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Zap -> RE: Slitherine poll (1/14/2021 11:31:53 PM)

Twitter is censuring, along with other big tech. That's a big no, no. I don't have a twitter account , never had one. Surely, under the present circumstances I will not start an account to support them or a Slitherine Poll that chooses twitter.



z1812z -> RE: Slitherine poll (1/15/2021 12:21:28 AM)

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On most forums that I'm on, it is trivially easy for any user to create a poll. On the twitter poll, there is a weird selection of time periods, I couldn't really tell what they were talking about...they should be more specific ("Napoleonic", "Pike & Musket", WWII, WWI, etc.). Between not using twitter and not knowing what they were even asking about, I declined to take part...
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Exactly! As I recall, there have been polls here before. What's the problem with making one here?



z1812z -> RE: Slitherine poll (1/15/2021 12:22:15 AM)


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ORIGINAL: Zap

Twitter is censuring, along with other big tech. That's a big no, no. I don't have a twitter account , never had one. Surely, under the present circumstances I will not start an account to support them or a Slitherine Poll that chooses twitter.


+1



RangerJoe -> RE: Slitherine poll (1/15/2021 12:27:08 AM)


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ORIGINAL: z1812z


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ORIGINAL: Zap

Twitter is censuring, along with other big tech. That's a big no, no. I don't have a twitter account , never had one. Surely, under the present circumstances I will not start an account to support them or a Slitherine Poll that chooses twitter.


+1


+1



Neilster -> RE: Slitherine poll (1/15/2021 10:50:34 AM)


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ORIGINAL: Zap

Twitter is censuring, along with other big tech. That's a big no, no. I don't have a twitter account , never had one. Surely, under the present circumstances I will not start an account to support them or a Slitherine Poll that chooses twitter.

I assume you mean censoring? When you join these things, you agree to a long list of rules that usually nobody reads. These companies have ignored repeated violations of their own policies for years because it's been lucrative to do so but now they've decided to enforce them. That's cynical but in the current circumstances, not unreasonable.



TulliusDetritus -> RE: Slitherine poll (1/15/2021 11:50:39 AM)


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ORIGINAL: Neilster
Twitter's OK. You just pick who you follow carefully.


Exactly. I don't have a twitter account (and don't plan to have it as I'm unimportant and people don't need to read my lunacies) but following some key individuals is useful to me. I call them "my gravediggers": they do all the digging for me = find useful (to me) political, economic information which they share. Scholars, journalists, scientists, even random well informed people are on that list.

Thanks to them I got a correct and real time (early february) intel about covid-19, which I used to warn family members, friends. Ergo twitter was indeed useful.



76mm -> RE: Slitherine poll (1/15/2021 12:56:34 PM)

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ORIGINAL: TulliusDetritus
Thanks to them I got a correct and real time (early february) intel about covid-19, which I used to warn family members, friends. Ergo twitter was indeed useful.

OK, but you could have gotten the same by just following the news online, there were many reports about it in January and IIRC the first mentions in December.



TulliusDetritus -> RE: Slitherine poll (1/15/2021 1:23:07 PM)


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ORIGINAL: 76mm
OK, but you could have gotten the same by just following the news online, there were many reports about it in January and IIRC the first mentions in December.



hmm, I don't think so. Not saying these reports did not exist at all. Just buried below a huge pile of "this is a flu, pack of lies, exaggeration etc etc etc" official reports. And it's clear who had the upper hand... until reality knocked everyone's door. In fact that's why they could use the "we didn't know" alibi: they were following the party line...

The gravediggers certainly believed this semi buried stuff and shared it.



MrsWargamer -> RE: Slitherine poll (1/15/2021 1:34:24 PM)

Polls.
Inasmuch as we are talking about a wargaming poll... Twitter is about as far away from a relevant source as I can imagine.

We wargamers are a long-winded variety. Twitter is the opposite.
Why not pick a more logical location BGG.
Why not something like Reddit.

WHY NOT HERE?
If I was a game developer, the LAST place I'm picking is Twitter.
I might pick Steam, even if Steam is rife with bias. I might pick GoG, at least they are a massive gamer draw.
I'm picking gaming sites.

