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Ian R -> RE: OT: Greyhound movie (2020) (7/15/2020 6:23:14 AM)


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ORIGINAL: RangerJoe

At 22:30, the fog lifted and Kouma saw that a North Korean pontoon bridge was being laid across the river directly in front of his position.[10]


That would suggest that then DPRK sappers would have noticed the tanks and MGMCs at the same time. The rapid fire 40mm may have been more worrying to them than the tank cannon.




Ian R -> RE: OT: Greyhound movie (2020) (7/15/2020 6:30:24 AM)


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ORIGINAL: warspite1


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ORIGINAL: geofflambert

Tanks had a hell of a lot to do with the Western (US, UK and France) victory.

warspite1

What happened to the Canadians?



Good question.



CV10 -> RE: OT: Greyhound movie (2020) (7/15/2020 1:58:46 PM)

I've watched it twice with friends and I enjoyed it. Warspite did a good job of highlighting all the things I found wrong with it, so I don't have much to add in that regard. It's not a brilliant movie, but it's good and certainly infinitely better than TMTSNBN.

The trailer packs a lot of the shooting scenes in, but that's almost par for course nowadays.

The British destroyer was based on the Polish Grom-class (one of which actually did perform convoy duties in the Atlantic) while the Canadian corvette was a proper Flower-class. A Tribal-class DD might have been a better choice for 'Eagle' (using HMCS Haida as a stand in). CGI was pretty good.



paradigmblue -> RE: OT: Greyhound movie (2020) (7/15/2020 2:43:24 PM)

Just watched it last night.

Honestly, with as much as WWII movies usually get wrong, Greyhound, while not perfect, got enough right that I could forgive the rest.



BBfanboy -> RE: OT: Greyhound movie (2020) (7/15/2020 3:25:30 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Ian R


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ORIGINAL: warspite1


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ORIGINAL: geofflambert

Tanks had a hell of a lot to do with the Western (US, UK and France) victory.

warspite1

What happened to the Canadians?



Good question.


Ian R, I am not sure if your response means "the Canadians were irrelevant" or "I don't know anything about Canadian efforts on land". Considering the Canadians took one sixth of the DD day beaches, and despite casualties of over 70% in some units they pushed further inland on day one than any other Allied units, they earned their spurs on D-Day. Then, despite having less resources backing them (like the lack of boats and landing craft to navigate the flooded polders) , they fought along the Channel coast where all the Nazi fortifications were and cleaned them out. Canadians are still revered in Holland for liberating the country, and saving tens of thousands by arranging and air-drop of food behind German lines to starving Netherlanders. Canadians are not big on hype, so their accomplishments have little play in movies and TV shows, but the Germans certainly respected their abilities.




obvert -> RE: OT: Greyhound movie (2020) (7/15/2020 4:11:14 PM)

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ORIGINAL: warspite1

SPOILER ALERT FOR GREYHOUND

I watched Greyhound.

I was expecting a lot from it – being a fan of Tom Hanks since Volunteers and Splash! – and really enjoying Band of Brothers.

It didn’t quite live up to expectations, but I would say I enjoyed it and was glad I saw it. The positives outweighed the negatives definitely.

Positives
- The greyness of the Atlantic was well borne out
- The action scenes were generally good (although they overplayed the close encounters on the surface which did happen but were hardly standard German tactics)


They also had a lot of close passes by merchies and the near miss with what was supposed to be the United States. In terms of film-making I'd critique this as it failed to give scope to the size and difference of the ships as they moved. Why do film-makers do this? It's just a useless visual.

The encounters didn't give good scope to the German side of the cat and mouse, but that's okay. They obviously put them on the surface to "show" the audience the enemy, but the depth charge attacks were also ridiculously short and the tension didn't really build with only one real pass over the sub. DC attacks could last hours.

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- The death of Cleveland was a shocker – a very likeable character



This felt very early and didn't really have the intended affect, I thought. We didn't know him. He had a limited role, and it could have been fleshed out a lot more below deck rather than so many shots of Hanks staring out a window.

