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mind_messing -> RE: Against all odds - szmike (J) vs DesertFox101 (A) (10/23/2020 3:46:40 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: szmike Thank you for the summary. I definitely need to be more strict when it comes to air operations. I've already checked all commanders (including air HQs) and I monitor fatigue/morale on daily basis. That's a good start! Being systematic about air operations helps a lot (much as it does in breaking down enemy air defence in real life too!). quote: What do people think of splitting KB? It is somewhat tempting, but I tend to think it is bad proposition if Allied carriers are alive and kicking somewhere and will probably appear in force soon. I kind of expect at least one of them in DEI, so reinforcing CVLs with Kaga could work better in such case. On the other hand I'm going to push Rabaul/PM and KB here would likely prevent much of Allied interference. Then 3 CVs vs 5 is a fight Allied might go for. I'm very much against this practice, though it does have its strengths. My objection is based around that it invites defeat in detail. There's also the wider strategic implications of the Allied player knowing the IJ player has divided his KB. Of less importance is the tactical aspects of IJ carrier combat - IJN CV-type ships (especially the CVL/CVEs) are really quite fragile due to the poorer IJN damage control. A combined KB will have a stronger defensive CAP and therefore reduce the chance of battle damage compared to independent operations.

Q-Ball -> RE: Against all odds - szmike (J) vs DesertFox101 (A) (10/23/2020 10:11:28 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: szmike What do people think of splitting KB? It is somewhat tempting, but I tend to think it is bad proposition if Allied carriers are alive and kicking somewhere and will probably appear in force soon. I kind of expect at least one of them in DEI, so reinforcing CVLs with Kaga could work better in such case. On the other hand I'm going to push Rabaul/PM and KB here would likely prevent much of Allied interference. Then 3 CVs vs 5 is a fight Allied might go for. I personally think splitting KB is the BEST strategy for Japan early. But only early. It can potentially allow you to cover SW Pac, as well as cover something else. It's Dec '41....he has 3 operational CVs at most (Lex, Ent, Sara) and Saratoga starts in San Diego, so it's going to take a bit to get anywhere useful. Those CVs are equipped with understrength air groups that include F2As and TBDs, planes that are near useless. A 3 on 3 fight with 3 KB CVs, I would take that in December '41 ANY TIME. That is a potential Allied disaster. A smart Allied player would steer clear of any piece of KB. Therefore, splitting KB in two, you're still going to have plenty of CV power to fight off anything the US has YORKTOWN appears in January, so by Feb 1 though you have to account for possibility of 4 CVs, and by the time he's got HORNET, you probably need to have everyone consolidated. But splitting now? No problem.

szmike -> RE: Against all odds - szmike (J) vs DesertFox101 (A) (10/24/2020 2:08:50 AM)
Thank you, good food for thought. December 17th-20th 1941 We finally capture Hongkong on 17th, we missed the day before by 21 modified AV due to bad roll. We caught couple previously damaged ships in Manilla port. We couldn't get a strike to launch for a week due to constant storms over there. quote: Morning Air attack on Manila , at 79,77 Weather in hex: Light rain Raid detected at 80 NM, estimated altitude 13,000 feet. Estimated time to target is 28 minutes Japanese aircraft A6M2 Zero x 45 G4M1 Betty x 25 Allied aircraft P-35A x 3 P-40B Warhawk x 6 Japanese aircraft losses A6M2 Zero: 1 destroyed Allied aircraft losses P-35A: 1 destroyed P-40B Warhawk: 1 destroyed Allied Ships AV Langley, Bomb hits 5, heavy fires, heavy damage SS Sculpin, Bomb hits 5, and is sunk DD Pope, Bomb hits 4, heavy fires, heavy damage ARD YFD-1 Dewey, Bomb