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Flaviusx -> RE: battlevonwar(Axis) vs sveint(Allies) (7/22/2020 3:56:00 AM)

I don't think it is possible to hold on to France long enough against a German player who knows what they are doing. You threw the kitchen sink and forced it into late August. That's pretty darn good, but not really good enough to stop a rush on Greece. And I think you got lucky with him not placing his paras to try to cut off the BEF.

You basically got an extra 3 turns out of this as opposed to a budget sized BEF.




sveint -> RE: battlevonwar(Axis) vs sveint(Allies) (7/22/2020 4:54:34 AM)

Turn 29: September 27, 1940

The UK loses a sub off Greece.

Axis forces are building up at Tobruk.

British carriers try to strike a German fleet at Brunsbüttel but fail.

A fighter leaves the UK for Gibraltar. I'll be very surprised if we don't get some bad weather in the UK next turn.
The UK limits Reinforcements to 100 so we can potentially buy an armoured corps next turn.

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sveint -> RE: battlevonwar(Axis) vs sveint(Allies) (7/22/2020 5:40:40 AM)

Turn 30: October 11, 1940

Axis forces advance on Egypt. We celebrate with elite anti-tank crews and by raiding their supply lines.

Two infantry corps and a bomber leave the UK for Gibraltar.

The UK builds an armoured corps. Canada builds an infantry division.

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sveint -> RE: battlevonwar(Axis) vs sveint(Allies) (7/22/2020 6:39:36 AM)

Turn 31: October 25, 1940

U-boats sink 5 merchants. Axis air units take 16 step losses bombing our fleet off Tobruk, causing 5 steps damage.

We move our fleet off Tripoli. Two carriers arrive in Egypt.

A large amount of Axis troops are now in Africa.

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sveint -> RE: battlevonwar(Axis) vs sveint(Allies) (7/22/2020 6:56:33 PM)

Turn 32: November 8, 1940

Quiet turn. U-boats sink 3 merchants but take 2 steps damage.

Second fighter arrives in Egypt. Defense looking good.

Canada builds a division.

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sveint -> RE: battlevonwar(Axis) vs sveint(Allies) (7/22/2020 7:42:24 PM)

Turn 33:

U-boats sink 6 merchants and 1 escort.

Italian troops arrive in the east. I'm 90% sure we'll see 1941 Barbarossa.



sillyflower -> RE: battlevonwar(Axis) vs sveint(Allies) (7/22/2020 10:45:59 PM)

Your game looking quite similar to mine vs BWvS. He does know what he is doing.France was attacked at the beginning of May surrendered end August despite max BEF effort. I fear more historic dates with Alvaro's forthcoming patch. At least I only lost 1 UK inf xxx though. He did get Greece in 1 turn though using your method. We are now in December '40 I think but I'm 100% sure of '41 Barbarossa. I'm doing the Flavius thing with the Russian inf xxx though I have bought more mech than him.



sveint -> RE: battlevonwar(Axis) vs sveint(Allies) (7/22/2020 11:33:11 PM)

Turn 34: December 6, 1940

U-boats sink 3 merchants and an escort.

The Soviets have built absolutely no new units.

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sveint -> RE: battlevonwar(Axis) vs sveint(Allies) (7/22/2020 11:33:57 PM)

Northern defenses.

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sveint -> RE: battlevonwar(Axis) vs sveint(Allies) (7/22/2020 11:34:34 PM)

Southern defenses.

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sveint -> RE: battlevonwar(Axis) vs sveint(Allies) (7/22/2020 11:57:35 PM)

Turn 35: December 20, 1940

U-boats sink 4 merchants, take 2 step losses.

Two UK corps leave Egypt and will return to England.

The UK builds 20 landing ships.



sveint -> RE: battlevonwar(Axis) vs sveint(Allies) (7/23/2020 1:16:02 AM)

Turn 36: January 3, 1941

U-boats sink 8 merchants taking 1 step loss.

The UK builds 20 merchants.



sveint -> RE: battlevonwar(Axis) vs sveint(Allies) (7/23/2020 3:55:08 AM)

Turn 37: January 17, 1941

U-boats (four are active) sink 4 merchants, take 2 steps damage.

Canada builds a division.

I'm not sure what to build as the UK, any suggestions?



sveint -> RE: battlevonwar(Axis) vs sveint(Allies) (7/23/2020 11:14:40 PM)

Turn 38: January 31, 1941

U-boats sink 7 merchants, taking no losses.

Two British carriers leave Egypt to help hunt u-boats.

The UK builds 10 merchants and 1 armoured corps.



sveint -> RE: battlevonwar(Axis) vs sveint(Allies) (7/24/2020 1:12:25 AM)

Turn 39: February 14, 1941

Very quiet turn.



sveint -> RE: battlevonwar(Axis) vs sveint(Allies) (7/24/2020 2:55:10 AM)

Turn 40:

U-boats sink 1 merchants, carriers cause 2 steps damage to u-boats.

