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solops -> Allow AI more time Option (11/27/2020 4:08:30 AM)

Is there a way to turn off the "Allow AI more time" in mid game? It is making the turns so long (15-20 minutes) that I cannot play any more.



solops -> RE: Allow AI more time Option (11/27/2020 2:56:17 PM)

And, for the record I am using an i7-10750H with 16 gigs DDR4 RAM and an Nvidea RTX 2060 running under Win-10. Also, this is not a Steam installation. I bought direct from Matrix.



Jorgas -> RE: Allow AI more time Option (11/27/2020 3:58:35 PM)

i9900KS, msi 3090 ventus OC, 32 ballistic ddr4 ram, always play on biggest map (getting close to 30-35 minutes turns now around turn 80), wish your hardware would make it go a bit faster. (in the end it both happens with the AI option togged on or off)

my tip for you, would be to play another game on the side, i play civ 6 or gladius on the side, and when i hear the sound that the turn is done i pull the shadow empire window back into my main gaming screen and do the turn, then just minimize it again while it's processing, would not be possible to play otherwise unless im playing another game on the side.



Vic -> RE: Allow AI more time Option (11/27/2020 4:12:47 PM)

@Solops, Jorgas,

Could you send a game save file illustrating the long wait to vic@vrdesigns.net with a link to this thread.

I'll take a look if I can still speed up things.

And the idea of a switch to turn it off aint bad.

Best wishes,
Vic



Jorgas -> RE: Allow AI more time Option (11/27/2020 4:35:42 PM)

Save game sent!



solops -> RE: Allow AI more time Option (11/27/2020 4:45:11 PM)

Sent two.

I am on a medium map. And I read a book while waiting.



Vic -> RE: Allow AI more time Option (11/27/2020 4:51:55 PM)

Thanks guys. I'll try to get this done during the weekend!

best wishes,
Vic



solops -> RE: Allow AI more time Option (11/27/2020 5:16:32 PM)

I have observed that over the last 5 turns processing time has decreased. It is down to about 10 minutes now from a peak of close to 20 minutes. I think the AI is waging war somewhere and the conflict is winding down.



Jorgas -> RE: Allow AI more time Option (11/27/2020 5:21:44 PM)

i used a stopwatch on my phone to time my turn 91 that i sent too Vic, 32 minutes and 38 seconds

[image]https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/267220192982073344/781947053005471744/Screenshot_20201127-191750_Clock.jpg[/image]



Jorgas -> RE: Allow AI more time Option (11/27/2020 5:21:49 PM)

double post remove pls.



Vic -> RE: Allow AI more time Option (11/28/2020 8:24:51 AM)

Hi gus,

Thanks for the save files.

I uploaded v106-beta1b

Please give it a try. Switch off slow AI in Prefs and see if you are getting some improvements.

Best wishes,
Vic



Jorgas -> RE: Allow AI more time Option (11/28/2020 9:39:09 AM)

I still have the AI option on, turn time down too 22 minutes for me on turn 111 continued from that save I sent you, :)



Vic -> RE: Allow AI more time Option (11/28/2020 2:54:30 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: Jorgas

I still have the AI option on, turn time down too 22 minutes for me on turn 111 continued from that save I sent you, :)


If you could run the same save on your computer with AI option off? that would be much appreciated as a benchmark on your system?

