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MJY -> Axis Supply in Britain? (9/30/2020 1:04:16 AM)

Hey all,

I am the Axis player and have conquered most of Britain south of Scotland. I cannot remember the last time I invaded Britain with the Axis (it was probably the "Weapons and Warfare" version back in the day) and so I have some questions related to Axis supply in Britain.

Until two turns ago, only one of the British cities or towns I had captured (Bristol) had "regrown" to level 5 supply. No matter how long they were occupied by the Axis, all the other cities in Britain only regrew to level 3 supply -- although my captured ports have risen to level 5 supply (except where attacked by the Royal Navy).

Over the previous two turns, I captured both London and Manchester and suddenly all my captured cities (including Bristol) are now at level 3 supply.

What's going on? Why was only one city (Bristol) able to reach level 5 supply and why did it suddenly lose that status? (By the way, British partisans are definitely not a factor as all the British partisan locations have continuously had Axis units in place.)

MJY



The Land -> RE: Axis Supply in Britain? (9/30/2020 2:49:49 PM)


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ORIGINAL: MJY

Hey all,

I am the Axis player and have conquered most of Britain south of Scotland. I cannot remember the last time I invaded Britain with the Axis (it was probably the "Weapons and Warfare" version back in the day) and so I have some questions related to Axis supply in Britain.

Until two turns ago, only one of the British cities or towns I had captured (Bristol) had "regrown" to level 5 supply. No matter how long they were occupied by the Axis, all the other cities in Britain only regrew to level 3 supply -- although my captured ports have risen to level 5 supply (except where attacked by the Royal Navy).

Over the previous two turns, I captured both London and Manchester and suddenly all my captured cities (including Bristol) are now at level 3 supply.

What's going on? Why was only one city (Bristol) able to reach level 5 supply and why did it suddenly lose that status? (By the way, British partisans are definitely not a factor as all the British partisan locations have continuously had Axis units in place.)

MJY


So the towns and cities should be 3, as they have no land route to trace to a friendly supply centre. The ports should be 5, for the same reason. This is following the rules as set out in the manual - though it's always struck me as harsh on Germany (and on equivalent amphibious invasions...) - surely if there is a good port then the cities should go up to 5 as well?

Bristol going up to 5 would be odd, are you sure you weren't mistaking the fact that Bristol's hex will have supply 5 from the adjacent port, for Bristol itself being at 5?



MJY -> RE: Axis Supply in Britain? (9/30/2020 3:05:33 PM)

The Land,

Yes, 100% certain the city itself was at 5 points for maybe two or three turns.

I do check the "show supply" feature on a very frequent basis (e.g., almost literally every turn when fighting in Russia), but in this case I was also toggling the hide/show units feature to get a clear view of the hex/city itself and how fast it was rebuilding (something I also do all the time). It clearly showed Bristol at 5 points. And this was the situation (as indicated above) for more than one turn until it suddenly flipped.

Moreover, it definitely couldn't have been the port providing enhanced supply. While the city was rebuilding, the adjacent port was being reduced by RN bombardments and was still lower than 5 points while the city itself was (temporarily) at 5 points.

MJY



Hubert Cater -> RE: Axis Supply in Britain? (10/1/2020 3:20:00 PM)

Hi MJY,

Do you happen to have an earlier save from when Bristol was at strength 5 so I could take a look? Perhaps Bristol was at 3 but as the Land mentions, under the supply map showing 5 (via the S key) if the neighboring port was at 5 as the supply a port extends to land starts at 5 from the first land hex adjacent to the port etc.

Either way with a saved turn could help me better explain it based on what I could see from it.

Hubert



MJY -> RE: Axis Supply in Britain? (10/1/2020 3:32:55 PM)

Hubert,

Unfortunately, no.

I check supply, city rebuilds, etc. all the time somewhere on the map (as both the Axis or Allies) and so am very familiar with the displays. In this case, I was paying particular attention to this corner of the map when this occurred (as it was a key battlefield) and am 100% certain it was the city itself that was up to 5 points. I noticed both the city and the impact it had on a nearby heavily-damaged HQ that I was trying to rebuild.

MJY



Hubert Cater -> RE: Axis Supply in Britain? (10/1/2020 11:54:16 PM)

Ok, thanks for letting me know and if it ever happens again please don't hesitate to send me a saved turn at support@furysoftware.com




MJY -> RE: Axis Supply in Britain? (10/4/2020 4:26:45 PM)

Hubert,

The Axis supply oddities in Britain continue.

