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Mock726 -> TF in Human Control being diverted by computer? (1/18/2021 1:29:38 AM)

Playing Guadalcanal scenario, Human Allies vs Computer Japanese.

Transport TF following orders to move to a port to load supplies. After the execution of the next turn I find its orders have been changed to go to a different port to load an Air Unit. When I change its order back to go the port it was originally traveling too, after the next turn execution I find its orders have again been changed to go to the other port and load that air unit.

Several times TF's ordered to go from one Australian coastal port to another have been reordered to go to Noumea, with both destination and home port set to Noumea, when they originally both been set to ports on the Australian coast. I have several times had to fight with the computer to get a task force into a port where I could disband it, as the machine every turn would transform its destination and home port to Noumea.

I do have the setting set for the computer to control submarines, which it is doing successfully, if you consider the subs running themselves aground on the Australian coast line a success.

What is going on here?



BBfanboy -> RE: TF in Human Control being diverted by computer? (1/18/2021 1:55:30 AM)


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ORIGINAL: Mock726

Playing Guadalcanal scenario, Human Allies vs Computer Japanese.

Transport TF following orders to move to a port to load supplies. After the execution of the next turn I find its orders have been changed to go to a different port to load an Air Unit. When I change its order back to go the port it was originally traveling too, after the next turn execution I find its orders have again been changed to go to the other port and load that air unit.

Several times TF's ordered to go from one Australian coastal port to another have been reordered to go to Noumea, with both destination and home port set to Noumea, when they originally both been set to ports on the Australian coast. I have several times had to fight with the computer to get a task force into a port where I could disband it, as the machine every turn would transform its destination and home port to Noumea.

I do have the setting set for the computer to control submarines, which it is doing successfully, if you consider the subs running themselves aground on the Australian coast line a success.

What is going on here?

Sounds like you have turned on Autoconvoys and allowed the AI to use those ships as Autoconvoy ships. Also make sure your ships are set to "Remain on Station" when you send them to a different port from Home Port. Otherwise they can start to Retire to home base as soon as they arrive at destination.



RangerJoe -> RE: TF in Human Control being diverted by computer? (1/18/2021 1:57:04 AM)

It is difficult without a screenshot. But something in your settings allows this so I would check them. Make sure that the TF settings are "Direct" and see if that helps.

I would also not let the computer control the subs.

BTW, never, ever, let the computer control anything if you can help it.



Mock726 -> RE: TF in Human Control being diverted by computer? (1/18/2021 5:40:42 AM)

I don't believe Auto-convoy is active in the Guadalcanal scenario I am playing. At least the icon on the top of the map is not being displayed. And the 'H' hotkey does not seem to do anything.

I will try having the convoys go "Direct", I have been leaving it on "Normal".

Usually the mystery redirected Transport TF is shown as being on a mission to 'Pickup: 3rd BG/ 89th BS'. I have moved this squadron from one airbase to another, is there some sort of ground unit associated with the squadron this convoy is trying to move to catch up with the aircraft?

Yes, letting the computer direct subs does not seem to be a good idea, I will turn that Option off. I had been manually changing subs to human control, after I noticed that many subs on patrol in the Coral Sea scenario always decided to head for port on the second turn, with full fuel tanks.



BBfanboy -> RE: TF in Human Control being diverted by computer? (1/18/2021 6:53:17 AM)


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ORIGINAL: Mock726

I don't believe Auto-convoy is active in the Guadalcanal scenario I am playing. At least the icon on the top of the map is not being displayed. And the 'H' hotkey does not seem to do anything.

I will try having the convoys go "Direct", I have been leaving it on "Normal".

Usually the mystery redirected Transport TF is shown as being on a mission to 'Pickup: 3rd BG/ 89th BS'. I have moved this squadron from one airbase to another, is there some sort of ground unit associated with the squadron this convoy is trying to move to catch up with the aircraft?

Yes, letting the computer direct subs does not seem to be a good idea, I will turn that Option off. I had been manually changing subs to human control, after I noticed that many subs on patrol in the Coral Sea scenario always decided to head for port on the second turn, with full fuel tanks.

Does the TF say it is under human control or computer control?



RangerJoe -> RE: TF in Human Control being diverted by computer? (1/18/2021 1:26:40 PM)

It appears that someone or something has given the transport TF orders to go to a location and pick up a unit. Check to see if you are doing that. You can, even by accident, do that.

