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rommel222 -> Top 10 Modern Armored Personnel Carriers (4/27/2020 7:09:54 PM)

Greetings to All,
http://www.military-today.com/apc/top_10_armored_personnel_carriers.htm




Lobster -> RE: Top 10 Modern Armored Personnel Carriers (4/27/2020 11:57:31 PM)

I'll take tracks over wheels any day.




RangerJoe -> RE: Top 10 Modern Armored Personnel Carriers (4/28/2020 12:34:52 AM)

I always did like the M113 family of vehicles, especially the one with the higher passenger compartment. That one should make a nice, off road camper.

Tracked vehicles with wide enough tracks have a lower ground pressure than a man which makes them harder to get stuck in mud. Wheeled vehicles get stuck in mud a lot faster, not to mention flat tires.

If you want an unobtrusive scout vehicle, off road motorcycles would be best. Dune buggys would also work. For infantry, you want something that can bring them to the battle zone, assist them, then remove them. The M113 with the ACAV armor and machine guns work nice, even in the brush.




z1812 -> RE: Top 10 Modern Armored Personnel Carriers (4/28/2020 12:53:42 PM)

Thanks Rommel! Nice article and photos.




Kuokkanen -> RE: Top 10 Modern Armored Personnel Carriers (4/28/2020 5:40:39 PM)

Video about Patria AMV




goodwoodrw -> RE: Top 10 Modern Armored Personnel Carriers (4/29/2020 1:32:41 AM)

The Australian made Bushmaster PMV, not a mention, affords better protection than ASLAV or 113 is battle proven.Issued to the British Army, The Netherlands Army with service in Afghanistan, and the Australian Regular Army plus several other nations.




GaryChildress -> RE: Top 10 Modern Armored Personnel Carriers (4/29/2020 9:29:44 AM)

Surprised the US Bradley isn't on there. [X(]




goodwoodrw -> RE: Top 10 Modern Armored Personnel Carriers (4/29/2020 10:31:35 AM)

4 wheel maybe, 6 to 8 wheels maybe not, tracked vehicles throw treads easy enough. You can drive wheeled vehicle missing a wheel or on flat tyres, tracked vehicles spin around in circles if they lose a link




goodwoodrw -> RE: Top 10 Modern Armored Personnel Carriers (4/29/2020 12:09:05 PM)

This is true, but the Bushmaster can reduce it tyre pressure at a flick of a switch. They have an internal type pressure mechanism to deflate and inflate tyres, in sandy conditions this works fine, not sure how it works in muddy conditions. Has it that most of the operational hours of a Bushmaster has been in Afghanistan, Mali and Iraq, and initially built for Australian conditions, they are ideally designed.




Lobster -> RE: Top 10 Modern Armored Personnel Carriers (4/29/2020 1:29:22 PM)


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4 wheel maybe, 6 to 8 wheels maybe not, tracked vehicles throw treads easy enough. You can drive wheeled vehicle missing a wheel or on flat tyres, tracked vehicles spin around in circles if they lose a link


Wheels. Small arms chew them up. Have more trouble with obstacles. Consume more logistics space. Perform worse off road. Are less maneuverable. The reason you see so many is because they cost less to make, are better in urban settings, can move faster and are a bit easier to maintain so yeah, you see a lot of them.

Here's a nice read: https://defence.nridigital.com/global_defence_technology_oct19/armoured_fighting_vehicles_tracks_vs_wheels




RangerJoe -> RE: Top 10 Modern Armored Personnel Carriers (4/29/2020 1:49:02 PM)


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This is true, but the Bushmaster can reduce it tyre pressure at a flick of a switch. They have an internal type pressure mechanism to deflate and inflate tyres, in sandy conditions this works fine, not sure how it works in muddy conditions. Has it that most of the operational hours of a Bushmaster has been in Afghanistan, Mali and Iraq, and initially built for Australian conditions, they are ideally designed.


The DUKW used a tyre pressure system as well.