The Germans now have three full-strength HQs in Britain. Two are sitting directly on cities (Leeds and Sheffield) that are at 3 strength points while the third is sitting directly on a town (Cambridge) that is also at 3 strength points.

Strangely, these three HQs are generating different levels of supply. The one in Leeds is generating level 8 supply while the two others (including the HQ located in Sheffield) are only generating level 6 supply.

I tried to include some screenshots, but unfortunately the files are too large. Alternatively, I can e-mail them as attachments if you would like. In the meantime, I will not start my turn in case you want to look at the file. The game in question is between myself (MJY) and thekman and we are at the September 13, 1942 turn. I will not progress on the turn today in case you want to have a look at the file.

MJY




The Land -> RE: Axis Supply in Britain? (10/4/2020 6:56:57 PM)

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ORIGINAL: MJY


Strangely, these three HQs are generating different levels of supply. The one in Leeds is generating level 8 supply while the two others (including the HQ located in Sheffield) are only generating level 6 supply.


This is a relatively simple one - the Sheffield HQ is providing a supply boost to Leeds, so Leeds has supply 8.



MJY -> RE: Axis Supply in Britain? (10/4/2020 9:28:39 PM)

The Land,

Thanks for your response, but that only opens additional questions:

(i) What determines why HQ "A" raises HQ "B" and not the other way around?

(ii) Does that mean that one HQ could raise the maximum supply of multiple adjacent HQs?

(iii) And perhaps most confusingly, how does one HQ raise the maximum supply of another HQ to a level that is higher than it's own maximum supply level? To say the least, that seems counter-intuitive.

MJY



Sugar -> RE: Axis Supply in Britain? (10/4/2020 11:03:37 PM)

1. It depends on the rating of the HQs (including xp), the higher rated HQ gets the boost
2. No, only 1 HQ is the source and one other gets the boost; to boost more HQs you`re gonna need more source HQs
3. That`s called HQ-Chaining and was implemented years ago.

The only way to track down these informations is to read all the different patch notes, as the manual wasn`t following.

These supply rules are not only counter-intuitive, but confusing and over-complicated, especially for new players and considering the different rules applying to aircraft.



thekman -> RE: Axis Supply in Britain? (10/5/2020 12:59:37 AM)

I see a similar thing happening in Sicily. I took it many turns ago and all the cities except Palermo are at level 3. Palermo is at 5. Even Syracuse is at 3 (next to the other port.) This is the same game Vs MJY. But I noticed this 3 or 4 games ago (forget what version) where I had invaded Italy, and the city of Syracuse would not go above 3, so my traction in that game was tough. I just assumed this was changed with some upgrade a while back.



The Land -> RE: Axis Supply in Britain? (10/5/2020 2:33:14 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Sugar

1. It depends on the rating of the HQs (including xp), the higher rated HQ gets the boost



That I didn't know!!



Sugar -> RE: Axis Supply in Britain? (10/5/2020 4:30:51 PM)

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That I didn't know!!


I`ll take that as a thx, seems to get rather uncommon these days. [:D]

In addition: half a point of xp equals 1 point of rating, this way an Axis minor HQ at rating 5 with 3 points of xp rates better than Schukow without any xp.



Hubert Cater -> RE: Axis Supply in Britain? (10/5/2020 8:33:38 PM)

Hi MJY,

I've taken a closer look and it looks like Bristol is a Secondary Supply source. This then results in the Axis inheriting this secondary supply source when they are conquering the UK and the reason why Bristol remained at the higher 5 supply as you had noticed.

However, there also looks to be a bug (I'll have to double check) for when the capital in the UK moves, Bristol then was incorrectly de-listed as a secondary supply source and thus the drop to 3. I'll look into this and correct this for the next update.

Hubert



Hubert Cater -> RE: Axis Supply in Britain? (10/5/2020 8:35:20 PM)

Hi thekman,

Similar situation with Palermo, since it is listed as a primary source, but occupied by your Allied forces, it will maintain that supply value of 5 that you noticed which is a bit higher than the surrounding resources.

Hubert




MJY -> RE: Axis Supply in Britain? (10/6/2020 9:41:48 PM)

Hubert,

Yeah, I think that must be the case. The supply situation with respect to Bristol changed the turn after the British capital switched from Manchester to Edinburgh. My map is currently NOT showing any "secondary" supply sources in occupied Britain.

Thanks for the update.

MJY



Hubert Cater -> RE: Axis Supply in Britain? (10/7/2020 12:52:30 PM)

Thanks for the follow up and I can confirm that this is now fixed on my end for the next update.



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