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Vathailos -> Interesting Mil History "Facts" (8/5/2003 9:57:38 PM)

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FYI for those history buffs.

You'll love this from Col. D.G. Swinford, USMC, Ret. and history
buff. You really have to dig to get this kind of ringside seat to
history

1. The first German serviceman killed in WW II was killed by the
Japanese (China, 1937), the first American serviceman killed was
killed by the Russians (Finland 1940), the highest ranking American killed was Lt. Gen. Lesley McNair, killed by the US Army Air Corps... So much for friendly fire.

2. The youngest US serviceman was 12 year old Calvin Graham, USN. He was wounded and given a Dishonorable Discharge for lying about his age. (His benefits were later restored by act of Congress)

3. At the time of Pearl Harbor the top US Navy command was Called CINCUS (pronounced "sink us"), the shoulder patch of the US Army's 45th Infantry division was the Swastika, and Hitler's private train was named "Amerika." All three were soon changed for PR purposes.

4. More US servicemen died in the Air Corps than the Marine Corps. While completing the required 30 missions your chance of being killed was 71%.

5. Generally speaking there was no such thing as an average fighter pilot. You were either an ace or a target. For instance Japanese ace Hiroyoshi Nishizawa shot down over 80 planes. He died while a passenger on a cargo plane.

6. It was a common practice on fighter planes to load every 5th round with a tracer round to aid in aiming. This was a mistake. Tracers had different ballistics so (at long range) if your tracers were hitting the target 80% of your rounds were missing. Worse yet tracers instantly told your enemy he was under fire and from which direction. Worst of all was the practice of loading a string of tracers at the end of the belt to tell you that you were out of ammo. This was definitely not mething you wanted to tell the enemy. Units that stopped using tracers saw their success rate nearly double and their loss rate go down.

YOU'VE GOT TO LOVE THIS ONE....

7. When allied armies reached the Rhine the first thing men did was pee in it. This was pretty universal from the lowest private to Winston Churchill (who made a big show of it) and Gen. Patton (who had himself photographed in the act).

8. German Me-264 bombers were capable of bombing New York City but it wasn't worth the effort.

9. German submarine U-120 was sunk by a malfunctioning toilet.

10. Among the first "Germans" captured at Normandy were several Koreans. They had been forced to fight for the Japanese Army until they were captured by the Russians and forced to fight for the Russian Army until they were captured by the Germans and forced to fight for the German Army until they were captured by the US Army.

AND I SAVED THE BEST FOR LAST....

11. Following a massive naval bombardment 35,000 US and Canadian troops stormed ashore at Kiska, in the Aleutian Islands. 21 troops were killed in the firefight.It would have been worse if there had been any Japanese on the island.




Voriax -> (8/6/2003 2:28:40 AM)

1. I'd like to know more about this..while it's possible or even likely that some of the american volunteers who joined Finnish Army saw combat and died but the phrase 'american serviceman' suggests member of the US army... Perhaps an embassy worker who died during a bombing raid?

8.
Only one Me 264 prototype was built and it achieved total of 22 minutes flight time (edit: first flight of course)...it was destroyed in 1944 I think when the aircraft factory was bombed...and this proto was never equipped for military use.

Voriax




dwayne -> (8/6/2003 3:39:27 AM)

Some of those information are pretty good, especialy nr. 9,10,11.
But I am not sure if I can belive all this :)




Vathailos -> Disclaimer (8/6/2003 4:02:11 AM)

I, in no way, endorse or vouch for the validity of the above information. Hence the "spam" label. ;)

I think it's a hoot, but I agree it's suspect at best.

Thanks for playing :D




Belisarius -> (8/6/2003 4:44:57 AM)

Heheh some good ones. :D

I've seen #6 at other sources too. Which, ofcourse, in no way guarantees their reliability. :p




odog1999 -> (8/6/2003 5:57:01 AM)

I've seen #10 cited in several books... One went on to say they might have gone back to Korea and fought for or against the US in 1950...

#12 The first German POW's at Utah were a group of drunk officers who drove their staff car into the door of an LCT




Bernie -> (8/7/2003 11:14:39 PM)

I remember as a kid an uncle (who had served in the PTO) telling me about the Baatan Death March, and that by act of Congress survivors of the march could never be reduced in rank, except by another act of Congress. Can anyone confirm this?




chief -> "WELL DESERVED" (8/8/2003 2:05:52 AM)

Bernie:
I had some shipmates that were captured at Baatan as seaman and they were promoted as they would have been had they been on duty. They recieved all back pay and allowances and promotions when released. All POWs were supposed to be promoted in that manner. Just recently (less than 1 week ago) Congress insisted that former POWs of WW2, their surviving spouses or family were to recieve all back pay and allowances (at WW2 rates) for this. It seems like the USMC ignored this particular law and it took a gentle reminder from Congress to get on the ball. There was more to the article and I am not 100% certain as to its content. (my disclaimer). HTH




Bernie -> (8/8/2003 4:33:54 AM)

Thanks for the reply chief, but it wasn't quite what I was looking for. The way my uncle told it, it would take an act of Congress to "bust" a survivor to a lower rank from that point onward. They could be reprimanded, jailed, or discharged for any UCMJ violations, but could never be knocked down a pay grade. That's what I'm looking to confirm or deny.




chief -> (8/8/2003 12:03:22 PM)

Bernie: That's a new one on me. But in the same vein, an American Indian cannot be sentenced by Courts Martial if its not approved by Bureau of Indian Affairs...how about that?;) :confused:




Karnaaj -> (8/9/2003 1:26:08 PM)

I seem to recall seeing most of this info (but not all of it) in DIRTY LITLE SECRETS OF WORLD WAR II, by Jim Dunnigan. Can't remember exactly where I saw the Finnish bit, but it was either there or Norway... think it was an "advisor" or some such, might've been a military attache. Dunno about Me264s, but DLS did note that a Focke-Wulf "Kondor" (FW200) did a recon overflight of New York City.




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