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Developed by the National Defense Research Committee and the Office of Scientific Research and Development to solve the problem of resupply to units which had just performed an amphibious landing, it was initially rejected by the armed services. When a United States Coast Guard patrol craft ran aground on a sand bar near Provincetown, Massachusetts, an experimental DUKW happened to be in the area for a demonstration. Winds up to 60 knots (110 km/h; 69 mph), rain, and heavy surf prevented conventional craft from rescuing the seven stranded Coast Guardsmen, but the DUKW had no trouble,[9] and military opposition to the DUKW melted. The DUKW later proved its seaworthiness by crossing the English Channel.
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The DUKW was the first vehicle to allow the driver to vary the tire pressure from inside the cab. The tires could be fully inflated for hard surfaces such as roads and less inflated for softer surfaces, especially beach sand.[13] This added to its versatility as an amphibious vehicle. This feature is now standard on many military vehicles.[14]


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DUKW

The deflated tyres would spread out more, allowing better traction in mud and/or snow.




RangerJoe -> RE: Top 10 Modern Armored Personnel Carriers (4/29/2020 2:02:34 PM)

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4 wheel maybe, 6 to 8 wheels maybe not, tracked vehicles throw treads easy enough. You can drive wheeled vehicle missing a wheel or on flat tyres, tracked vehicles spin around in circles if they lose a link


It is not really that easy to throw a track if if the vehicle is properly maintained. There are track adjusters on the vehicles and if the crew does their maintenance properly, the track is at the proper tension. You carry spare track if needed and if the track stretches too much, you can remove a section as needed. Spare track can also be used as armour.

Rubber also burns. While the modern tracks have rubber pads, they are there to protect the roads. The tracks don't have to have the pads although they can wear their pins faster. Remove a pad every so often and you have better traction on ice. Flat rubber pads slide on ice as do tires. Tires burn and Molotov cocktails can start all tires on a vehicle burning which will make it harder to move while the tracked vehicle can relocate easier.




GaryChildress -> RE: Top 10 Modern Armored Personnel Carriers (4/29/2020 4:04:57 PM)


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4 wheel maybe, 6 to 8 wheels maybe not, tracked vehicles throw treads easy enough. You can drive wheeled vehicle missing a wheel or on flat tyres, tracked vehicles spin around in circles if they lose a link


It is not really that easy to throw a track if if the vehicle is properly maintained. There are track adjusters on the vehicles and if the crew does their maintenance properly, the track is at the proper tension. You carry spare track if needed and if the track stretches too much, you can remove a section as needed. Spare track can also be used as armour.

Rubber also burns. While the modern tracks have rubber pads, they are there to protect the roads. The tracks don't have to have the pads although they can wear their pins faster. Remove a pad every so often and you have better traction on ice. Flat rubber pads slide on ice as do tires. Tires burn and Molotov cocktails can start all tires on a vehicle burning which will make it harder to move while the tracked vehicle can relocate easier.


How easy is it in combat to disable a tracked vehicle by aiming at one of its tracks? I guess if you blow a tire off of an 8 wheel AC, then you have 7 wheels left to travel on. But if you blow a single track on a tank, wouldn't it be catastrophic for it as far as movement?




RangerJoe -> RE: Top 10 Modern Armored Personnel Carriers (4/29/2020 4:49:36 PM)

I saw a picture of a 75mm shell embedded in the track of a Tiger tank. Unless it is a heat round, the APDS round would do relatively little damage depending upon where it was hit. If you can kill the tank, that is what you aim for. To try and hit the track? From what direction and with what?




Lobster -> RE: Top 10 Modern Armored Personnel Carriers (4/29/2020 10:46:00 PM)


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ORIGINAL: goodwoodrw

4 wheel maybe, 6 to 8 wheels maybe not, tracked vehicles throw treads easy enough. You can drive wheeled vehicle missing a wheel or on flat tyres, tracked vehicles spin around in circles if they lose a link


It is not really that easy to throw a track if if the vehicle is properly maintained. There are track adjusters on the vehicles and if the crew does their maintenance properly, the track is at the proper tension. You carry spare track if needed and if the track stretches too much, you can remove a section as needed. Spare track can also be used as armour.