Not Twitter.



rico21 -> RE: Slitherine poll (1/15/2021 2:44:56 PM)

WW2...[&:]
The secret weapon...[X(]
Twhitler...[:(]



Edmon -> RE: Slitherine poll (1/15/2021 3:18:38 PM)

We have an official reddit now... but hardly anyone has signed up to it...

Admittedly, we only just started working on it...

You can find it here:
https://www.reddit.com/r/Slitherine/



DD696 -> RE: Slitherine poll (1/15/2021 3:52:07 PM)

So now in order to let you know our opinion we must utilize twitter or reddit?

I am not going to create a login to another site in order to answer a question regarding war game development preference for you. It appears to me that if you want the opinion of those who frequent this forum that the appropriate place for such a poll would be on this forum, or is it that those who frequent these forums don't really matter.



MrsWargamer -> RE: Slitherine poll (1/15/2021 4:05:09 PM)

Said I'd join, talk is cheap, actions speak louder, so here it is.

https://www.reddit.com/r/Slitherine/comments/kxyoxn/well_i_said_id_come/

I was fortunate, my username was open :)



Edmon -> RE: Slitherine poll (1/15/2021 4:08:50 PM)


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ORIGINAL: DD696

So now in order to let you know our opinion we must utilize twitter or reddit?

I am not going to create a login to another site in order to answer a question regarding war game development preference for you. It appears to me that if you want the opinion of those who frequent this forum that the appropriate place for such a poll would be on this forum, or is it that those who frequent these forums don't really matter.


We have a presence on Facebook, Twitter, Reddit, Steam and we have our Forums of course and probably other places I can't remember right now.

We gather feedback from and post news to all these places, all the time.

I think saying that we don't care about our forum users or their opinions is grossly unfair of you. If we didn't care, I wouldn't be here reading your feedback.

Most official forums are run almost entirely by fans and volenteers and see no exclusive news at all. We post our latest news on our forums and social media at the same time, so you will never miss out no matter what your favourite place to be is.

But as far as I know, this forum is too old to support secure polls and honestly, a forum is where I go to find detailed feedback because this is what a forum is best for.

Twitter allows you to get a few hundred to a thousand opinions extremely quickly in a way a forum can't compete with, because even if you post a poll in a forum, it's got to be somewhere and many forum goers only visit particular parts of the forum (normally the section that is about their favourite game).

I hope this clarfies things for everyone.



bazjak -> RE: Slitherine poll (1/15/2021 4:28:18 PM)

"Twitter allows you to get a few hundred to a thousand opinions extremely quickly in a way a forum can't compete with, because even if you post a poll in a forum, it's got to be somewhere and many forum goers only visit particular parts of the forum (normally the section that is about their favourite game)."
Put the poll on the main page then as when you clock on to Matrix/Slitherine you go to the main page and not the forum page



Edmon -> RE: Slitherine poll (1/15/2021 4:32:25 PM)


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ORIGINAL: bazjak

"Twitter allows you to get a few hundred to a thousand opinions extremely quickly in a way a forum can't compete with, because even if you post a poll in a forum, it's got to be somewhere and many forum goers only visit particular parts of the forum (normally the section that is about their favourite game)."
Put the poll on the main page then as when you clock on to Matrix/Slitherine you go to the main page and not the forum page

People bookmark their favourite forum more often than not and actually skip the index entirely. I used to do this on the paradox forums for example. I had the BT forum and EUIV general discussion forums bookmarked and never went anywhere else.

Getting the opinion of an entire forum is actually really, really hard.



tevans -> RE: Slitherine poll (1/15/2021 4:51:31 PM)

No offense but why do I need to go to Reddit or Twitter if I want to talk about Slitherine/Matrix games? These forums have worked fine for years. Why post a poll to Twitter instead of here on these forums. Doesn't make sense.



rico21 -> RE: Slitherine poll (1/15/2021 5:30:19 PM)


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ORIGINAL: tevans

No offense but why do I need to go to Reddit or Twitter if I want to talk about Slitherine/Matrix games? These forums have worked fine for years. Why post a poll to Twitter instead of here on these forums. Doesn't make sense.