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- Stephen Graham appears to be an honorary American now
- CGI was pretty good (unlike so many aircraft portrayals) – the Fletcher-class and the Flower-class corvette, looked to be sufficiently accurate
- Good to see the RN and the RCN were included as well as reference to merchant sailors from other allied nations (through the Greek merchant)



Could have really used a few moments on board one or two of the merchies.

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Negatives
- Of all the names they could have used (Harry was pretty cool) why did they call a British destroyer Eagle?? No!!!!!!
- The movement inside the ship didn’t seem to match what the destroyer was doing, battling against the waves, and the sailors should have been battling the elements more – cold, wet and being thrown about
- Elisabeth Shue’s part really wasn’t worth turning up for. I mean give her a bit more to do or just decide to do away with her “character” altogether. A waste of 5 minutes or whatever she was on for.



I thought the dream/flashback to her was fine. It gave context to the battles, but it wasn't needed, you're right. She was just eye candy too, with few lines.

I would argue this particular WWII film didn't need a nod to the home front in the way so many have used. Leave it in the ocean.

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- The taunting of the crew by the U-boat commanders….. mmm that was the only bit that really grated. Just no. As far as I know there was no incidence of this and it was all a bit hammy.



Yep. Stupid. It negated the Hanks character's correction to "50 souls" that seemed to show he saw the human cost on both sides. It would have been so much more visually interesting to get some internal sub shots and periscope views, plus some close-up action on the sub deck during the surface fights. The decision to keep it one-sided is oddly less interesting filmically here.

Overall I loved seeing many of the visuals, the processes of tracking by radar, sonar and eyeball, and the harsh conditions up there. Made me get the intense pressure of the elements and the enemy grinding away at the crew and officers through the mid-Atlantic gap.



RangerJoe -> RE: OT: Greyhound movie (2020) (7/15/2020 6:02:44 PM)

Das boot was one sided and it was good. Greyhound should then be fine if it is one sided.

There is nothing wrong with eye candy - it is what we fight for. Think of Operation Petticoat when the nurses came aboard and what the old Chief said.

It may not be perfect but it is probably better than many others. Should I start naming some? If it gets people interested in the war and people then read about it, that is great. If it entertains, that is also good.

The Canadians had one out of five beaches my Canadian friend.

If it weren't for Western equipment and supplies send to the Soviets, they could not have done what they did.

If it weren't for winning the Battle of the Atlantic, then the Normandy invasion probably could not have happened or it would have been much smaller.

If they did not get the ships and equipment perfect, let them know so they may do better next time.



geofflambert -> RE: OT: Greyhound movie (2020) (7/15/2020 6:15:48 PM)

If Hitler hadn't invaded the Soviet Union ...



BBfanboy -> RE: OT: Greyhound movie (2020) (7/15/2020 6:43:05 PM)


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ORIGINAL: obvert

Overall I loved seeing many of the visuals, the processes of tracking by radar, sonar and eyeball, and the harsh conditions up there. Made me get the intense pressure of the elements and the enemy grinding away at the crew and officers through the mid-Atlantic gap.


Speaking of harsh conditions, it is too bad that the movie features a Fletcher class DD with an enclosed bridge, the windshield wipers constantly sweeping the windows. Most of the escorts during the Battle of the Atlantic had open bridges, the crew there suffering the cold and damp as much as the guys on watch above decks.

Sailors falling asleep on watch (from the cold and the monotony of watching the heaving ocean) became such a problem that the Canadian Admiralty at one point threatened death by hanging to any sailor found asleep on duty. Way to enhance morale, Admiral! Fortunately ship captains dealt with such incidents in a more appropriate manner. In the winter, some sailors on watch froze to death.

My dad's rheumatoid arthritis was officially acknowledged as stemming from his service in the Battle of the Atlantic. He got a little more veteran's pension for that.



RangerJoe -> RE: OT: Greyhound movie (2020) (7/15/2020 6:55:40 PM)

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If Hitler hadn't invaded the Soviet Union ...