Rubber also burns. While the modern tracks have rubber pads, they are there to protect the roads. The tracks don't have to have the pads although they can wear their pins faster. Remove a pad every so often and you have better traction on ice. Flat rubber pads slide on ice as do tires. Tires burn and Molotov cocktails can start all tires on a vehicle burning which will make it harder to move while the tracked vehicle can relocate easier.


How easy is it in combat to disable a tracked vehicle by aiming at one of its tracks? I guess if you blow a tire off of an 8 wheel AC, then you have 7 wheels left to travel on. But if you blow a single track on a tank, wouldn't it be catastrophic for it as far as movement?


Why should they shoot out your tire when they can just shoot holes in the thin armor? If it's enough to blow up a track then it can sure as hell put holes in your wheeled apc. [:D]




Lobster -> RE: Top 10 Modern Armored Personnel Carriers (4/29/2020 10:46:53 PM)

double post




GaryChildress -> RE: Top 10 Modern Armored Personnel Carriers (4/29/2020 11:53:29 PM)


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ORIGINAL: goodwoodrw

4 wheel maybe, 6 to 8 wheels maybe not, tracked vehicles throw treads easy enough. You can drive wheeled vehicle missing a wheel or on flat tyres, tracked vehicles spin around in circles if they lose a link


It is not really that easy to throw a track if if the vehicle is properly maintained. There are track adjusters on the vehicles and if the crew does their maintenance properly, the track is at the proper tension. You carry spare track if needed and if the track stretches too much, you can remove a section as needed. Spare track can also be used as armour.

Rubber also burns. While the modern tracks have rubber pads, they are there to protect the roads. The tracks don't have to have the pads although they can wear their pins faster. Remove a pad every so often and you have better traction on ice. Flat rubber pads slide on ice as do tires. Tires burn and Molotov cocktails can start all tires on a vehicle burning which will make it harder to move while the tracked vehicle can relocate easier.


How easy is it in combat to disable a tracked vehicle by aiming at one of its tracks? I guess if you blow a tire off of an 8 wheel AC, then you have 7 wheels left to travel on. But if you blow a single track on a tank, wouldn't it be catastrophic for it as far as movement?


Why should they shoot out your tire when they can just shoot holes in the thin armor? If it's enough to blow up a track then it can sure as hell put holes in your wheeled apc. [:D]


Do wheeled APCs have thinner armor than tracked ones?




GaryChildress -> RE: Top 10 Modern Armored Personnel Carriers (4/29/2020 11:54:44 PM)


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ORIGINAL: GaryChildress


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ORIGINAL: goodwoodrw

4 wheel maybe, 6 to 8 wheels maybe not, tracked vehicles throw treads easy enough. You can drive wheeled vehicle missing a wheel or on flat tyres, tracked vehicles spin around in circles if they lose a link


It is not really that easy to throw a track if if the vehicle is properly maintained. There are track adjusters on the vehicles and if the crew does their maintenance properly, the track is at the proper tension. You carry spare track if needed and if the track stretches too much, you can remove a section as needed. Spare track can also be used as armour.

Rubber also burns. While the modern tracks have rubber pads, they are there to protect the roads. The tracks don't have to have the pads although they can wear their pins faster. Remove a pad every so often and you have better traction on ice. Flat rubber pads slide on ice as do tires. Tires burn and Molotov cocktails can start all tires on a vehicle burning which will make it harder to move while the tracked vehicle can relocate easier.


How easy is it in combat to disable a tracked vehicle by aiming at one of its tracks? I guess if you blow a tire off of an 8 wheel AC, then you have 7 wheels left to travel on. But if you blow a single track on a tank, wouldn't it be catastrophic for it as far as movement?


Why should they shoot out your tire when they can just shoot holes in the thin armor? If it's enough to blow up a track then it can sure as hell put holes in your wheeled apc. [:D]


Are wheeled APCs necessarily thinner armored than tracked ones, though?