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Zovs -> RE: Slitherine poll (1/15/2021 5:38:21 PM)

I'll have nothing to do with Fakebook, Twatter or any of the other online security compromised, borg infested privacy sellers of data that specialize in censorship and greed.

FB and Twit can piss off and I am glad they are out $55 billion I hope they go broke and their servers melt.

The only good thing Fakebook ever provided me was to find out my ex-wife was cheating on me and had the grounds to divorce her.

No thanks



ThomasJay -> RE: Slitherine poll (1/15/2021 6:04:04 PM)


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ORIGINAL: tevans

No offense but why do I need to go to Reddit or Twitter if I want to talk about Slitherine/Matrix games? These forums have worked fine for years. Why post a poll to Twitter instead of here on these forums. Doesn't make sense.

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76mm -> RE: Slitherine poll (1/15/2021 6:14:17 PM)

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ORIGINAL: TulliusDetritus
hmm, I don't think so. Not saying these reports did not exist at all. Just buried below a huge pile of "this is a flu, pack of lies, exaggeration etc etc etc" official reports.

Well, all I can say is that I'm not on twitter but look at my google news feed a couple of times a day, without any focus on, or even interest in, medical topics, and I was well aware of covid by mid-January at the latest, and I think more likely by late December. It was very well covered by reputable news organizations from the very beginning, as are most topics that are of interest to me. Twitter, on the other hand, as far as I'm concerned is little more than a firehose of fake, unverified, and exaggerated news.



TulliusDetritus -> RE: Slitherine poll (1/15/2021 6:44:57 PM)

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ORIGINAL: 76mm
Twitter, on the other hand, as far as I'm concerned is little more than a firehose of fake, unverified, and exaggerated news.


So let's see. Adam Tooze (a scholar) tweets something about an article he found in some *specialized* magazine, which he is sharing... you're saying that's fake? You're exaggerating here. The whole point is *who* is tweeting. They are gathering information that might (or not) be useful to you. If you had to do this whole gathering job... it would be a part time job [;)]

re the many freakshows using that platform, I don't care as I'm not interested about them.

As far as I know (I don't buy conspiracies) only by the mid or end of january the Chinese realized this might be a once-in-a-century pandemic [;)] Before that moment (early january, december), this was some sort of pneumonia...



Karri -> RE: Slitherine poll (1/15/2021 7:18:34 PM)


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ORIGINAL: MrsWargamer

Polls.
Inasmuch as we are talking about a wargaming poll... Twitter is about as far away from a relevant source as I can imagine.

We wargamers are a long-winded variety. Twitter is the opposite.
Why not pick a more logical location BGG.
Why not something like Reddit.

WHY NOT HERE?
If I was a game developer, the LAST place I'm picking is Twitter.
I might pick Steam, even if Steam is rife with bias. I might pick GoG, at least they are a massive gamer draw.
I'm picking gaming sites.

Not Twitter.



In fact, you're making yourself irrelevant. Instead of creating an account and voicing your opinion, the folks here demand that the Slitherine staff grovel in front of them and beseech them for their opinion. What really happens is that your voice won't be heard, and perhaps Matrix Games/Slitherine will finally realise that there are big markets outside the grognard circles...or nothing at all happens as it just one poll amongst many.



gamer78 -> RE: Slitherine poll (1/15/2021 8:03:49 PM)


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ORIGINAL: 76mm

Well, all I can say is that I'm not on twitter but look at my google news feed a couple of times a day, without any focus on, or even interest in, medical topics, and I was well aware of covid by mid-January at the latest, and I think more likely by late December. It was very well covered by reputable news organizations from the very beginning, as are most topics that are of interest to me. Twitter, on the other hand, as far as I'm concerned is little more than a firehose of fake, unverified, and exaggerated news.


National TV and newspaper news could be a bit more reliable source for info for more democractic -neo liberal- regimes but not the case for most countries unfortunately. Strong authority and the State most important. Social media is not to blame. [:)]

Anyway what was the poll result? Many world conflicts still lacking I believe in wargaming.



