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Captjohn757 -> Incomplete Turkish railroads (11/5/2020 5:34:00 PM)

Strategic Command's World at War and World War II in Europe depict the Turkish railroad network differently: in World at War, the railroad extends eastward as far as Erzurm while in WWII in Europe, the railway only transits as far as Yozgat (just east of the capital, Ankara). In reality, both of these rail maps are incorrect. Turkish railroad maps as far back as 1927 indicate the rail line extends all the way to Kars at the eastern border and continues into Armenia at Gyumri. Suggest this should be reflected in the game. Sometimes history, topography or geography are discounted or ignored just because they happen to be inconvenient, as per the questionable decision to eliminate the Warsaw - Pinsk rail line which was an otherwise strategically important transportation link in World War II.



Sovyetsky -> RE: Incomplete Turkish railroads (11/5/2020 5:46:07 PM)

Lol



BillRunacre -> RE: Incomplete Turkish railroads (11/6/2020 10:30:03 AM)

I'll have a look into this, and for the War in Europe map it will depend on which sources I used at the time. Do you happen to have a source for the rail going all the way to Kars?



Captjohn757 -> RE: Incomplete Turkish railroads (11/6/2020 4:55:59 PM)

Hi, Bill,
There are several maps available depicting the Turkish (Ottoman) rail network at various times; I am attaching the 1937 map which shows the line from Ankara to Armenia as completed. Construction of this line was initiated following the end of World War I. The are also maps for 1914 and 1942, though the latter is of poor quality owing to the low resolution chosen for internet posting.

Enjoy playing Strategic Command a great deal, Bill. Thanks for your dedication and continuing contributions to the project(s).

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P.S. --- Don't know about your French, but the legend at the bottom (Chemins De Fer En 1937) basically says Railroads in 1937.



BillRunacre -> RE: Incomplete Turkish railroads (11/8/2020 7:41:29 PM)

Thanks very much for that, much appreciated! [:)]



Captjohn757 -> RE: Incomplete Turkish railroads (11/8/2020 8:30:40 PM)

Hi, Bill:

I would have posted a higher quality version of this map, but had to reduce the size and resolution owing to file size limitations on the forum ... I have a Photoshop version that's 30" x 15", a little over 1MB.



ThunderLizard11 -> RE: Incomplete Turkish railroads (11/9/2020 11:38:33 PM)

Always found this odd that you can't move units to Western part of Turkey



The Land -> RE: Incomplete Turkish railroads (11/10/2020 8:53:48 AM)

Wikipedia has a slightly different story. There was indeed a line from Erzurum to Kars, but it was a broad-gauge line not narrow-gauge like the rest of the Turkish networks.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eastern_Express



Captjohn757 -> RE: Incomplete Turkish railroads (11/11/2020 1:00:13 AM)

The Turkish railways featured both narrow gauge and standard gauge; the line from Erzurum to Kars was actually narrow gauge and was upgraded to standard gauge in 1957. On a historical note, the German-Turkish Treaty of Friendship (1941) was to provide about 120 German locomotives and 1200+ freight cars to assist the Turks in transporting chromite ore (used in the production of steel) back to Germany. Difficult to pinpoint exactly how much German railway equipment actually wound up in Turkey, but some did; the locomotives, in particular, were the ubiquitous DRB class 52 2-10-0s and were all standard gauge (4'8½") as were the freight cars. More currently, in 2019 there were discussions amongst the Russian, Azerbaijan and Turkish Railways to build a broad gauge line along side the Kars-Akhalkalaki (Georgia) segment in an effort to advance commerce and interchange.



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