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RangerJoe -> RE: Hell Hath Frozen Over (Scout1 (J) vs Lowpe (A) (7/22/2020 4:03:57 AM)
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ORIGINAL: Alfred
I would immediately, with absolutely no correspondence entered into, walk away from a game if an opponent abused the first turn magic move bonus to take out Portland or any similar Allied game infrastructure. Absolutely no tolerance for the resulting JFB whining about the necessity of doing so blah blah blah.
Think about it for a single moment.
1. The first turn move bonus is in the game only to allow the AI to achieve the historical strikes. As the game is designed it also allows a human Japan player to be in position for the historical Pearl Harbor, necessary as the game does not start on 26 November with the KB starting it's journey to Pearl Harbor. The alternative to not having the bonus move is to hard code the Japanese forces to their historical 7 December 1941 positions. That would kill off any alternative options, no Manila port strike in lieu of Pearl Harbor, no Mersing Gambit, no nothing. Just the Historical 7Dec 1941 first turn option. Swallow that pill you JFBs who insist Japan is only playable if it drastically deviates from the opening historical opening moves.
2. AE is supposed to capture the historical capabilities of the respective PTO combatants. Excluding the Emergency Reinforcements, only the Allied forces actually sent to the PTO are included. How much fun do these JFBs believe they would have if absolutely the entire ETO forces were sent to the Pacific in 1942.
3. The entire design philosophy of having future arriving USN ships destroyed on the stocks if the arriving base is captured by Japan, is predicated on the view that (a) the key shipbuilding yards are far away in the rear, well out of reach of any early Japanese moves using standard game mechanics, and (b) by the time, using standard game mechanics, Japan could threaten them, it is shame upon the Allied player for not properly garrisoning those locations. Nothing wrong with Japan trying to capture Portland (or Seattle, or San Diego et al) in January 1942. By then the Allied player has had time to set up their search patterns and send LCUs to garrison Portland, so some forewarning and forward/rear defensive preparation is possible. None of this is at all possible on turn 1.
The scenario designer may just not have bothered including all that future OOB capability, it would produce exactly the same outcome. Actually it would be even preferable as then the Allied player wouldn't lose all those VPs. However just how many people would have bought AE if told;
"well AE is an attempt to accurately represent the historical capabilities and logistical constraints which confronted the historical leaders except almost all the jeep carriers have been removed, or there won't be any 2E or 4E Allied bombers built because their factories aren't in the game as Japan could have captured them on 7/8/9 December 1941. And of course as you won't be getting those aircraft you won't be needing all those squadrons so there was no need for the designers to research the historical OOBs."
Of course it would be silly. But if a serious game possibility, who for a moment would be surprised if the devs had not changed the game design so that all the jeep carriers arrived off map, all the aircraft were produced off map. The slight affront to historical accuracy would be well worthwhile just to squash this silly notion that the historical industrial capacity (and future industrial expansion) of the USA could have been so easily destroyed and made smaller than the game industrial capacity of Japan (after it captures the SRA).
I'd like to see the next Super Bowl played where for the first quarter only Team A takes to the field. No players from Team B take to the field before the second quarter and then when they do Team B can't field its offense roster (being forced to use just its defence roster) and touchdowns for team B score only 2 points with no conversions allowed. See how far the fan base would support that game design philosophy.
Alfred
I agree.
Plus, the main battle fleet (the BBs) was still in the Home Islands. If they would have moved south, I am pretty sure that the Allies would have known about that and put their forces on high alert. If they were near the DEI, then Force Z would not have sallied forth. The Asiatic fleet would have gone into the DEI as was being planned with Admiral Phillips in Manila when the Pearl Harbor attacked occurred. The Commonwealth was monitoring the invasion fleet movements already and if they saw even more ships, they would have been at a very high alert stage. As it was, they were attempting to get into Siam to a ridge line for defensive purposes. They dithered and did not go to an alternate position in time.
But if the Minnesota Vikings were Team A in that Super Bowl game that you described, maybe they could finally win one.
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