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scondon87 -> RE: Spanking Lowpe (NJP72 vs Lowpe (A)) (8/9/2021 5:56:52 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Lowpe Any of you AFBs ever buy out the 13th Armored Divsions? IIRC, 13th Armored is permanent restricted.

RangerJoe -> RE: Spanking Lowpe (NJP72 vs Lowpe (A)) (8/9/2021 6:12:36 PM)
The 13th Armored Division can NOT be bought out. It is training for Europe. Now if the Japanese invade the West Coast, you can use it for defense but even then you can't buy it out.

Lowpe -> RE: Spanking Lowpe (NJP72 vs Lowpe (A)) (8/9/2021 7:35:31 PM)
I feared as much. If I recall you get an Armored Division and a Canadian Armored Division if the IJ invade the West Coast...otherwise no joy. Ah well. I am going to go ahead and be overly ambitious...even if I lack shipping, Japan will be in worse shape to counter a pre1943 invasion...I think.[;)]

Lowpe -> RE: Spanking Lowpe (NJP72 vs Lowpe (A)) (8/9/2021 7:40:04 PM)
Victory point tally according to Tracker from Japanese high to current turn.... Of course Luzon will fall, Singers, and most of China....but we should be taking back bases too. [image]local://upfiles/44178/8B7712E7ADA24347B7F973F81C89B888.jpg[/image]

Lowpe -> RE: Spanking Lowpe (NJP72 vs Lowpe (A)) (8/10/2021 1:31:12 AM)
Finished the turn off...nothing very exciting today. Setting prep, moving forces, etc, etc. More planes flying in supplies to China. We are gearing up for the Baker Island to Tabby operations with a wholesale pivot of our light cruiser SAGs from Australia...they are below New Zealand now for the most part and headed east. Lots of shipping leaving Cape Town for Balboa will be in time for the Marcus Operations. Beefed up our ASW a bit. Japan now has good recon on Lashio...I suspect a renewed thrust there.

Lowpe -> RE: Spanking Lowpe (NJP72 vs Lowpe (A)) (8/10/2021 11:46:40 AM)
June 11, 1942 If you can predict movement and already be in position, well then you can make quite nasty surprises....but you have to hit. [image]local://upfiles/44178/8BD867ADE1284853A98CB4F0286E6C20.jpg[/image]

Lowpe -> RE: Spanking Lowpe (NJP72 vs Lowpe (A)) (8/10/2021 11:58:04 AM)
Another attack on the Ankang road. IJ tanks super tough when supplies are gone. [image]local://upfiles/44178/F286E406137444C58536E7DFD52326B8.jpg[/image]

Lowpe -> RE: Spanking Lowpe (NJP72 vs Lowpe (A)) (8/10/2021 11:58:48 AM)
Probing attack over by Tuyun...need supplies badly almost everywhere in China. [image]local://upfiles/44178/AAA7EF8D0BC94D6A8BF85BE1A48F3B40.jpg[/image]

RangerJoe -> RE: Spanking Lowpe (NJP72 vs Lowpe (A)) (8/10/2021 12:03:21 PM)
Maybe airlift even a few supplies to where they are needed. That might help the defense a little bit even if the top unit gets all of the supplies.

Lowpe -> RE: Spanking Lowpe (NJP72 vs Lowpe (A)) (8/10/2021 1:32:23 PM)
I have toyed with that, and I think I am better off using all the planes to bring supplies in as deep in China as they can and still be in normal range. You can't pick and choose who gets the supplies. Armor definitely is prioritized...but from this turn you can see ART is not getting any...while the flush 9th is gobbling it up. [image]local://upfiles/44178/6DB36A608B8C43A5AFA5FA64F713E332.jpg[/image] This day we air transported in 327 supplies to China.

Capt. Harlock -> RE: Spanking Lowpe (NJP72 vs Lowpe (A)) (8/11/2021 4:57:33 AM)
quote: You can't pick and choose who gets the supplies. Armor definitely is prioritized...but from this turn you can see ART is not getting any...while the flush 9th is gobbling it up. Given the corruption in Chiang Kai-shek's China, I guess that's actually realistic!

