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Lokasenna -> RE: Judy or Grace (1/2/2021 3:55:07 AM)
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ORIGINAL: RADM.Yamaguchi
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ORIGINAL: jdsrae
Not getting Judy will leave you with Vals for a long time, something like all of 1943.
true jdsrae, i figure grace in 10/3/43 vs 2/1/43 for judy 3. judy 4 takes a while
Even just having the D4Y1 is worthwhile. The Val was outdated on 12/7/1941.
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ORIGINAL: Ambassador
Second problem is that you have that torpedo option with the Grace. Have you tried torpedo attacks against late-war (or even mid-war) Allied flak ?[;)]
Look at the Netties : their durability is 35/36, yet they still get shot down quite a lot when facing CAP or decent flak. Even the Grace’s 30 is way lower.
And regarding Maneuver, remember that speed influences the actual agility, so the 2 more points of the Grace won’t dramatically improve survivability when the opposing fighters are way faster. Vals have way better Maneuver than either Judy or Grace, and a Durability between theirs, yet are killed in droves by the end of ‘42 or early ‘43. Grace won’t come before the Allied CAP uses F6F, yet you may field Judie’s when only F4F-4 are available - and those are slower than either a Judy or a Grace, leaving a sweet spot between the Judy’s arrival and the first Hellcats.
And finally, when not using the torpedo, being stuck with 2x250kg will see your attacks unable to penetrate a CA’s armored deck.
They do better than dive bombers, largely because their shots hit harder.
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ORIGINAL: Q-Ball
To me the 2x 250kg is a deal breaker; you need something that can hurt a Battleship. For much the same reason, the VAL is a plane that needs to be replaced ASAP, and that means the D4Y1.
I would build D4Y1, but I also would research the D4Y4, with the 800kg BB-killer bomb
Another consideration: The Grace, while worth building, will be a strain to industry if you build in quantities you need for the whole IJN. The reason is engines; it uses the Ha-45, which has many demands on it from multiple models, while the D4Y3 and D4Y4 use the Ha-33, and engine that you will likely have some surplus of in late war, as you are no longer building alot of models that use the Ha-33
Even the 500kg bomb carried by the regular Judy is a good enough reason to upgrade.
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ORIGINAL: RADM.Yamaguchi
i was just wondering if anybody had real game experience where both judys and graces are attacking and they could confirm that the judys get knocked down in larger numbers that would be enough to justify the lighter load of the grace.
i've read some aars where that appears to be the case but i can't be sure
They both die in droves.
Train up lots of pilots, and build lots of spares. Use your "this is going to cost me 200 VPs in downed planes to launch this" strikes sparingly.
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