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Cav_Legion -> Bomb Air field Bug (7/15/2020 5:02:12 PM)

Hi Everyone,

Bomb Air Field is broken. I flew 8 Bomb air field missions with interceptors against a enemy air field (trying to eliminate it) and all that occurred was that I took 4 steps in damage. What is the expected outcome ? I would expect either a massive air battle (only my first mission had defender intercept) with the target airfield or massive damage to the planes on the ground. How are you supposed to target an opposing airforce for destruction ?
Thank you, Cav_Legion



ncc1701e -> RE: Bomb Air field Bug (7/16/2020 8:13:06 PM)

Better to destroy the enemy in the air...



AlvaroSousa -> RE: Bomb Air field Bug (7/17/2020 12:22:34 PM)

Read up on what is important. The planes don't matter. In 1945 Germany had over 40,000 sitting around. The pilots matter. So when you bomb an airfield it is more the destruction of the air strip, a few planes until they get new ones. But the cost is more time than anything else.

Planes are a dime a dozen. Germany built ~40k in 1944 but only had a 4-5k airforce. Why is that? Because it's the pilot that is important.



Cav_Legion -> RE: Bomb Air field Bug (7/27/2020 6:35:28 PM)

thanks Alvaro !



Cigar King -> RE: Bomb Air field Bug (7/30/2020 11:40:37 PM)


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ORIGINAL: AlvaroSousa

Read up on what is important. The planes don't matter. In 1945 Germany had over 40,000 sitting around. The pilots matter. So when you bomb an airfield it is more the destruction of the air strip, a few planes until they get new ones. But the cost is more time than anything else.

Planes are a dime a dozen. Germany built ~40k in 1944 but only had a 4-5k airforce. Why is that? Because it's the pilot that is important.


While I agree with your sentiment, I am not seeing this reflected in the game. The air units, as near as I can tell are full strength to the end. In reality, the pilot shortage reduced them significantly. The Allied air offensive before D-Day basically forced the Germans to withdraw all the aircraft from the battle area to avoid destruction. In the game, this does not matter. The only real destructions comes if you are able to overrun air units.



malkarma -> RE: Bomb Air field Bug (7/31/2020 9:41:04 AM)

Thinking about this the first stage of the Battle over Britain (the useful one imo) was to the destroy the British airforce in the ground. No matter how many planes do you have....if you can put them on the air they can't defend themselves, so they will be really vulnerable to air attacks (just like happenned to the arab air force in the Six Days War).



AlvaroSousa -> RE: Bomb Air field Bug (7/31/2020 2:58:15 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Cigar King


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ORIGINAL: AlvaroSousa

Read up on what is important. The planes don't matter. In 1945 Germany had over 40,000 sitting around. The pilots matter. So when you bomb an airfield it is more the destruction of the air strip, a few planes until they get new ones. But the cost is more time than anything else.

Planes are a dime a dozen. Germany built ~40k in 1944 but only had a 4-5k airforce. Why is that? Because it's the pilot that is important.


While I agree with your sentiment, I am not seeing this reflected in the game. The air units, as near as I can tell are full strength to the end. In reality, the pilot shortage reduced them significantly. The Allied air offensive before D-Day basically forced the Germans to withdraw all the aircraft from the battle area to avoid destruction. In the game, this does not matter. The only real destructions comes if you are able to overrun air units.



If you play the A.I. it's possible. If you play the Axis vs a human player.... wait and see if your air force is at full strength lol.

Most losses come from air to air combat.

I also don't mimic history. Which wargamer would idiotically the backward ass system of pilot training the Germans did, none. So we assume that you train pilots properly. Remember this is a wargame and meant for fun with a historical reference. Not a historical wargame... that would be boring and very railroaded. Like you couldn't do Sealion EVER for example. You would never win the Battle of Britain. You would never even come close to achieving what the Germans did in Russia.



Cigar King -> RE: Bomb Air field Bug (7/31/2020 10:48:20 PM)

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I also don't mimic history. Which wargamer would idiotically the backward ass system of pilot training the Germans did, none. So we assume that you train pilots properly. Remember this is a wargame and meant for fun with a historical reference. Not a historical wargame...


OK, I can buy this, to a point. Why give the Germans better units? Why give the Italians worse? Because that's what they had historically. What concerns me, is that there is virtually no impact from attacking bombers on the air units they are attacking. I'm guessing the US air corps in the Philippines might have a different story to tell.




AlvaroSousa -> RE: Bomb Air field Bug (8/1/2020 7:26:34 PM)

Germans because materially they didn't have enough and their troops were the best trained.

Italy that because for balance and fun they were the worst outfitted. And this is a historical reference that has to be put in.

Together they make a balanced force.

If I made the Italians and Germans the same wargamers wouldn't buy the fantasy. I wouldn't myself.

Attacking airbases isn't useless. I plow Axis air bases before D-Day. I don't want any bombers getting a lucky hit on my transports carrying troops.

Airbase bombing is about disruption. pot holes in runways, damaged planes that need to be replaced and occasionally killing a pilot.

But the Allies have their unit advantages also.
Soviets have LARGER infantry armies than everyone's corps.
Later in the war they have the best mech
USA has a tank factor in their infantry units.

These are little flavors that make the game better.



Cigar King -> RE: Bomb Air field Bug (8/1/2020 7:54:16 PM)


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Attacking airbases isn't useless. I plow Axis air bases before D-Day. I don't want any bombers getting a lucky hit on my transports carrying troops.


I agree with what you're saying. What I am saying is that is see very little noticeable impact from bombing air units. They don't seem to take any appreciable damage, and it does not appear to impact their ability to attack naval units.

Perhaps I'm just not seeing it.



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