GetAssista -> RE: Spanking Lowpe (NJP72 vs Lowpe (A)) (8/11/2021 10:47:18 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Capt. Harlock quote: You can't pick and choose who gets the supplies. Armor definitely is prioritized...but from this turn you can see ART is not getting any...while the flush 9th is gobbling it up. Given the corruption in Chiang Kai-shek's China, I guess that's actually realistic! Spot on [:D] Red Army is getting shafted yet again while KMT gobbles up everything. But then US had dealings mostly with KMT. On a serious note, I believe supply distribution is rather random. I have some experience with tracking how a whole starving UK/Indian army fares in a multy-month siege with supply trickling in now and then from spawning units, and did not catch any obvious patterns there.

Lowpe -> RE: Spanking Lowpe (NJP72 vs Lowpe (A)) (8/11/2021 12:00:33 PM)
June 12, 1942 On the Ankang road the Japanese get a 1-1 and inflict nasty damage with their tank spearhead. Probably hold only one more day. Ground combat at 82,43 (near Ankang) Japanese Deliberate attack Attacking force 33503 troops, 216 guns, 488 vehicles, Assault Value = 1036 Defending force 24324 troops, 49 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 552 Japanese adjusted assault: 705 Allied adjusted defense: 433 Japanese assault odds: 1 to 1 Combat modifiers Defender: terrain(+), supply(-) Attacker: Japanese ground losses: 652 casualties reported Squads: 6 destroyed, 74 disabled Non Combat: 1 destroyed, 19 disabled Engineers: 0 destroyed, 3 disabled Guns lost 6 (1 destroyed, 5 disabled) Vehicles lost 68 (2 destroyed, 66 disabled) Allied ground losses: 1272 casualties reported Squads: 6 destroyed, 260 disabled Non Combat: 1 destroyed, 13 disabled Engineers: 0 destroyed, 8 disabled Assaulting units: 10th Tank Regiment 110th Division 3rd Ind.Mixed Brigade 3rd Tank Regiment 12th Tank Regiment 9th Tank Regiment 23rd Tank Regiment 8th Ind.Mixed Brigade 13th Tank Regiment 9th Ind.Mixed Brigade 15th Tank Regiment 11th Tank Regiment Defending units: 92nd Chinese Corps 47th Chinese Corps 67th Chinese Corps 3rd Prov Chinese Corps While over at Luzon, Clark holds well but supplies have dwindled. I am thinking of retreating to Bataan, to extend the defense by avoiding the retreating carnage damage rolls. Experience is decent, but I am not sure how the morale will hold up with no supplies... Ground combat at Clark Field (79,76) Japanese Deliberate attack Attacking force 24284 troops, 438 guns, 608 vehicles, Assault Value = 754 Defending force 31084 troops, 361 guns, 201 vehicles, Assault Value = 884 Japanese adjusted assault: 215 Allied adjusted defense: 919 Japanese assault odds: 1 to 4 (fort level 0) Combat modifiers Defender: terrain(+), leaders(+), supply(-) Attacker: Japanese ground losses: 825 casualties reported Squads: 3 destroyed, 119 disabled Non Combat: 3 destroyed, 9 disabled Engineers: 0 destroyed, 12 disabled Vehicles lost 11 (3 destroyed, 8 disabled) Allied ground losses: 682 casualties reported Squads: 4 destroyed, 49 disabled Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 13 disabled Engineers: 0 destroyed, 2 disabled Guns lost 13 (4 destroyed, 9 disabled) Vehicles lost 4 (1 destroyed, 3 disabled) Assaulting units: 9th Division 7th Ind.Tank Brigade Guards Tank Division 20th Ind. Mtn Gun Battalion 9th Ind.Hvy.Art. Battalion 14th Ind.Art.Mortar Battalion 10th Ind. Mountain Gun Regiment 2nd Mortar Battalion 2nd Ind.Art.Mortar Battalion 1st Hvy.Artillery Regiment 8th Medium Field Artillery Regiment 3rd Ind.Hvy.Art. Battalion 15th Ind.Art.Mortar Battalion 2nd Ind.Hvy.Art. Battalion 21st Army Defending units: 31st PA Infantry Division 21st PA Infantry Division 57th PS Infantry Regimental Combat Team 26th PS Cavalry Regiment 11th PA Infantry Division 31st Infantry Regiment 4th Marine Regiment 2nd PA Constabulary Division 88th PS Field Artillery Regiment Far East USAAF Clark Field AAF Base Force I Philippine Corps Provisional GMC Grp 301st PA Field Artillery Regiment [image]local://upfiles/44178/3548E5578D184625BAD0FF3507D6C3BB.jpg[/image]

