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yutowap33 -> Any tips on starting new colonies? (2/4/2021 2:40:14 AM)
Any tips on starting new colonies?

Arralen -> RE: Any tips on starting new colonies? (2/4/2021 5:46:35 AM)
Assets beyond 6 hexes add administrative strain.

Mina -> RE: Any tips on starting new colonies? (2/4/2021 6:29:13 AM)
- Start by building a railhead and Truck station on the tile you want to put your new city at. They're 1 turn to build and essential, because getting materials and food to your new city's incredibly important. - Try to have cards like Zoo/Commercial Project available before starting a new zone. You're going to need to have your worker morale at 50 or better in order to get ** built in a reasonable timeframe, if worker morale is bad then you'll struggle to convert pop into workers, so you won't have enough people to build your QoL **, so morale won't start improving, and repeat ad nauseum. - Investor Backing is also good to play on new cities because it provides a random but static amount of money. Private investment scales depending on existing population - If you've got any Autonomous Cloning Facility cards then use them on your new zones. 1000 pop a turn is most beneficial for tiny settlements. - If at all possible, place your new cities in places with nearby free folk settlements that you can rope into their zone borders. - Otherwise consider recruiting some colonists from one of your bigger cities with population to spare (Via zone orders). You'll need logistic points to send them but it can be a big boost when you'd otherwise have to rely on natural migration. In general, newly created zones are a lot slower than just conquering an existing one from a minor. If you've got a bigass swath of empty field or forest then you don't need to place a new zone, it's when you come across a cluster of ruins or a few mineable resources that are well outside of the 6 tile no admin strain radius of your existing city that you wanna put one down.

Maerchen -> RE: Any tips on starting new colonies? (2/4/2021 7:27:30 AM)
As a side note, the quick zone tab on the left can only fit 26 zones. My 38 zone empire is quite difficult to manage. I went full commerce, got the stacking production bonuses. 4.5k IP per turn from light industries and service tax is a nice thing to have...

zgrssd -> RE: Any tips on starting new colonies? (2/4/2021 9:40:46 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: yutowap33 Any tips on starting new colonies? Generally it is better to keep your population concentrated in one city, idealy the Capitol/SHQ position. Higher Tier assets are more upkeep efficient, so that makes bigger cities more interesting. Assets more then 6 hexes from "their" city, cause administrative strain. Adminsitrative Strain over 10% can cause production reduction. Usually you pick new cities to aleviate that problem. Terrain is important. While hard terrain makes the city a lot easier defendable by Infantry, it also increases the cost for road and rail access dramatically. The best terrain is ruins, as it offers all the defense for no relevant cost increase.

Mina -> RE: Any tips on starting new colonies? (2/4/2021 11:12:39 AM)
Oh yeah I forgot to mention, because higher tier buildings offer both more production AND more cost-effective production, you're best off concentrating everything in a single large city where your SHQ is placed, other zones are for resource extraction mainly. Size III gives you a large enough population base to run a bunch of resource extraction, as well as your private economy stuff like farms/qol/etc. There might be a point where a single megacity and its SHQ might not have enough logistical points to manage the entire zone's pull/push requirements, in which case you'd need to figure out a location for a new megacity and its assorted industries, along with a new SHQ. I haven't encountered it yet personally

BlueTemplar -> RE: Any tips on starting new colonies? (2/4/2021 11:15:57 AM)
- You might (or might not) actually want to make new cities without even hitting 10% admin strain with your old ones if you're interested in having more city-only assets (but higher levels of the city-only assets you already have are generally a better idea). But of course your regime needs to have enough unemployed population/colonists, otherwise you'll have to shut down public or private assets or live with the inefficiency. - Have a good governor ready for the turn after you create the city. - Start with your Zone unincorporated for higher population happiness growth, and so that its initially zero civilization score doesn't impact yours. This will also give more resources for the private sector to build up. - Increase worker pay 1 millicredit at a time until it hits 70+ happiness and rising : you won't have many workers to start with anyway, and their salaries will help the private sector. Lower it 1 millicredit at a time when it hits 80+. - Add some direct investment of your own too, as this increases population happiness. You might be later able to convert population happiness (easier to achieve) into worker happiness (harder to achieve) via a faction "worker privileges" card.