32 min pre v106-beta1b
22 min v106-beta1 slow ai
...min v106-beta1 fast ai

best,
Vic



Jorgas -> RE: Allow AI more time Option (11/28/2020 5:16:19 PM)

Save game I sent you turn 91 "Vic Turn Timer Save"
pre beta 32 minutes 38 seconds
with 106b1 slow AI on turn 91 24 minutes
with 106b1 fast AI on turn 91 9 minutes 58 seconds

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/267220192982073344/781947053005471744/Screenshot_20201127-191750_Clock.jpg - (32 minute 38 seconds timer)
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/267220192982073344/782304482549563472/Screenshot_20201128-185754_Clock.jpg - (24 minute 8 seconds)
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/267220192982073344/782307306556620851/Screenshot_20201128-190921_Clock.jpg - (9 minutes 58 seconds timer)

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1oBRTH6HlD07Y1F-wCLqP7hyblB_4_TH_/view?usp=sharing (Save Game in question)
https://drive.google.com/file/d/11aw-Xyeko7qfBo5kkOb2kvxf-9goCnt_/view?usp=sharing (fixed save game link)



Vic -> RE: Allow AI more time Option (11/28/2020 7:28:54 PM)

Thanks Jorgas,

Speedwise i succeeded in bringing it back to a reasonable time for a game with very many units and regimes on a big planet.

Not great, but not half an hour either.

Much appreciated you took the time to benchmark!

best wishes,
Vic



Jorgas -> RE: Allow AI more time Option (11/28/2020 8:00:40 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: Vic

Thanks Jorgas,

Speedwise i succeeded in bringing it back to a reasonable time for a game with very many units and regimes on a big planet.

Not great, but not half an hour either.

Much appreciated you took the time to benchmark!

best wishes,
Vic



In my eyes, a 25-35% speed calculation increase is amazing, :)

Don't forget to take some time of work thou [:-][:D]



solops -> RE: Allow AI more time Option (11/28/2020 11:18:12 PM)

Dramatic improvement! Especially when I switch off the longer AI time. I just don't know what I am giving up in terms of AI capability.



CaptBeefheart -> RE: Allow AI more time Option (12/2/2020 5:35:57 AM)

Just curious, gents, as to the tradeoff. How much does less time handicap the AI?

Cheers,
CB



Daza99 -> RE: Allow AI more time Option (12/2/2020 7:34:22 AM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: CaptBeefheart

Just curious, gents, as to the tradeoff. How much does less time handicap the AI?

Cheers,
CB


A very good question, i would like to know too.



Vic -> RE: Allow AI more time Option (12/2/2020 8:26:03 AM)

The extra time is mostly used to try to make better combat/tactical moves at the lowest level of unit shuffling. It does not touch the economic or strategic algorithms.



Protonic2020 -> RE: Allow AI more time Option (12/3/2020 10:33:21 AM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: Vic

Thanks Jorgas,

Speedwise i succeeded in bringing it back to a reasonable time for a game with very many units and regimes on a big planet.

Not great, but not half an hour either.

Much appreciated you took the time to benchmark!

best wishes,
Vic

And thanks for the work with all the games so we can have our mature toys.
Much appreciated.



Destragon -> RE: Allow AI more time Option (12/3/2020 2:28:22 PM)

I just saw that the "allow ai more time" option is enabled by default on the steam version. Maybe that should be turned off?



Vic -> RE: Allow AI more time Option (12/3/2020 2:35:32 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: Destragon

I just saw that the "allow ai more time" option is enabled by default on the steam version. Maybe that should be turned off?


It can still be turned off in Prefs during a running game :)



nathanebht -> RE: Allow AI more time Option (12/5/2020 1:19:41 AM)

I'm playing the current Steam release. Is it my imagination or is the AI noticeably better when used in slow mode.



Vic -> RE: Allow AI more time Option (12/5/2020 8:20:54 AM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: nathanebht

I'm playing the current Steam release. Is it my imagination or is the AI noticeably better when used in slow mode.


I hope so. We wouldn't want to make you wait longer in exchange for worse AI moves :)



ASHBERY76 -> RE: Allow AI more time Option (12/5/2020 10:26:20 AM)

Lol.



CaptBeefheart -> RE: Allow AI more time Option (12/7/2020 7:28:31 AM)

Thanks for the explanation, Vic. I am running quick turns and the AI doesn't seem too smart in combat. Back to slow turns I think.

Cheers,
CB



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