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ORIGINAL: MrsWargamer
What made some of the past wargames great, was they weren't so overburdened by nauseating levels of micro-detail.

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ORIGINAL: Lobster

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ORIGINAL: MrsWargamer
What made some of the past wargames great, was they weren't so overburdened by nauseating levels of micro-detail.

The game at the pinnacle of micro detail is a game produced by SPI back in the day. Campaign for North Africa. I bought it. No words can describe the level of micro management. How much water was lost to evaporation and spillage due to poorly designed jerry cans. [:D]

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ORIGINAL: RFalvo69

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ORIGINAL: Lobster

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ORIGINAL: MrsWargamer
What made some of the past wargames great, was they weren't so overburdened by nauseating levels of micro-detail.

The game at the pinnacle of micro detail is a game produced by SPI back in the day. Campaign for North Africa. I bought it. No words can describe the level of micro management. How much water was lost to evaporation and spillage due to poorly designed jerry cans. [:D]

Sheldon demonstrated on "The Big Bang Theory" that the game is playable. By him, at least [:D]

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ORIGINAL: MrsWargamer

Would someone clue in Ranger Joe that I am long since past caring a single iota what he has to say about ANYTHING I post.

He's a miserable little **** at best, and clearly trolling my posts just to interject yet another reason to be told to cut it out.

Seriously Joe, I've tried, I'm done trying. Piss off, stay out of my comments. I could NOT care less what your lot in life is like. You've made it plain, you can't just shut up and play nice.

I tried blocking you, clearly you can't block me. I'd gladly accept a month-long ban if I could be assured you had to spend it with me.

Is that clear enough Joe?

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ORIGINAL: MrsWargamer

Fortunately, Hasborg doesn't own the history.

WW2 really happened. So did the war in the desert. You might not be able to call it Afrika Korps, but the terrain is what it is, the units that fought there are what they were, and Nato symbology isn't owned by Hasborg.

Slightly change the artwork. Slightly change the wording of the mechanics. Presto, it's just a game of actual history.

What made some of the past wargames great, was they weren't so overburdened by nauseating levels of micro-detail. And you didn't need to have a degree in history to enjoy playing them. You didn't need 3 weeks to master the rules. A turn didn't take all day long.

We have done it to ourselves willingly, and aggressively and knowingly. The main difference between Gary's War in the East and Russian Campaign, simplicity. Which War in the East sure as hell doesn't have.

Squad leader, I might have ended with Cross of Iron. It would have benefited from nation sets, no further complexity. New maps sets. New scenarios. But we just wouldn't leave it alone. It couldn't just be woods. It had to be more variations of the same modifier, but supposedly different looking terrain. After all, we need to know if it is an apple orchard, or a stand of Christmas trees eh.

I don't care what's loaded on each and every fricking ship in the Pacific. I bought War in the Pacific before I realized how absolutely anal the experience was going to be. I don't want to follow a pilot's training. I want a carrier, I don't want to watch it get built. Just because our computers can handle all the details, doesn't mean I really even want it to. Some say they do. I think they're weird (I would rather use more accurate language, but I won't).

One of my favourite Russian front games is the board game Russian Front (I guess claiming a name first has it's advantages). Modest sized board.
One game I thought I wanted, but failed to purchase, and I'm glad of it, was Fire in the East. a 6x8 foot map. Who the bloody hell thought that was a good idea? Did they even sell enough copies to make it worth making it?

A perfect wargame, a perfect any game is playable in a single sitting. Not several months, several hours.
A perfect wargame, is such, you can play it, and several other designs as well, within a month. It doesn't demand you faithfully play it and never have the time for anything else.

Today, people simply have no attention span worth a damn. In fact, a FB post this long won't get read.
People want it now now now. Read rules, you're kidding, right?
It isn't a young people thing, adults are no better.

And we have to debate why wargaming is not doing so well?
It's obvious.

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ORIGINAL: DeepBlack

Did anyone ever play by snail mail
using the newspaper stock market as a random die
roll generator?

A Panzerblitz scenario could take
months to finish. In fact, I always lost and
conceded to avoid the torture of a very looooong
losing experience.

Having to keep a board map in cryogenic
stasis for long periods, free of thunderstorm drafts or marauding kittens
was also a technical challenge.

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ORIGINAL: RangerJoe

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ORIGINAL: DeepBlack

Did anyone ever play by snail mail
using the newspaper stock market as a random die
roll generator?