Uemon -> RE: Any tips on starting new colonies? (2/4/2021 12:20:49 PM)
Get colonists, build QOL buildings, play QOL cards, send more colonists. Early on, only do this if there are big deposits that are farther than 6 hexes away from your city. Mina and zgrssd made all the important points. Overall the power of cities lies in city hex only buildings that you can unlock with economic council, which allow you to produce resources inside your cities (and thus not rely on external metal/rares/food etc). With every level efficiency of those buildings increases, so essentially you can run an empire from a level V city (200.000 pop). The problem with small cities is that they will grow very slowly and you can only build low level buildings, which give very few resources. So unless you dump a lot of colonists (which still have to come from somewhere) try not to overdo it because it will take a while before those new cities become really economically relevant (on their own, access to resources still counts obviously).

KarisFraMauro -> RE: Any tips on starting new colonies? (2/4/2021 12:23:47 PM)
Speaking of city improvement cards, what governs the militia headquarters one? I've never even seen it before my current game, and it doesn't look like it's connected with any particular profile. Maybe I missed it though.

Uemon -> RE: Any tips on starting new colonies? (2/4/2021 12:28:19 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: KarisFraMauro Speaking of city improvement cards, what governs the militia headquarters one? I've never even seen it before my current game, and it doesn't look like it's connected with any particular profile. Maybe I missed it though. I am 90% sure it is connected with profile, i believe its fist related card?

Maerchen -> RE: Any tips on starting new colonies? (2/4/2021 1:43:30 PM)
It is an autocracy card. I am wrong, it is fist.

BlueTemplar -> RE: Any tips on starting new colonies? (2/4/2021 1:45:36 PM)
Oh, also, you probably want to Allow Emergency Food, wouldn't want your newly arrived population to starve ! Whether it arrived via migration or via colonists - I guess that in some situation you might want to dump colonists on it as population rather than workers if you have enough workers but still need more populace to upgrade the city ASAP?

KarisFraMauro -> RE: Any tips on starting new colonies? (2/4/2021 2:24:39 PM)
Digging a little deeper you are indeed correct, it's volunteerism at fist 40. But it isn't listed in the profile as far as I can see, you have to look in the encyclopedia.

Clux -> RE: Any tips on starting new colonies? (2/4/2021 3:29:49 PM)
Make sure that the new city its on a strategic position, it must be nearby of resources, a good defensive position (due terrain) or in the worst case, make sure that it will be useful to keep expanding towards the wilderness-non aligned to conquer other regimes (kinda like an Outpost)

zgrssd -> RE: Any tips on starting new colonies? (2/4/2021 3:54:09 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: KarisFraMauro Digging a little deeper you are indeed correct, it's volunteerism at fist 40. But it isn't listed in the profile as far as I can see, you have to look in the encyclopedia. Stratagems given to you by happy factions based on the current Profile do not appear in the Profile page. It has been reported as a bug a few times now, I think.

KarisFraMauro -> RE: Any tips on starting new colonies? (2/4/2021 3:56:55 PM)
Huh. I thought maybe it might be a bug, either that or something related to the version played.

yutowap33 -> RE: Any tips on starting new colonies? (2/4/2021 5:15:03 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Mina - Start by building a railhead and Truck station on the tile you want to put your new city at. They're 1 turn to build and essential, because getting materials and food to your new city's incredibly important. - Try to have cards like Zoo/Commercial Project available before starting a new zone. You're going to need to have your worker morale at 50 or better in order to get ** built in a reasonable timeframe, if worker morale is bad then you'll struggle to convert pop into workers, so you won't have enough people to build your QoL **, so morale won't start improving, and repeat ad nauseum. - Investor Backing is also good to play on new cities because it provides a random but static amount of money. Private investment scales depending on existing population That pretty much what I did. I used 10k colonist, only went for Rail station and no Truck station (hopping that civil authority will take care of the latter in this remote community), and used my spare zone cards to boost the colonies (I built 2 to see how they compare). I am little confused about private investment expansion, is there some build order and timer between constructions? because both colonies started by building a farming community, and now despite having pile of cash in private funds has no next project

newageofpower -> RE: Any tips on starting new colonies? (2/4/2021 5:28:01 PM)
They need enough unemployed civilians (population, not workers) as future employees to keep building stuff.

