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Chickenboy -> Odd combat report-anyone seen this? (5/3/2020 3:39:33 PM)
I've not seen this before. Some sort of reporting bug in the combat report? SitRep: Japanese hold Prome (Burma) with entrenched troops. Allies try 'recon by dead paratrooper' which meets with complete disaster for the 3rd USMC Para Bn. They're wiped out to a man-460 of 'em. So why are these ascribed as Japanese casualties? [&:] -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Ground combat at Prome (55,50) Allied Shock attack Attacking force 460 troops, 0 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 28 Defending force 13895 troops, 139 guns, 117 vehicles, Assault Value = 468 Assault collapses, attacking force wiped out Japanese ground losses: 460 casualties reported Squads: 35 destroyed, 0 disabled Non Combat: 11 destroyed, 0 disabled Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled Allied ground losses: Units destroyed 1 Assaulting units: 3rd USMC Parachute Bn /1 Defending units: Imperial Guards Division 2nd RF Gun Battalion 5th Ind.Hvy.Art Battalion 8th Ind.Hvy.Art. Battalion 36th Const Co

btd64 -> RE: Odd combat report-anyone seen this? (5/3/2020 3:43:18 PM)
That's a new one. Never seen that before....GP

durnedwolf -> RE: Odd combat report-anyone seen this? (5/3/2020 3:46:11 PM)
Must be Fog of War? [;)] Their unit was destroyed. I guess you have to hope each marine took a Japanese soldier with them to pay the ferryman's fee?

Chickenboy -> RE: Odd combat report-anyone seen this? (5/3/2020 3:52:12 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: durnedwolf Must be Fog of War? [;)] Their unit was destroyed. I guess you have to hope each marine took a Japanese soldier with them to pay the ferryman's fee? Thought that too, so I checked my IJA units-they have not sustained casualties commensurate with this report due to the assault.

BBfanboy -> RE: Odd combat report-anyone seen this? (5/3/2020 3:56:40 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Chickenboy quote: ORIGINAL: durnedwolf Must be Fog of War? [;)] Their unit was destroyed. I guess you have to hope each marine took a Japanese soldier with them to pay the ferryman's fee? Thought that too, so I checked my IJA units-they have not sustained casualties commensurate with this report due to the assault. I have seen lots of units wipe themselves out during river crossings and the like without the confusion in the losses department. Could be a glitch in the parachute assault model? I haven't used paratroops enough to have had a complete wipe-out.

Chickenboy -> RE: Odd combat report-anyone seen this? (5/3/2020 4:00:25 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: BBfanboy quote: ORIGINAL: Chickenboy quote: ORIGINAL: durnedwolf Must be Fog of War? [;)] Their unit was destroyed. I guess you have to hope each marine took a Japanese soldier with them to pay the ferryman's fee? Thought that too, so I checked my IJA units-they have not sustained casualties commensurate with this report due to the assault. I have seen lots of units wipe themselves out during river crossings and the like without the confusion in the losses department. Could be a glitch in the parachute assault model? I haven't used paratroops enough to have had a complete wipe-out. Leaning that way myself, BBfanboy. Some other calculators of para drops that are off the beaten game code 'track' too, so I wonder if this is a figment of that.

Zorch -> RE: Odd combat report-anyone seen this? (5/3/2020 7:08:22 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Chickenboy quote: ORIGINAL: BBfanboy quote: ORIGINAL: Chickenboy quote: ORIGINAL: durnedwolf Must be Fog of War? [;)] Their unit was destroyed. I guess you have to hope each marine took a Japanese soldier with them to pay the ferryman's fee? Thought that too, so I checked my IJA units-they have not sustained casualties commensurate with this report due to the assault. I have seen lots of units wipe themselves out during river crossings and the like without the confusion in the losses department. Could be a glitch in the parachute assault model? I haven't used paratroops enough to have had a complete wipe-out. Leaning that way myself, BBfanboy. Some other calculators of para drops that are off the beaten game code 'track' too, so I wonder if this is a figment of that. The paras changed sides because they realized the incompetence of their [;)] player.

GetAssista -> RE: Odd combat report-anyone seen this? (5/3/2020 7:16:29 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Chickenboy Assault collapses, attacking force wiped out See it often when a small unit is attacking against overwhelming force. Sure have seen it for quite some time already Edit: ah, wait, there is more? Nice [:D] Is it PBEM? One can write off a lot of strange things to a desync bug

RangerJoe -> RE: Odd combat report-anyone seen this? (5/3/2020 7:26:43 PM)
I have seen units wiped out during the attack but never did the casualties get listed for the other side. [8\|]

Chickenboy -> RE: Odd combat report-anyone seen this? (5/3/2020 9:22:42 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Zorch quote: ORIGINAL: Chickenboy quote: ORIGINAL: BBfanboy quote: ORIGINAL: Chickenboy quote: ORIGINAL: durnedwolf Must be Fog of War? [;)] Their unit was destroyed. I guess you have to hope each marine took a Japanese soldier with them to pay the ferryman's fee? Thought that too, so I checked my IJA units-they have not sustained casualties commensurate with this report due to the assault. I have seen lots of units wipe themselves out during river crossings and the like without the confusion in the losses department. Could be a glitch in the parachute assault model? I haven't used paratroops enough to have had a complete wipe-out. Leaning that way myself, BBfanboy. Some other calculators of para drops that are off the beaten game code 'track' too, so I wonder if this is a figment of that. The paras changed sides because they realized the incompetence of their [;)] player. That's an unkind way of referring to the Allied player (AcePylut) in this game, Zilch. [:-] ETA: [:'(] ETA II: I'm enjoying my game with AcePylut and he's an entirely competent player.

