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BlinkingDuck -> This game is freaking amazing. (2/15/2021 1:11:03 AM)

I mean seriously! A game that is so vast in scope and so detailed but still can get stories like this about such 'small' things...

1) Lone Buffalo pilot likely left at his AF base in the NW Philippines probably because his unit was pulled back South but he was left there with his damaged plane which got fixed and so he carried out his last orders...which is to intercept a flight of 53 FIFTY THREE Japanese bombers in his Buffalo. He comes screaming in...shoots down one bomber! Circles around and shoots down another! Is out of ammo so withdraws.

Or the 5 PT boats hanging around in the same area. Area THICK with Japanese planes and ships. Suffer 2 air attacks which do nothing. At night, twice...2 days in a row they drink some whiskey and rush a HUGE Japanese invasion convoy complete with a bazillion destroyers, light cruisers, I think 2 heavy cruisers and a battleship. They come rushing in... at night so they must not be that stupid...to attack. Shells raining down all around them...closing...more shells...closing...more shells...let loose the torpedoes! turn around and run with shells all around them. Twice over 2 days without taking any hits. Of course, their torpedoes missed...



RangerJoe -> RE: This game is freaking amazing. (2/15/2021 1:21:14 AM)

I have a PT Boat with a skipper whose Naval and Aggression were in their twenties torpedo three sinks in three consecutive nights. I think that some if not all of those ships sank.



BBfanboy -> RE: This game is freaking amazing. (2/15/2021 2:48:30 AM)


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ORIGINAL: RangerJoe

I have a PT Boat with a skipper whose Naval and Aggression were in their twenties torpedo three sinks in three consecutive nights. I think that some if not all of those ships sank.

Was that the kitchen sink he attacked or the bathroom one? Or maybe the utility sink in the laundry area?



Trugrit -> RE: This game is freaking amazing. (2/15/2021 10:10:08 AM)


This game is certainly amazing. It is similar to a Russian Matryoshka nesting doll.

There seems to always be another level that will delight you even after years of play.




RangerJoe -> RE: This game is freaking amazing. (2/15/2021 11:43:29 AM)


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ORIGINAL: BBfanboy


quote:

ORIGINAL: RangerJoe

I have a PT Boat with a skipper whose Naval and Aggression were in their twenties torpedo three sinks in three consecutive nights. I think that some if not all of those ships sank.

Was that the kitchen sink he attacked or the bathroom one? Or maybe the utility sink in the laundry area?


He attacked all of those sinks. Of course, they were on ships at the time![;)]



dasboot1960 -> RE: This game is freaking amazing. (2/16/2021 4:13:20 PM)

This game IS freaking amazing.



WEXF -> RE: This game is freaking amazing. (2/16/2021 4:26:35 PM)

Here's another example:
A small 900 ton Australian patrol boat encounters a giant enemy fleet, engages it at over 10,000 yards, takes fire from numerous heavy combat ships, is hit 4 times and causes the enemy fleet to run for safety. The Swan suffered only 29 system damage and the fire was out immediately. In the ship data it says that the last hit was from a 36cm/45 which is the main battery of the BB.

[image]local://upfiles/74029/F0C97D50092B4380BF5C1CCCD07AF6BA.jpg[/image]



RangerJoe -> RE: This game is freaking amazing. (2/16/2021 4:29:43 PM)

If that BB was firing AP and not HE, the hull of the target was so thin that the shell would not slow down enough to explode.

The Japanese TF was a carrier TF which is designed to retreat from surface threats - of any size.



WEXF -> RE: This game is freaking amazing. (2/16/2021 5:09:22 PM)

Who knows what type of shells the other 3 hits were? One of the hits caused a fire. Looks like they came from a CA and some destroyers. Quite a day for the Swan!



dasboot1960 -> RE: This game is freaking amazing. (2/16/2021 6:31:11 PM)

I have had several engagements where single 'destroyer types' have disrupted or appeared to impact ops out of all proportion to relative TF sizes. Not whinin, just sayin. After all, a couple PBs almost ruined the Doolittle mission



Maallon -> RE: This game is freaking amazing. (2/16/2021 6:51:29 PM)

I would also say that the 36cm/45 was likely a passthrough hit, an exploding 36cm HE Shell would have likely one-shot the Swan or at least severely damaged it.
But it is an achievement on its own that the Hyuga hit such a small target from 11000-12000 Yards away, with its Main Battery, in the first place [:D]

And yes, this is truly a magnificent game and you guys seem to have found your own unique way in enjoying it [;)]



WEXF -> RE: This game is freaking amazing. (2/16/2021 9:24:30 PM)

Here is some more info on this action against the Swan. In the combat animation there are these statements:
"Fire Control System Damaged"
"Upper works hit"
"Upper works carried away"
"hit by 12.7cm 40T89 AA" (there are 2 of these)
Wex



WEXF -> RE: This game is freaking amazing. (2/16/2021 10:15:47 PM)

Here is a screenshot from the combat animation of when the Swan was hit by Hyuga.
Interesting!