yutowap33 -> RE: Any tips on starting new colonies? (2/4/2021 5:40:17 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: BlueTemplar Oh, also, you probably want to Allow Emergency Food, wouldn't want your newly arrived population to starve ! When it's a good idea not to allow emergency food? I was scared by it once, since then I always do, not sure what the disadvantages are. quote: ORIGINAL: BlueTemplar - Start with your Zone unincorporated for higher population happiness growth, and so that its initially zero civilization score doesn't impact yours. This will also give more resources for the private sector to build up. - Increase worker pay 1 millicredit at a time until it hits 70+ happiness and rising : you won't have many workers to start with anyway, and their salaries will help the private sector. Lower it 1 millicredit at a time when it hits 80+. I definitely missed that. quote: ORIGINAL: Uemon Overall the power of cities lies in city hex only buildings that you can unlock with economic council, which allow you to produce resources inside your cities (and thus not rely on external metal/rares/food etc). What buildings you consider to have the most benefit? Also a while back someone mentioned that extra zones made their empire flourish economically, any idea what he was referring? (I don't see anything in the trade report that might lend to that)

newageofpower -> RE: Any tips on starting new colonies? (2/4/2021 5:59:46 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: yutowap33 What buildings you consider to have the most benefit? Also a while back someone mentioned that extra zones made their empire flourish economically, any idea what he was referring? (I don't see anything in the trade report that might lend to that) Commerce/Light Industry spam is pretty strong early/midgame. Though in the newest beta, the private sector turns off everything to build more Farms....

BlueTemplar -> RE: Any tips on starting new colonies? (2/4/2021 8:42:55 PM)
quote: When it's a good idea not to allow emergency food? I was scared by it once, since then I always do, not sure what the disadvantages are. Probably when you're short on public food, and prefer to see it go to your soldiers or public workers rather than the population ?

zgrssd -> RE: Any tips on starting new colonies? (2/4/2021 9:58:24 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: yutowap33 quote: ORIGINAL: Mina - Start by building a railhead and Truck station on the tile you want to put your new city at. They're 1 turn to build and essential, because getting materials and food to your new city's incredibly important. - Try to have cards like Zoo/Commercial Project available before starting a new zone. You're going to need to have your worker morale at 50 or better in order to get ** built in a reasonable timeframe, if worker morale is bad then you'll struggle to convert pop into workers, so you won't have enough people to build your QoL *, so morale won't start improving, and repeat ad nauseum. - Investor Backing is also good to play on new cities because it provides a random but static amount of money. Private investment scales depending on existing population That pretty much what I did. I used 10k colonist, only went for Rail station and no Truck station (hopping that civil authority will take care of the latter in this remote community), and used my spare zone cards to boost the colonies (I built 2 to see how they compare). I am little confused about private investment expansion, is there some build order and timer between constructions? because both colonies started by building a farming community, and now despite having pile of cash in private funds has no next project quote:* ORIGINAL: newageofpower They need enough unemployed civilians (population, not workers) as future employees to keep building stuff. ^^That The private economy can even mothball facilities, but does not seem to scrap. Especially new colonies will often have a severe lack of non-worker population. This can drive private Worker salaries as high as 7 miliCredits, wich also makes it hard to maintain a workforce. But I am pretty sure a high Private Pay and unfilled Worker jobs should be a incentive for migration.

Mina -> RE: Any tips on starting new colonies? (2/5/2021 8:09:17 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: yutowap33 I am little confused about private investment expansion, is there some build order and timer between constructions? because both colonies started by building a farming community, and now despite having pile of cash in private funds has no next project I have no idea how it all works, but occasionally I've seen it go from no next project to deciding to build something once I chucked enough credits in. It'll only show up on next turn though.

BlueTemplar -> RE: Any tips on starting new colonies? (2/5/2021 10:00:48 AM)
Oh, also about worker salary and worker happiness : It seems like when you raise it, the immediate worker happiness increase is +5/millicredit (not having to do it millicredit by millecredit should save you quite a bit of PP on the first setup !). However, when you lower the salary, the immediate happiness decrease seems to be a function relative to the relative decrease in pay : In the most extreme case, going from a pay of 1 credit per thousand workers to 0 decreases their happiness from 80+ to 0 at once ! (Don't do that, lol.) (I think council leader relation works in a similar way where their budget is concerned ?)

yutowap33 -> RE: Any tips on starting new colonies? (2/6/2021 11:05:38 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: BlueTemplar - Start with your Zone unincorporated for higher population happiness growth, and so that its initially zero civilization score doesn't impact yours. This will also give more resources for the private sector to build up. I thought you meant the happiness reduction due to QOL score being bellow national civilization level, but I have set both of my colonies to unincorporated and I am still plagued by it. Can you clarify?