hits 6, on fire AM Lark, Bomb hits 3, heavy fires, heavy damage ACM Colonel Harrison, Bomb hits 4, heavy fires, heavy damage AM Bittern, Bomb hits 1, heavy fires, heavy damage Port hits 11 Port fuel hits 3 Port supply hits 1 Aircraft Attacking: 25 x G4M1 Betty bombing from 8000 feet Port Attack: 2 x 250 kg SAP Bomb, 4 x 60 kg GP Bomb Mirri is constantly attacked, and it doesn't look good despite fighter cover. We are bringing AA here, should be deployed soon. And B-17E arrive too. quote: Afternoon Air attack on Miri , at 64,87 Weather in hex: Light rain Raid spotted at 19 NM, estimated altitude 7,000 feet. Estimated time to target is 5 minutes Japanese aircraft Ki-27b Nate x 6 Allied aircraft B-17D Fortress x 6 No Japanese losses Allied aircraft losses B-17D Fortress: 4 damaged Oil hits 6 Aircraft Attacking: 3 x B-17D Fortress bombing from 4000 feet City Attack: 8 x 500 lb GP Bomb 3 x B-17D Fortress bombing from 4000 feet City Attack: 8 x 500 lb GP Bomb -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Morning Air attack on Miri , at 64,87 Weather in hex: Partial cloud Raid spotted at 16 NM, estimated altitude 9,000 feet. Estimated time to target is 4 minutes Japanese aircraft A6M2 Zero x 8 Ki-27b Nate x 10 Allied aircraft B-17D Fortress x 3 B-17E Fortress x 14 Japanese aircraft losses A6M2 Zero: 1 destroyed Allied aircraft losses B-17D Fortress: 2 damaged B-17E Fortress: 2 damaged Oil hits 20 Aircraft Attacking: 4 x B-17E Fortress bombing from 4000 feet * City Attack: 4 x 500 lb GP Bomb 3 x B-17E Fortress bombing from 4000 feet * City Attack: 4 x 500 lb GP Bomb 4 x B-17E Fortress bombing from 4000 feet * City Attack: 4 x 500 lb GP Bomb 3 x B-17D Fortress bombing from 4000 feet City Attack: 8 x 500 lb GP Bomb 3 x B-17E Fortress bombing from 4000 feet * City Attack: 4 x 500 lb GP Bomb CAP engaged: 77th Sentai/C with Ki-27b Nate (2 airborne, 4 on standby, 4 scrambling) 2 plane(s) intercepting now. Group patrol altitude is 4000 Time for all group planes to reach interception is 22 minutes Yamada Det S-2 with A6M2 Zero (2 airborne, 4 on standby, 2 scrambling) 2 plane(s) intercepting now. Group patrol altitude is 7000 Time for all group planes to reach interception is 30 minutes -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Morning Air attack on Miri , at 64,87 Weather in hex: Partial cloud Raid spotted at 9 NM, estimated altitude 8,000 feet. Estimated time to target is 2 minutes Japanese aircraft A6M2 Zero x 3 Ki-27b Nate x 9 Allied aircraft B-17D Fortress x 3 B-17E Fortress x 3 No Japanese losses Allied aircraft losses B-17D Fortress: 3 damaged Aircraft Attacking: 3 x B-17D Fortress bombing from 4000 feet City Attack: 8 x 500 lb GP Bomb 3 x B-17E Fortress bombing from 4000 feet * City Attack: 4 x 500 lb GP Bomb CAP engaged: 77th Sentai/C with Ki-27b Nate (0 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling) 9 plane(s) not yet engaged, 0 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact. Group patrol altitude is 4000 Time for all group planes to reach interception is 48 minutes Yamada Det S-2 with A6M2 Zero (2 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling) 2 plane(s) intercepting now. 1 plane(s) not yet engaged, 0 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact. Group patrol altitude is 7000 , scrambling fighters to 4000. Time for all group planes to reach interception is 19 minutes -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Morning Air attack on Miri , at 64,87 Weather in hex: Partial cloud Raid spotted at 18 NM, estimated altitude 9,000 feet. Estimated time to target is 4 minutes Japanese aircraft Ki-27b Nate x 9 Allied aircraft B-17D Fortress x 2 Japanese aircraft losses Ki-27b Nate: 1 destroyed Allied aircraft losses B-17D Fortress: 2 damaged Oil hits 1 Aircraft Attacking: 2 x B-17D Fortress bombing from 4000 feet City Attack: 8 x 500 lb GP Bomb CAP engaged: 77th Sentai/C with Ki-27b Nate (6 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling) 6 plane(s) intercepting now. 3 plane(s) not