Then the Soviets probably would have attacked Romania and captured Polesti. At least bombed it into nonproductive status.



warspite1 -> RE: OT: Greyhound movie (2020) (7/15/2020 8:24:40 PM)


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If Hitler hadn't invaded the Soviet Union ...
warspite1

Then Hitler wouldn't have been Hitler and there would have been no WWII.



fcooke -> RE: OT: Greyhound movie (2020) (7/16/2020 1:52:58 AM)

Geez - that would have been a good outcome......



Orm -> RE: OT: Greyhound movie (2020) (7/16/2020 3:07:25 PM)


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ORIGINAL: warspite1


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ORIGINAL: geofflambert

If Hitler hadn't invaded the Soviet Union ...
warspite1

Then Hitler wouldn't have been Hitler and there would have been no WWII.


I doubt that.



Zorch -> RE: OT: Greyhound movie (2020) (7/16/2020 3:41:02 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Orm


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ORIGINAL: warspite1


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ORIGINAL: geofflambert

If Hitler hadn't invaded the Soviet Union ...
warspite1

Then Hitler wouldn't have been Hitler and there would have been no WWII.


I doubt that.

This deserves a Downfall parody - Hitler finds out he didn't attack Russia.



RFalvo69 -> RE: OT: Greyhound movie (2020) (7/16/2020 11:03:52 PM)


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ORIGINAL: castor troy

Lol, no? I have seen the trailer and those 2 min show the sinking of at least 2 (or 3?) Uboats AND both one Uboat and a destroyer firing at each other like 18th century lineships.


In the trailer that scene doesn't make sense, I agree. However, let's say that in the movie there is a reason for that scene to happen. I don't know if something like that actually happened for real at least once during WWII, but the U-Boat Captain in the movie had a very real reason (and the opportunity) for trying that stunt.

And, no, Tom Hanks doesn't win the war alone - much less this specific convoy run.



Podolano -> RE: OT: Greyhound movie (2020) (7/17/2020 2:17:09 AM)


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For you JFBs, I recommend Isoroku Yamamoto, released a few years back by a Japanese studio. It is a sympathetic biography of Yamamoto with very good acting and some well-done CGI battle scenes. This is really a top-rate film, in my opinion, though several scenes are highly derivative of Tora Tora Tora and Midway.

I also recommend the movie Zero Pilot about a few young Japanese who interview squadron mates of their grandfather and learn of his career and life as a Zero pilot. It is also well-done, well-acted, and with some very nice CGI battle scenes. It is fictional.

Finally there is Yamato a fictional account (though accurate with respect to naval actions of the BB) of the life of several crewmembers aboard the dreadnought. It is derivative of Titanic and Zero Pilot with a young Japanese woman going out to the wreckage to learn of the life of the man who adopted her. It is a rather genuine depiction, however, of life aboard a Japanese ship of war during this period, though not quite so good as the previous two, in my opinion.


Along those lines, I’d recommend The Eternal Zero, a movie based on a manga series of the same name.
It portraits an interesting Zero fighter pilot character through some of the major battles in the Pacific, with competent CGI depicting some aerial battles and carrier groups (Akagi is very well illustrated in the movie).

Regards,

Felipe



Alpha77 -> RE: OT: Greyhound movie (2020) (8/3/2020 1:29:50 PM)

I do not care about the movie, alone for the fact Hanks is in it... he just is not a good enough actor in my view [:'(] Same with Pitt.... and yes, the fact they are leading roles in movies with propaganda thrown in and not very historical makes me not like em more..

OT, but I recently found some Dirty Harry scenes on YT which reminded me these films must have been pretty cool - need to re-watch [:)]

Not only the action and his famous one liners but there is more. Check this here, a scene where they evaluate proposed promotion of officers. Note the looks on the faces of the actors too :)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?reload=9&v=9rcIJIWqYmo



Chickenboy -> RE: OT: Greyhound movie (2020) (8/3/2020 5:50:45 PM)

Saw Greyhound last week on a short-term trial of Apple TV+. I noticed the STS taunting and thought it unnecessary, but not ruinous for the movie. Otherwise, it was very enjoyable. Recommended.



mind_messing -> RE: OT: Greyhound movie (2020) (8/3/2020 8:51:22 PM)

I'd love AE forum denizens to write a film script. The product that would result would be both hilarious and impossible to film.