BlueTemplar -> RE: Any tips on starting new colonies? (2/6/2021 11:15:02 PM)
IIRC QOL score doesn't (directly) impact Population happiness, you might be confusing with Worker happiness ? And supposedly having the zone unincorporated increases Population happiness growth, though I haven't really been able to confirm, maybe it happens indirectly because the population generally ends up with more food to sell and credits for luxury products and services ? BTW, I'm getting the impression that the public sector doesn't know how to use Industrial Points, so if the Zone is Unincorporated those from Light Industry end up wasted "thrown in a ditch somewhere" ? (EDIT : Which would really be a shame, if like me, you've managed to get a Light Industry 2 in your Capital very early on by combining private sector "prodding" to build the lvl 1 and the "Eager Industrialist" fate stratagem to upgrade it, just to then waste all those IPs because you set your Capital to Unincorporated to raise Population happiness...)

yutowap33 -> RE: Any tips on starting new colonies? (2/6/2021 11:37:16 PM)
Mouse hover over Population/worker happiness show the exact same lines (in terms of QOL) for both my unincoporated and incorporated zones. iirc unincorporated zones benefit from no happiness loss due to combat losses. That is true for my two new zones but not for my unincorporated colonies, maybe this has todo with cultural adaption score? (colonies start with 100)

BlueTemplar -> RE: Any tips on starting new colonies? (2/7/2021 12:13:51 AM)
Ah, never mind, population happiness is affected by QOL, but only *Zone* QOL (and compared to *Zone* Civ score, and those will eventually even out), but Population doesn't (directly ?) care about Regime's average Civilization Score and/or Civilization Level ? The manual says : quote: 5.3.11.4. reGular and unInCorPorated zones You�ll start the game with only Regular Zones, but conquest will give you an Unincorporated Zone. An Unincorporated Zone has a certain level of independence and it is not fully integrated with your other Zones. Unincorporated Zones have the following different rules: � You still receive Service Tax from the Zone. � You do not receive Private Asset Tax from Private Assets. Private Assets thus do not provide you with any Items. � The Zone Stats do not impact your Regime Stats, like your Popularity or Culture Level. � No Sales or Income Tax will be imposed. � Regime casualties have no impact on the Population Happiness and Loyalty. � No Recruitment of Colonists or Recruits is possible, but you can still recruit Workers. � No Cultural Adjustment will take place. � Unincorporated Zones have double the Happiness growth up to 75 points, compared to Regular Zones. You can order an Unincorporated Zone to become a Regular Zone at any moment you like. Just call your Governor to discuss Zone Orders. In general, it is a good idea to leave a conquered Zone Unincorporated for a while, either to get Population Happiness restored as quickly as possible or to ensure you keep benefiting from the option to use their possibly unique Militia forces. P.S.: Maybe the manual is outdated/wrong on this last � ? P.P.S.: Also, is that double happiness growth only for Population, or maybe also for Workers too ?

zgrssd -> RE: Any tips on starting new colonies? (2/7/2021 1:49:13 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: BlueTemplar Ah, never mind, population happiness is affected by QOL, but only *Zone* QOL (and compared to *Zone* Civ score, and those will eventually even out), but Population doesn't (directly ?) care about Regime's average Civilization Score and/or Civilization Level ? The manual says : quote: 5.3.11.4. reGular and unInCorPorated zones You�ll start the game with only Regular Zones, but conquest will give you an Unincorporated Zone. An Unincorporated Zone has a certain level of independence and it is not fully integrated with your other Zones. Unincorporated Zones have the following different rules: � You still receive Service Tax from the Zone. � You do not receive Private Asset Tax from Private Assets. Private Assets thus do not provide you with any Items. � The Zone Stats do not impact your Regime Stats, like your Popularity or Culture Level. � No Sales or Income Tax will be imposed. � Regime casualties have no impact on the Population Happiness and Loyalty. � No Recruitment of Colonists or Recruits is possible, but you can still recruit Workers. � No Cultural Adjustment will take place. � Unincorporated Zones have double the Happiness growth up to 75 points, compared to Regular Zones. You can order an Unincorporated Zone to become a Regular Zone at any moment you like. Just call your Governor to discuss Zone Orders. In general, it is a good idea to leave a conquered Zone Unincorporated for a while, either to get Population Happiness restored as quickly as possible or to ensure you keep benefiting from the option to use their possibly unique Militia forces. P.S.: Maybe the manual is outdated/wrong on this last � ? P.P.S.: Also, is that double happiness growth only for Population, or maybe also for Workers too ? On happiness: I think unincorporated zones have a certain loyalty growth. Loyalty drags up happiness if it is higher, but takes damage doing so. Loyalty is dragged up by Happiness in return.

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