yet engaged, 0 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact. Group patrol altitude is 4000 Time for all group planes to reach interception is 50 minutes Bangkok industry is also attacked, fighters are as ineffective. quote: Morning Air attack on Bangkok , at 56,62 Weather in hex: Severe storms Raid spotted at 40 NM, estimated altitude 13,000 feet. Estimated time to target is 13 minutes Japanese aircraft Ki-27b Nate x 7 Allied aircraft Blenheim IV x 15 No Japanese losses Allied aircraft losses Blenheim IV: 8 damaged Heavy Industry hits 2 Aircraft Attacking: 15 x Blenheim IV bombing from 7000 feet City Attack: 4 x 250 lb GP Bomb CAP engaged: 77th Sentai/A with Ki-27b Nate (2 airborne, 5 on standby, 0 scrambling) 2 plane(s) intercepting now. Group patrol altitude is 7000 Time for all group planes to reach interception is 7 minutes On December 20th our forces are simultaneously landing at Kuching and Singkawang. quote: Pre-Invasion action off Singkawang (56,88) 23 Coastal gun shots fired in defense. Japanese Ships TB Hayabusa TB Otori xAP Huso Maru E Saga Japanese ground losses: 26 casualties reported Squads: 0 destroyed, 2 disabled Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled TB Hayabusa fired at enemy troops TB Otori fired at enemy troops Defensive Guns fire at approaching troops in landing craft at 5,000 yards Defensive Guns fire at approaching troops in landing craft at 1,000 yards -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Amphibious Assault at Singkawang (56,88) TF 18 troops unloading over beach at Singkawang, 56,88 Japanese ground losses: 17 casualties reported Squads: 1 destroyed, 0 disabled Non Combat: 3 destroyed, 0 disabled Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled Guns lost 1 (1 destroyed, 0 disabled) 15 Aviation Support troops accidentally lost during unload of 22nd Air Flotilla 15 Aviation Support troops lost from landing craft during unload of 22nd Air Flotilla 15 Aviation Support troops lost overboard during unload of 22nd Air Flotilla 17 troops of a SNLF Inf Squad 41 lost from landing craft during unload of Yokosuka 2nd SNLF 13.2mm T93 AAMG dropped into water during unload of Yokosuka 2nd SNLF -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Pre-Invasion action off Singkawang (56,88) Defensive Guns engage approaching landing force 19 Coastal gun shots fired in defense. Japanese Ships TB Kari xAK Rokko Maru Japanese ground losses: 8 casualties reported Squads: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled TB Kari fired at enemy troops Defensive Guns fire at approaching troops in landing craft at 5,000 yards Defensive Guns fire at approaching troops in landing craft at 1,000 yards -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Amphibious Assault at Singkawang (56,88) TF 99 troops unloading over beach at Singkawang, 56,88 15 Support troops accidentally lost during unload of 23rd JAAF AF Bn -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Pre-Invasion action off Kuching (58,88) - Coastal Guns Fire Back! Defensive Guns engage approaching landing force 20 Coastal gun shots fired in defense. Japanese Ships CL Kashii DD Yomogi DD Tsuta PB Heiei Maru #7 xAK Zyuyo Maru Allied ground losses: 16 casualties reported Squads: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 2 disabled Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled CL Kashii firing at 106th RN Base Force DD Yomogi firing at Sarawak Force Sarawak Force firing at DD Yomogi Sarawak Force firing at DD Tsuta DD Tsuta firing at Sarawak Force PB Heiei Maru #7 fired at enemy troops DD Yomogi fired at enemy troops Defensive Guns fire at approaching troops in landing craft at 4,000 yards Defensive Guns fire at approaching troops in landing craft at 2,000 yards -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Amphibious Assault at Kuching (58,88) TF 185 troops unloading over beach at Kuching, 58,88 Japanese ground losses: 52 casualties reported Squads: 3 destroyed, 0 disabled Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled 17 troops of a SNLF Inf Squad 41 accidentally lost during unload of Yokosuka 4th SNLF 17 troops of a SNLF Inf Squad 41 lost from landing craft during unload of Yokosuka 4th SNLF 17 troops of a IJA Inf Squad lost in surf during unload of II/124th Infantry Bn Forces in Malaya managed to cut off 2 Indian brigades and some artillery in Alor Star and we finish them off. quote: Ground combat at Alor Star (49,73) Japanese Deliberate attack Attacking force 20822 troops, 196 guns, 98 vehicles, Assault Value = 636 Defending force 5184 troops, 34 guns, 32 vehicles, Assault Value = 173 Japanese engineers reduce fortifications to 0 Japanese adjusted assault: 388 Allied adjusted defense: 61 Japanese assault odds: 6 to 1 (fort level 0) Japanese forces CAPTURE Alor Star !!! Combat modifiers Defender: terrain(+), preparation(-), experience(-) Attacker: Japanese ground losses: 368 casualties reported Squads: 1 destroyed, 30 disabled Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 4 disabled Engineers: 0 destroyed, 12 disabled Allied ground losses: 5672 casualties reported Squads: 276 destroyed, 0 disabled Non Combat: 326 destroyed, 0 disabled Engineers: 2 destroyed, 0 disabled Guns lost 42 (42 destroyed, 0 disabled) Vehicles lost 34 (34 destroyed, 0 disabled) Units destroyed 4 Assaulting units: 11th Infantry Regiment 15th Ind Engineer Regiment 42nd Infantry Regiment 5th Recon Regiment 4th Ind Engineer Regiment 5th Engineer Regiment 21st Infantry Regiment 41st Infantry Regiment 18th Medium Field Artillery Regiment 25th Army 5th Field Artillery Regiment 3rd Ind. Mountain Gun Regiment Defending units: 6th Indian Brigade 15th Indian Brigade 109th RAF Adv Base Force 137/155th Field Regiment My opponent is moving Australian brigade... North?? 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szmike -> RE: Against all odds - szmike (J) vs DesertFox101 (A) (10/24/2020 2:29:08 AM)
In China American fighters are ruling the skies, so our forces are constantly harassed by Chinese bombers which is annoying, but they don't do much damage. We don't have assets to deploy at this time, so we refuse the fight. I'm not going to move anything from DEI, maybe a small Zero unit after resize is done. Any forward deployed Chinese units are attacked and rendered ineffective, so if they move behind our lines a fire brigade will have no trouble dispatching them. [image]local://upfiles/32706/47B913F3726245E88594863F479B8951.jpg[/image]

szmike -> RE: Against all odds - szmike (J) vs DesertFox101 (A) (10/24/2020 9:13:50 AM)
December 21st 1941 Invasions of Singkawang and Kuching are almost unopposed and we capture both. For once our CAP trap works nicely. quote: Morning Air attack on 22nd Air Flotilla , at 56,88 (Singkawang) Weather in hex: Light cloud Raid spotted at 32 NM, estimated altitude 4,000 feet. Estimated time to target is 10 minutes Japanese aircraft A6M2 Zero x 7 Allied aircraft Blenheim I x 10 No Japanese losses Allied aircraft losses Blenheim I: 5 destroyed, 1 damaged Aircraft Attacking: 2 x Blenheim I bombing from 4000 feet * Ground Attack: 2 x 250 lb GP Bomb CAP engaged: Yamada Det S-2 with A6M2 Zero (7 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling) 7 plane(s) intercepting now. Group patrol altitude is 7000 , scrambling fighters between 0 and 7000. Raid is overhead Also attacking Yokosuka 2nd SNLF ... -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Ground combat at Kuching (58,88) Japanese Deliberate attack Attacking force 3414 troops, 26 guns, 2 vehicles, Assault Value = 121 Defending force 1528 troops, 9 guns, 4 vehicles, Assault Value = 41 Japanese adjusted assault: 79 Allied adjusted defense: 7 Japanese assault odds: 11 to 1 (fort level 0) Japanese forces CAPTURE Kuching !!! Allied aircraft no flights Allied aircraft losses Buffalo I: 1 destroyed Combat modifiers Defender: terrain(+), leaders(-), disruption(-), morale(-) experience(-) Attacker: Japanese ground losses: 55 casualties reported Squads: 0 destroyed, 5 