RangerJoe -> RE: OT: Greyhound movie (2020) (8/3/2020 9:36:12 PM)


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ORIGINAL: mind_messing

I'd love AE forum denizens to write a film script. The product that would result would be both hilarious and impossible to film.


Is that because you are incapable of doing so? [8|]



mind_messing -> RE: OT: Greyhound movie (2020) (8/3/2020 10:03:05 PM)


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ORIGINAL: RangerJoe


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ORIGINAL: mind_messing

I'd love AE forum denizens to write a film script. The product that would result would be both hilarious and impossible to film.


Is that because you are incapable of doing so? [8|]


Yes.

I know the limits of my competence :)



RangerJoe -> RE: OT: Greyhound movie (2020) (8/3/2020 10:41:36 PM)


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ORIGINAL: mind_messing


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ORIGINAL: RangerJoe


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ORIGINAL: mind_messing

I'd love AE forum denizens to write a film script. The product that would result would be both hilarious and impossible to film.


Is that because you are incapable of doing so? [8|]


Yes.

I know the limits of my competence :)


Then one way to do so would be to have a group effort. People from various locales to give the vernacular of the people from that area. You could also have people who have had experience on whatever systems that the ships, aircraft, weapons, and/or vehicle equipment used. Some of the stories in some of the AARs seemed to be done quite well.



mind_messing -> RE: OT: Greyhound movie (2020) (8/3/2020 11:14:21 PM)


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ORIGINAL: RangerJoe


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ORIGINAL: mind_messing


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ORIGINAL: RangerJoe


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ORIGINAL: mind_messing

I'd love AE forum denizens to write a film script. The product that would result would be both hilarious and impossible to film.


Is that because you are incapable of doing so? [8|]


Yes.

I know the limits of my competence :)


Then one way to do so would be to have a group effort. People from various locales to give the vernacular of the people from that area. You could also have people who have had experience on whatever systems that the ships, aircraft, weapons, and/or vehicle equipment used. Some of the stories in some of the AARs seemed to be done quite well.


The problem with writing-by-committee is the need to cleave closely to a common artistic vision, both in terms of the story and in terms of characterisation. I'm not sure the AE community could agree on a consistent characterisation of MacArthur (for example) without a significant level of dissent from some members.

The ships, weapons etc are nice and all, but they are things. It's people (or more accurately, characters) that draw people in.



RangerJoe -> RE: OT: Greyhound movie (2020) (8/3/2020 11:29:02 PM)


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ORIGINAL: mind_messing


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ORIGINAL: RangerJoe


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ORIGINAL: mind_messing


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ORIGINAL: RangerJoe


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ORIGINAL: mind_messing

I'd love AE forum denizens to write a film script. The product that would result would be both hilarious and impossible to film.


Is that because you are incapable of doing so? [8|]


Yes.

I know the limits of my competence :)


Then one way to do so would be to have a group effort. People from various locales to give the vernacular of the people from that area. You could also have people who have had experience on whatever systems that the ships, aircraft, weapons, and/or vehicle equipment used. Some of the stories in some of the AARs seemed to be done quite well.


The problem with writing-by-committee is the need to cleave closely to a common artistic vision, both in terms of the story and in terms of characterisation. I'm not sure the AE community could agree on a consistent characterisation of MacArthur (for example) without a significant level of dissent from some members.

The ships, weapons etc are nice and all, but they are things. It's people (or more accurately, characters) that draw people in.


True. But if I tried to write about a service member from Scotland I would have to do a lot of research and probably not get it correct. Although a drunken American saying something about a man wearing a kilt . . . [8|]

But using a name other than kilt . . . [:-] [sm=00000030.gif]



Ambassador -> RE: OT: Greyhound movie (2020) (12/12/2020 10:14:51 PM)


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ORIGINAL: warspite1

SPOILER ALERT FOR GREYHOUND

I watched Greyhound.