Lowpe -> RE: Spanking Lowpe (NJP72 vs Lowpe (A)) (8/11/2021 12:01:09 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Capt. Harlock quote: You can't pick and choose who gets the supplies. Armor definitely is prioritized...but from this turn you can see ART is not getting any...while the flush 9th is gobbling it up. Given the corruption in Chiang Kai-shek's China, I guess that's actually realistic! Very nice![:)]

Lowpe -> RE: Spanking Lowpe (NJP72 vs Lowpe (A)) (8/11/2021 12:04:05 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: GetAssista quote: ORIGINAL: Capt. Harlock quote: You can't pick and choose who gets the supplies. Armor definitely is prioritized...but from this turn you can see ART is not getting any...while the flush 9th is gobbling it up. Given the corruption in Chiang Kai-shek's China, I guess that's actually realistic! Spot on [:D] Red Army is getting shafted yet again while KMT gobbles up everything. But then US had dealings mostly with KMT. On a serious note, I believe supply distribution is rather random. I have some experience with tracking how a whole starving UK/Indian army fares in a multy-month siege with supply trickling in now and then from spawning units, and did not catch any obvious patterns there. Not random, unit number order it seems... [image]local://upfiles/44178/A19824D4C1D44584BB75D02BDE16A225.jpg[/image]

Lowpe -> RE: Spanking Lowpe (NJP72 vs Lowpe (A)) (8/11/2021 12:33:40 PM)
Shore party, if I recall correctly help load and unload most items at ports but add no ship repair capability. Correct? I have two of these amphib tractor units at Christmas...I think they are hard at work. I am thinking of using them to help load and unload troops on atolls for the coming operations. [image]local://upfiles/44178/257F72D406C248EB84217557EF455E11.jpg[/image]

RangerJoe -> RE: Spanking Lowpe (NJP72 vs Lowpe (A)) (8/11/2021 12:53:21 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Lowpe Shore party, if I recall correctly help load and unload most items at ports but add no ship repair capability. Correct? I have two of these amphib tractor units at Christmas...I think they are hard at work. I am thinking of using them to help load and unload troops on atolls for the coming operations. [image]local://upfiles/44178/257F72D406C248EB84217557EF455E11.jpg[/image] The US had up to six US Marine battalions of black marines to do that work, if I remember correctly. They were given minimal combat training compared to other marines but also were used in combat when needed - they were quite effective.

Lowpe -> RE: Spanking Lowpe (NJP72 vs Lowpe (A)) (8/11/2021 2:08:01 PM)
Found it. Much of this loss is made up by "Shore Party" designated squads and units that support load/unload but will not support repair or rearm. This was done purposely to limit the number of Bases that could be fitted out for Fleet Support by limiting the number of units having NavSup squads with these capabilities. Didn't recall the rearm bit.[;)]

witpqs -> RE: Spanking Lowpe (NJP72 vs Lowpe (A)) (8/11/2021 2:52:23 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Capt. Harlock quote: You can't pick and choose who gets the supplies. Armor definitely is prioritized...but from this turn you can see ART is not getting any...while the flush 9th is gobbling it up. Given the corruption in Chiang Kai-shek's China, I guess that's actually realistic! Listed to a roundtable discussion of historians about Stilwell. It seems much of the hype about corruption and incompetence in Chiang's areas was propaganda from Stilwell, and later from the communists. Regarding Stilwell's own performance, he was known within the US Army as the 'the highest ranking company commander in the army'.