A Panzerblitz scenario could take
months to finish. In fact, I always lost and
conceded to avoid the torture of a very looooong
losing experience.

Having to keep a board map in cryogenic
stasis for long periods, free of thunderstorm drafts or marauding kittens
was also a technical challenge.

Yes, I have PBMed. PBEM is a lot faster and easier to reset the game board with all of the units and settings involved.

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ORIGINAL: LarryP

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ORIGINAL: RangerJoe

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ORIGINAL: DeepBlack

Did anyone ever play by snail mail
using the newspaper stock market as a random die
roll generator?

A Panzerblitz scenario could take
months to finish. In fact, I always lost and
conceded to avoid the torture of a very looooong
losing experience.

Having to keep a board map in cryogenic
stasis for long periods, free of thunderstorm drafts or marauding kittens
was also a technical challenge.

Yes, I have PBMed. PBEM is a lot faster and easier to reset the game board with all of the units and settings involved.

Wasn't DB talking about snail mail... mailing a disk through the mail for turns? I thought he was being funny asking that. I can't imagine how long turns would take then! [X(][X(][X(]

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ORIGINAL: DeepBlack

Did anyone ever play by snail mail
using the newspaper stock market as a random die
roll generator?

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ORIGINAL: Aurelian

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ORIGINAL: MrsWargamer

Would someone clue in Ranger Joe that I am long since past caring a single iota what he has to say about ANYTHING I post.

He's a miserable little **** at best, and clearly trolling my posts just to interject yet another reason to be told to cut it out.

Seriously Joe, I've tried, I'm done trying. Piss off, stay out of my comments. I could NOT care less what your lot in life is like. You've made it plain, you can't just shut up and play nice.

I tried blocking you, clearly you can't block me. I'd gladly accept a month-long ban if I could be assured you had to spend it with me.

Is that clear enough Joe?

The green button has no expiration date. The trick is to keep it pressed. Otherwise this will just keep circling the toilet until both of you get the management's plunger.

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ORIGINAL: MrsWargamer

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ORIGINAL: Aurelian

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ORIGINAL: MrsWargamer

Would someone clue in Ranger Joe that I am long since past caring a single iota what he has to say about ANYTHING I post.

He's a miserable little **** at best, and clearly trolling my posts just to interject yet another reason to be told to cut it out.

Seriously Joe, I've tried, I'm done trying. Piss off, stay out of my comments. I could NOT care less what your lot in life is like. You've made it plain, you can't just shut up and play nice.

I tried blocking you, clearly you can't block me. I'd gladly accept a month-long ban if I could be assured you had to spend it with me.

Is that clear enough Joe?

The green button has no expiration date. The trick is to keep it pressed. Otherwise this will just keep circling the toilet until both of you get the management's plunger.

If management doesn't speak to him about it in ways that matter, I can assure you, he will experience what a woman's wrath looks like. I'm sure as hell not interested in him playing the victim game with me.
This forum is full of a lot of great men. I'm on record as having said so. I simply won't tolerate one jack ass thinking he's beyond touch. I come here to have discussions about many things, including wargames. I'm not interested in putting up with his not remotely acceptable snide remarks which he will claim were entirely within the rules. To claim his behaviour is 'acceptable' is either outright denial or an affront to the forums management.

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ORIGINAL: MrsWargamer

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ORIGINAL: Aurelian

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ORIGINAL: MrsWargamer

Would someone clue in Ranger Joe that I am long since past caring a single iota what he has to say about ANYTHING I post.

He's a miserable little **** at best, and clearly trolling my posts just to interject yet another reason to be told to cut it out.

Seriously Joe, I've tried, I'm done trying. Piss off, stay out of my comments. I could NOT care less what your lot in life is like. You've made it plain, you can't just shut up and play nice.

I tried blocking you, clearly you can't block me. I'd gladly accept a month-long ban if I could be assured you had to spend it with me.

Is that clear enough Joe?

The green button has no expiration date. The trick is to keep it pressed. Otherwise this will just keep circling the toilet until both of you get the management's plunger.

If management doesn't speak to him about it in ways that matter, I can assure you, he will experience what a woman's wrath looks like. I'm sure as hell not interested in him playing the victim game with me.
This forum is full of a lot of great men. I'm on record as having said so. I simply won't tolerate one jack ass thinking he's beyond touch. I come here to have discussions about many things, including wargames. I'm not interested in putting up with his not remotely acceptable snide remarks which he will claim were entirely within the rules. To claim his behaviour is 'acceptable' is either outright denial or an affront to the forums management.