I was expecting a lot from it – being a fan of Tom Hanks since Volunteers and Splash! – and really enjoying Band of Brothers.

It didn’t quite live up to expectations, but I would say I enjoyed it and was glad I saw it. The positives outweighed the negatives definitely.

Positives
- The greyness of the Atlantic was well borne out
- The action scenes were generally good (although they overplayed the close encounters on the surface which did happen but were hardly standard German tactics)
- The death of Cleveland was a shocker – a very likeable character
- Stephen Graham appears to be an honorary American now
- CGI was pretty good (unlike so many aircraft portrayals) – the Fletcher-class and the Flower-class corvette, looked to be sufficiently accurate
- Good to see the RN and the RCN were included as well as reference to merchant sailors from other allied nations (through the Greek merchant)

Negatives
- Of all the names they could have used (Harry was pretty cool) why did they call a British destroyer Eagle?? No!!!!!!
- The movement inside the ship didn’t seem to match what the destroyer was doing, battling against the waves, and the sailors should have been battling the elements more – cold, wet and being thrown about
- Elisabeth Shue’s part really wasn’t worth turning up for. I mean give her a bit more to do or just decide to do away with her “character” altogether. A waste of 5 minutes or whatever she was on for.
- The taunting of the crew by the U-boat commanders….. mmm that was the only bit that really grated. Just no. As far as I know there was no incidence of this and it was all a bit hammy.


I just finished watching the movie, and I must confess I was pleasantly surprised, as I had kept my expectations low enough, given Hollywood’s track record... and seeing a Fletcher in April 42 was a bad omen at start.

I agree on most of Warspite’s comments, albeit I think the Eagle was a Polish destroyer, not British. And as a non-American, I salute the effort to mention the other co-belligerents, and not a lone token.

The taunting by radio is the only thing which really irritated me.
The inclusion of Elisabeth Shue was not too invasive, it conferred some human dimension, and served as plot exposition regarding Cdr Krause’s career and first command.

I liked the fact the POV was attached to the eponymous ship (and even more on Hanks’ character), but I felt the movie a bit too short, with the action sequences too fast, but there’s been worse on the big screen. But 10-20 minutes more would have allowed to make the tension rise higher between actions. It would have made a perfect counter-point to Das Boot or the numerous other submarine movies. I’ve read the book a long time ago, and I didn’t feel the inner turmoil of Krause or the mood of the crew as well as it ought to. But a movie rarely conveys the same feelings as a good book.

Overall, I’m not disappointed. And it made me think of the Hibiki (I might have to dig the forum to recover that, to read it again).



tolsdorff -> RE: OT: Greyhound movie (2020) (12/12/2020 11:13:08 PM)

you mean this one ?



Ambassador -> RE: OT: Greyhound movie (2020) (12/13/2020 8:30:00 AM)


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ORIGINAL: tolsdorff

you mean this one ?

Yeah, thank you !



Sardaukar -> RE: OT: Greyhound movie (2020) (12/13/2020 9:55:38 AM)

It was better than I thought.

Should have had those knife-fight scenes during dark night, as they happened sometimes then.

And "Pillenwerfer" (BOLD decoy,) while it came to use in 1942, might not have been around yet (IIRC timeline of movie is early 1942?).



CaptBeefheart -> RE: OT: Greyhound movie (2020) (12/14/2020 12:23:56 AM)

In the book it's a Polish destroyer. There is no Brit destroyer.

One question: Does the film capture the multinational aspect of the TF well? In the book, Krause modifies his actions to take into the account the sensibilities of the several nationalities involved. It's a small but interesting part of the story, at least to me.

Cheers,
CB



789456281 -> RE: OT: Greyhound movie (2020) (12/14/2020 2:16:19 AM)

Tom hanks is a liberal turd bag lousy actor too boot.Cannot stand that worthless PUD.Watch the cruel sea instead.Fantastic movie.



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