Lowpe -> RE: Spanking Lowpe (NJP72 vs Lowpe (A)) (8/11/2021 3:13:07 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: witpqs quote: ORIGINAL: Capt. Harlock quote: You can't pick and choose who gets the supplies. Armor definitely is prioritized...but from this turn you can see ART is not getting any...while the flush 9th is gobbling it up. Given the corruption in Chiang Kai-shek's China, I guess that's actually realistic! Listed to a roundtable discussion of historians about Stilwell. It seems much of the hype about corruption and incompetence in Chiang's areas was propaganda from Stilwell, and later from the communists. Regarding Stilwell's own performance, he was known within the US Army as the 'the highest ranking company commander in the army'. Have your read Barbara Tuchman's book on Stillwell?

Encircled -> RE: Spanking Lowpe (NJP72 vs Lowpe (A)) (8/11/2021 4:20:10 PM)
"Hirohito's War" is scathing about Stillwell and very favourable to the Nationalist Chinese I did wonder how the Chinese managed to fight Japan for so long if they were as incompetent and as corrupt as claimed

witpqs -> RE: Spanking Lowpe (NJP72 vs Lowpe (A)) (8/11/2021 5:07:39 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Lowpe quote: ORIGINAL: witpqs quote: ORIGINAL: Capt. Harlock quote: You can't pick and choose who gets the supplies. Armor definitely is prioritized...but from this turn you can see ART is not getting any...while the flush 9th is gobbling it up. Given the corruption in Chiang Kai-shek's China, I guess that's actually realistic! Listed to a roundtable discussion of historians about Stilwell. It seems much of the hype about corruption and incompetence in Chiang's areas was propaganda from Stilwell, and later from the communists. Regarding Stilwell's own performance, he was known within the US Army as the 'the highest ranking company commander in the army'. Have your read Barbara Tuchman's book on Stillwell? No. If you have, your thoughts about it? I've got quite a long pending list, is it worth adding?

JohnDillworth -> RE: Spanking Lowpe (NJP72 vs Lowpe (A)) (8/11/2021 5:11:15 PM)
I have, Stilwell and the American Experience in China: 1911-1945 is an outstanding book and we are blessed that is was written by an author of Barbara Tuchmans caliber. Hard to digest a complex station and a complex man but the corruption was real. It was ingrained, it was cultural and it was universal. Long negotiaions and complex deals had to be made before the Chinese would fight. They often fought well, sometimes they packed up and left, but they certainly were not following Stilwells orders. Anything he accomplished he accomplished thought deep cultural understanding and negotiation. It was complex situation to say the least and like evey other theater in the war nobody thought they were getting the supplies or attention they should. On a related note and this is certainly not covered in the book. Flash forward to 1944. When Japan launched is largest offensive of the war, Operation Ichi-Go, the communists sat on the sidelines while the Nationalist Army bore the full brunt of stopping the offensive. This weakened the Nationalist Army to the point that the communists won the civil war. Had the Japanese not launched that offensive, or if the communists fully participated in the defense, the world might look different today. A fabulous "what if" , I'll admit, but fascinating to contemplate.

Lowpe -> RE: Spanking Lowpe (NJP72 vs Lowpe (A)) (8/11/2021 5:46:25 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: witpqs No. If you have, your thoughts about it? I've got quite a long pending list, is it worth adding? Yes, it is definitely worth adding. Stillwell was in an impossible situation with culture, factions (so many of them), and logistics all against him. To say he did poorly is I think to not understand the theatre. I think the posting only had degrees of failure possible.

JohnDillworth -> RE: Spanking Lowpe (NJP72 vs Lowpe (A)) (8/11/2021 6:11:12 PM)
What we would call corruption might be what other cultures would call "business norms". As you say, so many factions with so many different loyalties. It's hard enough today setting aside our Judeo-Christian/democratic/western values to consider the way things are done in foreign cultures. It must have been almost impossible in the 1940's. In this respect Stilwell better suited to the job than almost anyone else. He understood the culture and tried, sometimes successfully, to work within it.

