorces in Wuhan have risen substantially. Seems the couples couldn't take prolonged togetherness.




MakeeLearn -> RE: OT: Corona virus (3/19/2020 7:28:08 PM)

"This is, above all, a human crisis that calls for solidarity"

Secretary-General António Guterres, United Nations

https://www.un.org/en/un-coronavirus-communications-team/above-all-human-crisis-calls-solidarity



First, tackling the health emergency.

Second, we must focus on the social impact and the economic response and recovery.

Third, and finally, we have a responsibility to "recover better."




MakeeLearn -> RE: OT: Corona virus (3/19/2020 7:28:50 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Lowpe


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ORIGINAL: Erik Rutins


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ORIGINAL: RFalvo69
I'll share a bit more about what is happening here in Lombardy (and in the rest of Italy), on the ground.

I think amid the terrible toll this virus is taking, there is also some hope that it may lead to more unity
- Erik



I read an article today saying that divorces in Wuhan have risen substantially. Seems the couples couldn't take prolonged togetherness.




Who are you?!




Lowpe -> RE: OT: Corona virus (3/19/2020 7:35:13 PM)


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ORIGINAL: MakeeLearn


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ORIGINAL: Lowpe


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ORIGINAL: Erik Rutins


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ORIGINAL: RFalvo69
I'll share a bit more about what is happening here in Lombardy (and in the rest of Italy), on the ground.

I think amid the terrible toll this virus is taking, there is also some hope that it may lead to more unity
- Erik



I read an article today saying that divorces in Wuhan have risen substantially. Seems the couples couldn't take prolonged togetherness.




Who are you?!


Just a daily mail article:

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8108385/Divorce-cases-spike-China-couples-spend-time-coronavirus-quarantine.html?utm_campaign=fullarticle&utm_medium=referral&utm_source=inshorts




alanschu -> RE: OT: Corona virus (3/19/2020 7:35:18 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Encircled


The panic buying in the UK is unreal.

Unless poeple stop it, lots more elderly and the really struggling are going to be in deep trouble.




I saw someone share a thought that they thought they understood rationing during WW2 as a scarcity issue, but that with response to covid that they see it more as an equity issue.

(it's a bit different as WW2 had definite attacks on supply lines, but I could see there being a bit of truth to the sentiment)




witpqs -> RE: OT: Corona virus (3/19/2020 7:36:43 PM)


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ORIGINAL: MakeeLearn


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ORIGINAL: obvert


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ORIGINAL: MakeeLearn

"The New Normal"


What's with all of the bold and giant non-relevant comments?


[8|]



I agree with Obvert on this.




MakeeLearn -> RE: OT: Corona virus (3/19/2020 7:37:46 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Lowpe


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ORIGINAL: MakeeLearn


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ORIGINAL: Lowpe


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ORIGINAL: Erik Rutins


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ORIGINAL: RFalvo69
I'll share a bit more about what is happening here in Lombardy (and in the rest of Italy), on the ground.

I think amid the terrible toll this virus is taking, there is also some hope that it may lead to more unity
- Erik



I read an article today saying that divorces in Wuhan have risen substantially. Seems the couples couldn't take prolonged togetherness.




Who are you?!


Just a daily mail article:

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8108385/Divorce-cases-spike-China-couples-spend-time-coronavirus-quarantine.html?utm_campaign=fullarticle&utm_medium=referral&utm_source=inshorts




[:D] I read the article;

Quarantine week 2:
"Who are you?!" Said the couple to each other.




witpqs -> RE: OT: Corona virus (3/19/2020 7:40:07 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Lowpe


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ORIGINAL: MakeeLearn


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ORIGINAL: Lowpe


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ORIGINAL: Erik Rutins


quote:

ORIGINAL: RFalvo69
I'll share a bit more about what is happening here in Lombardy (and in the rest of Italy), on the ground.

I think amid the terrible toll this virus is taking, there is also some hope that it may lead to more unity
- Erik



I read an article today saying that divorces in Wuhan have risen substantially. Seems the couples couldn't take prolonged togetherness.




Who are you?!


Just a daily mail article:

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8108385/Divorce-cases-spike-China-couples-spend-time-coronavirus-quarantine.html?utm_campaign=fullarticle&utm_medium=referral&utm_source=inshorts


He meant one member of a couple asking the other "who are you?!" [:D]




MakeeLearn -> RE: OT: Corona virus (3/19/2020 7:50:10 PM)


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ORIGINAL: witpqs


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ORIGINAL: MakeeLearn


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ORIGINAL: obvert


quote:

ORIGINAL: MakeeLearn

"The New Normal"


What's with all of the bold and giant non-relevant comments?


[8|]



I agree with Obvert on this.



Give it awhile. You will know understand.





USSAmerica -> RE: OT: Corona virus (3/19/2020 7:50:30 PM)


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So far testing here is still limited to those with likely symptoms or health care workers, so they are saying assume that for every confirmed case there are at least 16 out there we don't know about. Comforting. Hopefully the massive increase in testing that is being touted at the federal level, including readily available tests in Walmart and Walgreen's parking lots, will show up here soon and allow us to get much better recon on where the virus is or isn't.


A week ago (feels like ages....apparently we're living in dog years now) I posted testing stats per country from wikipedia, and here's an update (current table on the left, earlier on the right). A bit of apples to oranges since they've added some columns and there's more provincial/state granularity, plus i didn't capture the bottom dwellers originally (and do now) but there are some interesting things to see (from what I can tell, the province/state numbers are subs-sets of the country numbers, so don't add them to your country's total):

1) UAE and Australia have gone from "not on the chart" to 4th and 6th respectively in total tests. It will be interesting to see if that translates into lower infection and death rates in the weeks to come

2) Germany isn't on either chart, which is very surprising. Obviously they must be testing, and it would be nice to see if there's a correlation to the low death rate. Not sure why it's not here.

3) The Chinese numbers haven't been updated since February (almost a month ago) and there's nothing from Iran.

4) Testing in the US is increasing at roughly the same rate as most countries, but more is obviously needed. We'll see if the new Roche tests and Korea-style drive throughs start to ramp up the numbers.


Thanks Kull.

1) I think yes. Australia has a very good health system, and the population is small, plus wealthy (on average). This much testing followed by distancing measures and the fact they're only just getting cooler now, and in general don't get as cold as other European countries fighting this now.

Ditto UAE. Although their economy has just disintegrated between the oil glut and tourism shutdown.

2) Good testing. Solid distancing measures. Great healthcare facilities.

3) What is happening in the rest of China one wonders? How did this just peter out when there were cases all over but other regions are all going back to work now?

4)The figure that worries me with the US is the testing per million: 116. The US is bigger by population than the combined people of the UK, Italy, France, Spain and Germany. Testing so little in such a large population means there is a lot of this virus going around and spreading and no one knows where, or how much.


#3 above is still the question I have. No one can explain to me how this is even possible. [&:]




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