Lobster -> RE: Slitherine poll (1/15/2021 8:47:33 PM)


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ORIGINAL: TulliusDetritus

Thanks to them I got a correct and real time (early february) intel about covid-19, which I used to warn family members, friends. Ergo twitter was indeed useful.



I was stocked up and ready to hide in February without twitter. Wasn't hard to figure out just by watching the news.



Lobster -> RE: Slitherine poll (1/15/2021 8:58:52 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Karri
creating an account


What you really mean is creating yet ANOTHER account. It's not simply an account. Everyone wants me to register every bloody place I go. I am completely fed up with having to have a million accounts. Oh, just sign up. I signed up for this forum. I start at General Discussion and Press Releases, News and Events from Matrix because that's where I expect to find information regarding what's happening. But nope. Wrong. Now I have to go to someplace off site. Not happening. No more accounts. [:D]



TulliusDetritus -> RE: Slitherine poll (1/15/2021 9:11:27 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Lobster
I was stocked up and ready to hide in February without twitter. Wasn't hard to figure out just by watching the news.


In february only China and Iran faced the crisis. So you chose to believe what was going on there... Good for you (and me), because the medias that dozens of millions watch were selling another message [;)]



Lobster -> RE: Slitherine poll (1/15/2021 9:18:36 PM)


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ORIGINAL: TulliusDetritus


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ORIGINAL: Lobster
I was stocked up and ready to hide in February without twitter. Wasn't hard to figure out just by watching the news.


In february only China and Iran faced the crisis. So you chose to believe what was going on there... Good for you (and me), because the medias that dozens of millions watch were selling another message [;)]


This forum is not twitter and this is what we had here the end of January: https://www.matrixgames.com/forums/tm.asp?m=4757221



Sammy5IsAlive -> RE: Slitherine poll (1/15/2021 11:57:01 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Lobster


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ORIGINAL: TulliusDetritus


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ORIGINAL: Lobster
I was stocked up and ready to hide in February without twitter. Wasn't hard to figure out just by watching the news.


In february only China and Iran faced the crisis. So you chose to believe what was going on there... Good for you (and me), because the medias that dozens of millions watch were selling another message [;)]


This forum is not twitter and this is what we had here the end of January: https://www.matrixgames.com/forums/tm.asp?m=4757221


I think there were c.500 pages of Covid discussion in the WitP forums which made it up to July before things deteriorated to the point the discussion had to be locked. Those discussions were almost entirely well informed and reasonable on the face of it. That said reading back on those threads I think it is fair to say that very few posters (if any) could claim to have accurately predicted the subsequent course and consequences of the pandemic. In terms of the mainstream media and also in terms of the 'non-traditional' sources of information available online I'd say that the thread illustrated how the current 'Information Age' can be both a blessing and a curse. We have huge amounts of competing information and comment at our fingertips. But the other side of the coin to that is the trap of getting bogged down in debating 'the trees' of all of that competing information and losing sight of 'the wood' that is the over-arching situation.

In terms of Twitter specifically I think it is what you make of it. If you are diligent in 'curating' the accounts you follow and your experience in general there is some great stuff on there. If you succumb to the temptation of following the contrarians (on either side of various debates) or make a habit of opening up the comments to 'sensible' tweets then you'll be flooded by poison, trolling and misinformation.



springel -> RE: Slitherine poll (1/16/2021 1:03:45 AM)

Twitter is great to keep up to date in a self-constructed collection of topics.

I subscribe to a number of archaeology organisations so I get a notice when something obscure from the Early Middle Ages has been found in some muddy village. I like that.

I subscribe to several sources in my local area, so I hear rumours about what is going on, but I can skip the boring politics from the regular media.

I subscribe to a good journalist specialized in energy and China.

I subscribe to Slitherine to hear their news.

All in an easily browsable list that I enjoy much more that I used to enjoy a newspaper with my morning coffee.
Headlines and a picture, with a link to further details.

I dump everybody who tweets too much. I don't need comments on things that everybody is talking about, I want original content. And you can get that on Twitter.



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