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andyinkuwait -> Private Scavenging Community Problem (8/31/2020 4:59:40 PM)

My Level 1 Scavenging Community produces 15 Public Oil. I have a Governor relation bonus of +16% which affects production

How is the production 21 Fuel?

Same problem with Metals. It produces 40 Metals but production is 58.

Am I missing some other % increase ?



HansLemurson -> RE: Private Scavenging Community Problem (8/31/2020 6:16:14 PM)

I think it should also be affected by the Governor's Mining bonus. Hover the mouse over the Scavenging Community and you should get a tooltip showing the factors affecting production.

Keep in mind that all bonuses are multiplicative, not additive. It's not noticeable when the bonuses are small, but you'll quickly see later that two +40% bonuses do not combine to +80%, but rather 1.40*1.40 = 1.98, a +98% bonus.



andyinkuwait -> RE: Private Scavenging Community Problem (8/31/2020 8:15:14 PM)

Nope, it only mentions the 16% production bonus in both metals and oil. No mention of any other bonus.

So I'm looking for a non obvious extra 21% or so



Kalkkis -> RE: Private Scavenging Community Problem (8/31/2020 9:24:44 PM)

Could be from relation with the governor, or that commerce feat that gives bonus to private production.

Edit: I mean, relation from the governor was what you started with, my brain was thinking of governor skill bonus mentioned earlier in the thread. It's scavenging in this case I believe, and prospecting for mines. Anyway there was also a cult that gives private bonus points, can't remember which from the top of my head. And it's not the feat since it's exactly +40%.



HansLemurson -> RE: Private Scavenging Community Problem (9/1/2020 3:10:24 AM)

Maybe it's being modified by the extraction difficulty?



andyinkuwait -> RE: Private Scavenging Community Problem (9/1/2020 3:43:32 AM)

If it helps, this is game start on the first turn.



andyinkuwait -> RE: Private Scavenging Community Problem (9/1/2020 4:12:23 AM)

So I got rid of the governor just to see the effect.

Tooltip reports 40 Metal production modified by 50% for absence of governor. Actual production is 25 Metal

Tooltip reports 15 Oil production modified by 50% for absence of governor. Actual production is 9 Fuel

Any ideas?





Kalkkis -> RE: Private Scavenging Community Problem (9/1/2020 2:29:54 PM)

The cult that gives private bonus points is Mystic Temple. Do you have that?



andyinkuwait -> RE: Private Scavenging Community Problem (9/1/2020 5:04:50 PM)

Yes but that says +1% Public Prod Penalty so not really covering it

Followers constitute 13% of the 72.2k population.

Could it be something to do with this?

Also noticed the Governor's Scavenging skill is 11 so maybe another 11%

All of this (16% relation, 11% Scavenging and 1% Temple) comes to 30% so nearly there but not quite (needs to reach 45% for metals and 40% for fuel).

Are oil and fuel the same thing?

On second thoughts it can't be to do with the governor as when I get rid of the governor I still have an increase in expected public production.

So, ignoring the governor, I am getting a 25% increase in metals and a 20% increase in fuel/oil. Don't know why these should be different or why the bonus exists at all. Will it remain in later turns?



andyinkuwait -> RE: Private Scavenging Community Problem (9/1/2020 6:49:29 PM)

Asset is next to a Ruins hex so I can see that there would be a +25% increase in scavenged items due to Rich Scavenging Area Rule but why only +20% for the fuel?

Actually calculating the extra 1.25 factor does reasonably account for everything.

So solved at last !!



HansLemurson -> RE: Private Scavenging Community Problem (9/1/2020 10:52:18 PM)

I see! Glad you figured it out, I hadn't known about this.

Section 5.5.2.4 in the manual, for those who are curious.



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