Chickenboy -> RE: Odd combat report-anyone seen this? (5/4/2020 2:03:18 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: GetAssista One can write off a lot of strange things to a desync bug I hope that's not it. A Sync bug would really suck. Plus, except for the reporting SNAFU, these events happened just as depicted. Both sides saw it happen just this way too. Weird reporting included.

Zorch -> RE: Odd combat report-anyone seen this? (5/4/2020 2:49:00 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Chickenboy quote: ORIGINAL: Zorch quote: ORIGINAL: Chickenboy quote: ORIGINAL: BBfanboy quote: ORIGINAL: Chickenboy quote: ORIGINAL: durnedwolf Must be Fog of War? [;)] Their unit was destroyed. I guess you have to hope each marine took a Japanese soldier with them to pay the ferryman's fee? Thought that too, so I checked my IJA units-they have not sustained casualties commensurate with this report due to the assault. I have seen lots of units wipe themselves out during river crossings and the like without the confusion in the losses department. Could be a glitch in the parachute assault model? I haven't used paratroops enough to have had a complete wipe-out. Leaning that way myself, BBfanboy. Some other calculators of para drops that are off the beaten game code 'track' too, so I wonder if this is a figment of that. The paras changed sides because they realized the incompetence of their [;)] player. That's an unkind way of referring to the Allied player (AcePylut) in this game, Zilch. [:-] ETA: [:'(] ETA II: I'm enjoying my game with AcePylut and he's an entirely competent player. Counterpoint: 460 dead paras beg to differ with your assessment of his ability. Unless they come back as zombies...the advantage of zombie paras is they don't need parachutes.

Chickenboy -> RE: Odd combat report-anyone seen this? (5/4/2020 2:52:13 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Zorch the advantage of zombie paras is they don't need parachutes. Well why designate them as paras? Wouldn't 'UA' (Undead Airborne) be more apt?

Zorch -> RE: Odd combat report-anyone seen this? (5/4/2020 2:54:20 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Chickenboy quote: ORIGINAL: Zorch the advantage of zombie paras is they don't need parachutes. Well why designate them as paras? Wouldn't 'UA' (Undead Airborne) be more apt? Because they can't fly, to the best of my knowledge.

HansBolter -> RE: Odd combat report-anyone seen this? (5/4/2020 3:02:40 PM)
Even the 460 casualties seem suspect. It was only a fragment that dropped and fought, not the entire battalion. "Assaulting units: 3rd USMC Parachute Bn /1"

RangerJoe -> RE: Odd combat report-anyone seen this? (5/4/2020 3:28:44 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Zorch quote: ORIGINAL: Chickenboy quote: ORIGINAL: Zorch quote: ORIGINAL: Chickenboy quote: ORIGINAL: BBfanboy quote: ORIGINAL: Chickenboy quote: ORIGINAL: durnedwolf Must be Fog of War? [;)] Their unit was destroyed. I guess you have to hope each marine took a Japanese soldier with them to pay the ferryman's fee? Thought that too, so I checked my IJA units-they have not sustained casualties commensurate with this report due to the assault. I have seen lots of units wipe themselves out during river crossings and the like without the confusion in the losses department. Could be a glitch in the parachute assault model? I haven't used paratroops enough to have had a complete wipe-out. Leaning that way myself, BBfanboy. Some other calculators of para drops that are off the beaten game code 'track' too, so I wonder if this is a figment of that. The paras changed sides because they realized the incompetence of their [;)] player. That's an unkind way of referring to the Allied player (AcePylut) in this game, Zilch. [:-] ETA: [:'(] ETA II: I'm enjoying my game with AcePylut and he's an entirely competent player. Counterpoint: 460 dead paras beg to differ with your assessment of his ability. Unless they come back as zombies...the advantage of zombie paras is they don't need parachutes. The Soviets dropped people from flying aircraft. They were told to steer for a deep pile of snow . . . [X(]

Chickenboy -> RE: Odd combat report-anyone seen this? (5/4/2020 3:51:24 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: HansBolter Even the 460 casualties seem suspect. It was only a fragment that dropped and fought, not the entire battalion. "Assaulting units: 3rd USMC Parachute Bn /1" I'm OK with that. He may not have had sufficient airlift to bring in the entire battalion. And part of a USMC Para Bn. had been used a couple days previously to capture an undefended Ramree Island (don't remember if it was same Bn. or not). So the fragment in this instance makes sense.

Zorch -> RE: Odd combat report-anyone seen this? (5/4/2020 7:28:43 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Chickenboy quote: ORIGINAL: HansBolter Even the 460 casualties seem suspect. It was only a fragment that dropped and fought, not the entire battalion. "Assaulting units: 3rd USMC Parachute Bn /1" I'm OK with that. He may not have had sufficient airlift to bring in the entire battalion. And part of a USMC Para Bn. had been used a couple days previously to capture an undefended Ramree Island (don't remember if it was same Bn. or not). So the fragment in this instance makes sense. What is the AV of a zombie para battalion? Do they gain experience as they lose body parts? And do they have zombie leaders and HQs?

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