The UK builds an armoured corps, Canada builds a division.



sveint -> RE: battlevonwar(Axis) vs sveint(Allies) (7/24/2020 4:03:46 AM)

Turn 41:

2 merchants lost to u-boats, one to the CA Hipper.

UK builds 30 landing ships.



sveint -> RE: battlevonwar(Axis) vs sveint(Allies) (7/24/2020 4:33:16 AM)

Turn 42: March 28, 1941

Germany takes Norway. U-boats take 1 step damage.

I've never had a game be this quiet before. It's given the UK the time to organize and plan a little diversion once Barbarossa starts.

The UK builds 60 landing ships, the US builds 30.



sveint -> RE: battlevonwar(Axis) vs sveint(Allies) (7/24/2020 5:30:53 AM)

Turn 43:

U-boats (there are 6 active) sink 9 merchants and take 2 steps damage.

Carriers cause 3 steps to u-boats.

Norway isn't fully garrisoned so we take control of Bergen and Trondheim.
A division is ready to land at Narvik next turn.

The UK builds a ground attack group. Canada builds a division.

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sveint -> RE: battlevonwar(Axis) vs sveint(Allies) (7/24/2020 6:18:14 AM)

Turn 44: April 25, 1941

U-boats sink 6 merchants but take 4 steps damage.

Despite good weather, Barbarossa does not start.

We take Narvik. No German reinforcements for Norway.
With the Iron Ore route effectively shut down I think it was a huge mistake for Germany to attack Norway.

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sveint -> RE: battlevonwar(Axis) vs sveint(Allies) (7/24/2020 7:14:42 AM)

Turn 45: May 9, 1941

The UK builds an armoured corps.



sveint -> RE: battlevonwar(Axis) vs sveint(Allies) (7/24/2020 6:14:56 PM)

Turn 46: May 23, 1941

Barbarossa begins. 11 rifle corps shatter.

A British corps is sent to Stavanger, as an Italian unit has occupied the resource there.
The UK sends 54 production to the Soviets and builds 20 supply trucks.

In Finland our mech corps make low odds attack against the Finns before withdrawing.

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sveint -> RE: battlevonwar(Axis) vs sveint(Allies) (7/24/2020 7:30:34 PM)

On the east front we fall back as the Red air force makes suicidal attacks on panzer formations.

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sveint -> RE: battlevonwar(Axis) vs sveint(Allies) (7/24/2020 7:31:32 PM)

There are some interesting peculiarities about the Axis attack:

-Strong Italian armored presence
-Very weak Axis air power

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sveint -> RE: battlevonwar(Axis) vs sveint(Allies) (7/24/2020 7:38:21 PM)

The Soviets build 12 armies. There is 1300 production remaining in the Stockpile.

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sveint -> RE: battlevonwar(Axis) vs sveint(Allies) (7/24/2020 8:42:26 PM)

Turn 47: June 6, 1941

Soviets lose 5 rifle corps shattered. The Bismarck raids the arctic for 4 merchants.

A large fleet with transports leave England heading south. The UK sends 55 production to the Soviets.

In the east we keep retreating. Five low-experience basic reserve armies are mobilized.

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Flaviusx -> RE: battlevonwar(Axis) vs sveint(Allies) (7/24/2020 9:08:41 PM)

Ah yes, the stockpile a bunch of points and dump it all at once on rifle armies strat. It's legit, but I do not like it.



sveint -> RE: battlevonwar(Axis) vs sveint(Allies) (7/24/2020 9:36:16 PM)

Why don't you like it?



Flaviusx -> RE: battlevonwar(Axis) vs sveint(Allies) (7/24/2020 9:42:42 PM)

I think it is an inefficient use of manpower and in the long run manpower is the biggest resource constraint for the Soviets. I also think it gives up too much ground that could otherwise be held with the much despised rifle corps.

It also locks you in to buying up front a bunch of expensive units at a lower level of experience than might otherwise be the case.

I prefer instead to buy these rifle armies gradually, and with as little impact on the Soviet manpower pool as possible and at a higher average level of experience because you are recycling veteran manpower back into them.






sveint -> RE: battlevonwar(Axis) vs sveint(Allies) (7/24/2020 9:47:49 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: Flaviusx

I think it is an inefficient use of manpower and in the long run manpower is the biggest resource constraint for the Soviets. I also think it gives up too much ground that could otherwise be held with the much despised rifle corps.

It also locks you in to buying up front a bunch of expensive units at a lower level of experience than might otherwise be the case.

I prefer instead to buy these rifle armies gradually, and with as little impact on the Soviet manpower pool as possible and at a higher average level of experience because you are recycling veteran manpower back into them.



Then it's probably my inexperience that shows. I've never had manpower problems with the Soviets, or indeed any real problems at all.



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