No ground echelons are represented in the game for specific squadrons, they are folded into the air support elements of various base force types.



Mock726 -> RE: TF in Human Control being diverted by computer? (1/18/2021 8:58:53 PM)

The Task Force is under Human control.
The task force had been delivering supplies to several ports, under manual control, not trying to use the CS command for shuttling back and forth.

The air unit it says it is going to pick up is at the port it is currently ordered to head to. But I did not consciously task it to go there or pick up the unit.
The air unit also seems to have moved itself, as


Also, Off topic, I have not used this Forum software in decades probably. How do you get a screenshot/pic into a post? The "?" help is no help, to me anyway.



RangerJoe -> RE: TF in Human Control being diverted by computer? (1/18/2021 9:07:58 PM)

You have to have at least 10 posts in total.

Post other places as well:

https://www.matrixgames.com/forums/tm.asp?m=3830750&mpage=336�

https://www.matrixgames.com/forums/tm.asp?m=3083586&mpage=363�

The "General" Forum also has many other places to post as well.



Ambassador -> RE: TF in Human Control being diverted by computer? (1/18/2021 10:19:37 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Mock726

The Task Force is under Human control.
The task force had been delivering supplies to several ports, under manual control, not trying to use the CS command for shuttling back and forth.

Are you sure you started the scenario with that side as the « human » side ? The behavior you explain would be compatible with the fact of loading a turn as a human, issuing orders, then execute the turn as the other side (or AI vs AI).



Mock726 -> RE: TF in Human Control being diverted by computer? (1/20/2021 1:54:14 AM)

I am sure I have never tried this scenario as the Japanese player. I believe I am making progress in understanding what is going on.

I have taken the save game file that contains the changes in units and orders and such I made before the first turn and replayed it three times. To see if the Task Forces are a random thing or not. They are NOT random. I am making no changes and giving no orders during these replays, only clicking off messages.

In each of the three replays I got the same results:
On the second turn of each run through a computer controlled TF containing only the Empire Hawk is created in Brisbane, with orders to go to Bowen and load the 3rd BG/90th BS. That unit is not in Bowen, its in Cooktown.
On the third turn of each run through a computer controlled TF containing only the Peter Silvester is created in Sydney, with orders to go to Cooktown to load the 3rd BG/ 8th BS. That unit is in Cooktown.
I have not gone past the third turn in these replays.

My guess is there is something wrong with that save game file. Since that save game file always yields these same results.
My next step is to make some changes to the file, like actually putting that unit in Bowen, and seeing what happens.

What I am seeing may be the result of the system trying to do the moves mentioned above, when the Empire Hawk and Peter Silvester are not in port, but already at sea in a Task Force.

Thanks for your replies.



RangerJoe -> RE: TF in Human Control being diverted by computer? (1/20/2021 2:12:34 AM)

Start the scenario from the beginning with the computer controlling nothing - not the subs, either.



Mock726 -> RE: TF in Human Control being diverted by computer? (1/23/2021 1:44:42 AM)

I have solved the mystery, and it's not really a big deal. [:)]

TLDR: Don't try to base the A-20 Squadrons that start the Guadalcanal Scenario in Charter Towers out of Cooktown.

After playing the first six or seven days of the Guadalcanal Scenario more than 40 times I have found the following:

1: On the third day after you transfer an A-20 squadron from Charter Towers to Cooktown a Computer Controlled Transport TF will be created with the mission of picking up that squadron from Cooktown.
2: If you transfer an A-20 from Charter Towers to any other base no TF will be created and sent to pick it up.
3: If you transfer other aircraft squadron to Cooktown no TF will be created and sent to pick it up. Obviously I did not try every air unit on the map, just a selection from other bases.

No other commands were issued during these tests, all other action was as setup in the scenario from the CD sent me by Matrix Games. All I did (other than ordering the A-20 moves) was click off displays and trigger the next turn. There are obviously a vast number of permutations of moving this or that unit to this or that location that I did NOT test. It is possible there may be something weird about the CD I received, or the computer I am using, that caused all this. Since other players have not encountered this problem I suspect something like this is the most likely cause.

The three day delay after moving an A-20 to Cooktown is consistent. I tried transferring one on 6Aug and one on 7Aug and the Computer controlled Transport TF's were created on 9 Aug and 10 Aug, tasked to pick up the unit transferred three days before. I repeated this on other dates and got the same delay.



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