RangerJoe -> RE: Top 10 Modern Armored Personnel Carriers (4/30/2020 12:09:57 AM)


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ORIGINAL: Lobster


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ORIGINAL: GaryChildress


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ORIGINAL: RangerJoe

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ORIGINAL: goodwoodrw

4 wheel maybe, 6 to 8 wheels maybe not, tracked vehicles throw treads easy enough. You can drive wheeled vehicle missing a wheel or on flat tyres, tracked vehicles spin around in circles if they lose a link


It is not really that easy to throw a track if if the vehicle is properly maintained. There are track adjusters on the vehicles and if the crew does their maintenance properly, the track is at the proper tension. You carry spare track if needed and if the track stretches too much, you can remove a section as needed. Spare track can also be used as armour.

Rubber also burns. While the modern tracks have rubber pads, they are there to protect the roads. The tracks don't have to have the pads although they can wear their pins faster. Remove a pad every so often and you have better traction on ice. Flat rubber pads slide on ice as do tires. Tires burn and Molotov cocktails can start all tires on a vehicle burning which will make it harder to move while the tracked vehicle can relocate easier.


How easy is it in combat to disable a tracked vehicle by aiming at one of its tracks? I guess if you blow a tire off of an 8 wheel AC, then you have 7 wheels left to travel on. But if you blow a single track on a tank, wouldn't it be catastrophic for it as far as movement?


Why should they shoot out your tire when they can just shoot holes in the thin armor? If it's enough to blow up a track then it can sure as hell put holes in your wheeled apc. [:D]


Are wheeled APCs necessarily thinner armored than tracked ones, though?


Yes. The tires can't handle the weight that the tracks can.




GaryChildress -> RE: Top 10 Modern Armored Personnel Carriers (4/30/2020 12:27:11 AM)


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ORIGINAL: GaryChildress


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ORIGINAL: RangerJoe

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ORIGINAL: goodwoodrw

4 wheel maybe, 6 to 8 wheels maybe not, tracked vehicles throw treads easy enough. You can drive wheeled vehicle missing a wheel or on flat tyres, tracked vehicles spin around in circles if they lose a link


It is not really that easy to throw a track if if the vehicle is properly maintained. There are track adjusters on the vehicles and if the crew does their maintenance properly, the track is at the proper tension. You carry spare track if needed and if the track stretches too much, you can remove a section as needed. Spare track can also be used as armour.

Rubber also burns. While the modern tracks have rubber pads, they are there to protect the roads. The tracks don't have to have the pads although they can wear their pins faster. Remove a pad every so often and you have better traction on ice. Flat rubber pads slide on ice as do tires. Tires burn and Molotov cocktails can start all tires on a vehicle burning which will make it harder to move while the tracked vehicle can relocate easier.


How easy is it in combat to disable a tracked vehicle by aiming at one of its tracks? I guess if you blow a tire off of an 8 wheel AC, then you have 7 wheels left to travel on. But if you blow a single track on a tank, wouldn't it be catastrophic for it as far as movement?


Why should they shoot out your tire when they can just shoot holes in the thin armor? If it's enough to blow up a track then it can sure as hell put holes in your wheeled apc. [:D]


Are wheeled APCs necessarily thinner armored than tracked ones, though?


Yes. The tires can't handle the weight that the tracks can.


I see. Looks like there would be more tracked APCs on the list then.




Twotribes -> RE: Top 10 Modern Armored Personnel Carriers (4/30/2020 1:03:48 AM)

Neither article says BEST they just say Modern )




Kuokkanen -> RE: Top 10 Modern Armored Personnel Carriers (5/1/2020 6:18:27 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Twotribes

Neither article says BEST they just say Modern )

Are modern vehicles inferior somehow?




Aaron321 -> RE: Top 10 Modern Armored Personnel Carriers (5/21/2020 12:20:36 AM)

Shame there is no Bradly or BMP-3 on the list. both are combat proven vehicles.




RangerJoe -> RE: Top 10 Modern Armored Personnel Carriers (5/21/2020 12:29:49 AM)

Those are considered infantry fighting vehicles.




Kuokkanen -> RE: Top 10 Modern Armored Personnel Carriers (5/21/2020 3:09:37 PM)

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Shame there is no Bradly or BMP-3 on the list. both are combat proven vehicles.

Don't forget Merkava [sm=00000280.gif]




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