disabled Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled Allied ground losses: 888 casualties reported Squads: 41 destroyed, 5 disabled Non Combat: 25 destroyed, 1 disabled Engineers: 3 destroyed, 0 disabled Guns lost 4 (3 destroyed, 1 disabled) Vehicles lost 3 (3 destroyed, 0 disabled) Units retreated 3 Assaulting units: II/124th Infantry Battalion Yokosuka 4th SNLF Defending units: Sarawak Force 2/15 Punjab Battalion 106th RN Base Force -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Ground combat at Singkawang (56,88) Japanese Deliberate attack Attacking force 5115 troops, 41 guns, 14 vehicles, Assault Value = 126 Defending force 2469 troops, 20 guns, 7 vehicles, Assault Value = 50 Japanese adjusted assault: 66 Allied adjusted defense: 19 Japanese assault odds: 3 to 1 (fort level 1) Japanese forces CAPTURE Singkawang !!! Combat modifiers Defender: terrain(+), preparation(-), fatigue(-), experience(-) Attacker: Japanese ground losses: 64 casualties reported Squads: 0 destroyed, 14 disabled Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled Engineers: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled Allied ground losses: 935 casualties reported Squads: 8 destroyed, 10 disabled Non Combat: 22 destroyed, 7 disabled Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled Guns lost 7 (4 destroyed, 3 disabled) Vehicles lost 7 (7 destroyed, 0 disabled) Units retreated 5 Defeated Allied Units Retreating! Assaulting units: III/124th Infantry Battalion Yokosuka 2nd SNLF 23rd JAAF AF Bn 22nd Air Flotilla 97th JAAF AF Bn Defending units: W Borneo KNIL Battalion W Borneo Mil'ie Cdo Singkawang ML Base Force 2e-VLG-I Sup Afd 1e-VLG-V Sup Afd I've made a costly mistake and postponed bringing AA units to the front and now our forces are harassed wherever possible. I couldn't defend them all even if I wanted too, so I'm ammending this, if late.

szmike -> RE: Against all odds - szmike (J) vs DesertFox101 (A) (10/24/2020 9:45:42 AM)
One thing is bothering me since game start. Where is all Allied shipping? Where is starting Manilla fleet of different vessels? I don't see anything anywhere. I have subs roaming around Java. Several small groups are patrolling around Phillipines, since the start, along with mKB and null. Nothing is spotted. This is the best avoiding tactics I've seen in game or AAR... or maybe I simply do terrible job catching them. [:(] That said, in one of my PBEM games I brought Dewey to Pearl Harbour, so it is possible. But even then I lost a ton of other ships.

Bif1961 -> RE: Against all odds - szmike (J) vs DesertFox101 (A) (10/25/2020 5:18:23 PM)
You brought Dewey to PH, what about Huey and Louie?

821Bobo -> RE: Against all odds - szmike (J) vs DesertFox101 (A) (10/25/2020 7:42:59 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Q-Ball I personally think splitting KB is the BEST strategy for Japan early. But only early. It can potentially allow you to cover SW Pac, as well as cover something else. It's Dec '41....he has 3 operational CVs at most (Lex, Ent, Sara) and Saratoga starts in San Diego, so it's going to take a bit to get anywhere useful. Those CVs are equipped with understrength air groups that include F2As and TBDs, planes that are near useless. A 3 on 3 fight with 3 KB CVs, I would take that in December '41 ANY TIME. That is a potential Allied disaster. A smart Allied player would steer clear of any piece of KB. Therefore, splitting KB in two, you're still going to have plenty of CV power to fight off anything the US has YORKTOWN appears in January, so by Feb 1 though you have to account for possibility of 4 CVs, and by the time he's got HORNET, you probably need to have everyone consolidated. But splitting now? No problem. I must disagree. By the end of 41, with some micromanagement all 3 carriers can have Wildcats(+ USMC squadrons as a boost). That gives 270 planes vs IJN's 170-190. Can all turn out ugly for empire as well. Really depends on situation.

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