Lowpe -> RE: Spanking Lowpe (NJP72 vs Lowpe (A)) (8/13/2021 12:18:28 PM)
June 13, 1942 Japan shock attacks and sends our forces back to Ankang...normal action....the usual IJ bombing of Clark, Singers, Chinese. Ground combat at 82,43 (near Ankang) Japanese Shock attack Attacking force 32322 troops, 215 guns, 421 vehicles, Assault Value = 916 Defending force 22788 troops, 49 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 369 Japanese adjusted assault: 1178 Allied adjusted defense: 310 Japanese assault odds: 3 to 1 Combat modifiers Defender: terrain(+), experience(-), supply(-) Attacker: shock(+) Japanese ground losses: 1403 casualties reported Squads: 1 destroyed, 135 disabled Non Combat: 1 destroyed, 18 disabled Engineers: 0 destroyed, 5 disabled Vehicles lost 39 (1 destroyed, 38 disabled) Allied ground losses: 8752 casualties reported Squads: 274 destroyed, 3 disabled Non Combat: 240 destroyed, 38 disabled Engineers: 13 destroyed, 1 disabled Guns lost 6 (6 destroyed, 0 disabled) Units retreated 4 [image]local://upfiles/44178/08CF22247D36430389069D80A0F01A35.jpg[/image]

Lowpe -> RE: Spanking Lowpe (NJP72 vs Lowpe (A)) (8/13/2021 12:23:15 PM)
Convoy spotted east of Tarawa...Tsuta is a really weak IJN destroyer I believe. Destroying her is a priority of course, as nothing destroys the IJN more than loss of destroyers thru to mid 44. Of course one lone destroyer doesn't carry nearly enough ASW ammunition to make a delivery to Baker Island.[;)] Sub attack near Tarawa at 137,128 Japanese Ships DD Tsuta xAK Azuchisan Maru xAK Ohio Maru xAK Marei Maru xAK Akiura Maru Allied Ships SS Halibut SS Halibut launches 2 torpedoes at DD Tsuta Halibut diving deep .... DD Tsuta attacking submerged sub .... DD Tsuta fails to find sub, continues to search... DD Tsuta fails to find sub, continues to search... DD Tsuta fails to find sub, continues to search... DD Tsuta fails to find sub, continues to search... Escort abandons search for sub [image]local://upfiles/44178/D192BD8E2AFE4C03974CA8D17771638F.jpg[/image]

Lowpe -> RE: Spanking Lowpe (NJP72 vs Lowpe (A)) (8/13/2021 2:09:51 PM)
Low night time experience is the only thing holding me back from using my squadron of Atlantas' as a raiding force, but the appearance of a merchant convoy...headed to Baker or Canton might cause me to test my hypothesis. [image]local://upfiles/44178/F51C6398B5EE434EB927F92DDC1A7EC2.jpg[/image]

Lowpe -> RE: Spanking Lowpe (NJP72 vs Lowpe (A)) (8/13/2021 2:38:44 PM)
Search arcs are always something of a mystery to me. I seem to always have better success with no arcs...but they do work past four hexes. I have had great success in turning off all search except for very tight arcs and coordinating long range air strikes as Japan for example. However, how they work in the 4 hex and less area is unknown to me. Sure, you get some coverage automatically, but is it enhanced search over the arc? Or is it the same chance for all four hexes 360 degrees? Don't know. Plus a plane has a chance of stopping their search when they encounter the enemy...so multiple search is always good. When in doubt I always assume the game follows some common sense or real world path....so: Here I have setup an easy search pattern with a perm restricted squadron and a small ASW task force. I plan on looking in on them once in a blue moon or less...mostly for operating damage to the ships. YP ships work very well for this, and a couple of months ago I detailed some coverage of them along the West Coast. [image]local://upfiles/44178/29DFEBD048364C569DD22CAFC691B0CD.jpg[/image] As Japan, I would either park an Iboat in the target hex, or if motivated set up a patrol with two points about 2-4 hexes apart depending upon DL. Or use them for other jobs...

Lowpe -> RE: Spanking Lowpe (NJP72 vs Lowpe (A)) (8/13/2021 3:07:29 PM)
No time to spare on getting this ship withdrawn. [;)] I really like using Mombasa, and this is simply another reason why. [image]local://upfiles/44178/8F1F6CD3987545639309EB172C4E0BF0.jpg[/image]

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