[image]local://upfiles/74029/77547D0ECE5141E790522DFE4DA3915A.jpg[/image]



Lokasenna -> RE: This game is freaking amazing. (2/17/2021 5:46:24 AM)


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ORIGINAL: RangerJoe

If that BB was firing AP and not HE, the hull of the target was so thin that the shell would not slow down enough to explode.

The Japanese TF was a carrier TF which is designed to retreat from surface threats - of any size.


My one complaint about this is that fleeing from these combats tends to override their overall strategic orders (e.g., remain on station, proceed to this hex, etc.) and make them return to base. It can muck up an entire battle. Have had that happen several times from otherwise inconsequential surface contacts with pissant tuna boats.



Ambassador -> RE: This game is freaking amazing. (2/17/2021 5:49:29 AM)

It hit the top of the radio mast and obliterated it.[:D]



Maallon -> RE: This game is freaking amazing. (2/17/2021 7:38:09 AM)

Okay, the Swan is definitely in some serious luck streak [:D]
And the Crew of the Hyuga is likely biting their Nails of at the moment.



HansBolter -> RE: This game is freaking amazing. (2/17/2021 10:17:24 AM)


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ORIGINAL: WEXF

Who knows what type of shells the other 3 hits were? One of the hits caused a fire. Looks like they came from a CA and some destroyers. Quite a day for the Swan!


This is why watching at least some combat animations is important.

I always escape out of aerial bombardments of ground targets as there is really nothing to see, but air bombing of naval targets and especially surface naval fights should always be watched to learn what was hit by what.

A report of 15 shell hits on a ship doesn't tell you if those hits were from 20mm AA guns or 16" naval rifles.



WEXF -> RE: This game is freaking amazing. (2/17/2021 2:32:10 PM)

BTW there also was a report in the combat animation that the name of the TF commander of the Japanese fleet was Tamon Yamiguchi. That was more intel. Every little bit helps. It appears that he was put in command at a cost of some PP.
WEX



RangerJoe -> RE: This game is freaking amazing. (2/17/2021 2:46:42 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Trugrit


This game is certainly amazing. It is similar to a Russian Matryoshka nesting doll.

There seems to always be another level that will delight you even after years of play.




Or onions. Lots of tears for each layer but something good when all is said and done.



821Bobo -> RE: This game is freaking amazing. (2/17/2021 6:27:03 PM)

I would be more worried about the TF composition. Any sub the TF will step over will have a shot on the big ships. Add DDs.



n01487477 -> RE: This game is freaking amazing. (2/19/2021 10:37:53 AM)

One of the best written AAR's was about the Hibiki ... I know it is from the original WITP but well worth it ... https://www.matrixgames.com/FORUMS/tm.asp?m=1363103&mpage=1&key=



Reg -> RE: This game is freaking amazing. (2/20/2021 5:20:25 AM)


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ORIGINAL: n01487477

One of the best written AAR's was about the Hibiki ... I know it is from the original WITP but well worth it ... https://www.matrixgames.com/FORUMS/tm.asp?m=1363103&mpage=1&key=



About time that came up again for the next generation..... [:)]

An absolute must read and motivator for new players. [sm=happy0065.gif]




Ambassador -> RE: This game is freaking amazing. (2/20/2021 8:04:27 AM)

Yeah, Captain Ishii, Seaman Taiki, and all the rests. A great work !

I feel sad every time I see the Hibiki sunk in my games.[:(]



BlinkingDuck -> RE: This game is freaking amazing. (2/20/2021 5:42:35 PM)

Air Force pilots in the Philippines? Damn guys, you did well. You are being overwhelmed now but, my God you shot down many Japanese!

Dutch Naval force (with one American ship) engaging a superior surface force and, while getting bloodied, gave more than you got!

Free French garrison defending an island? 6 Days and you are still not taken out yet!

However...

The Flying Tigers? I think maybe they have a good publicist. ****...Those guys are pathetic. Getting bullied wherever they try to defend. They can't defend broccoli from an 8 year old boy.

I love it!



RangerJoe -> RE: This game is freaking amazing. (2/20/2021 6:52:45 PM)

This is just a bit of advice.

Please do not use the "*" nor the word itself as that is a violation of the forum rules. There are other words that can be used. I am not a moderator but they may notice such things.

quote:

. . . Changing a single letter in a four letter word or using asterisks to transparently disguise your clear intent while achieving the same effect is a blatant violation of the spirit of the forum rules as well as the letter. . . .


htps://www.matrixgames.com/forums/tm.asp?m=2045467&mpage=1&key=forum%2Crules

As far as the Flying Tigers go, many people have made good use of them. But they, like all other weapons in the game, my not always perform the way that you expect them to.



BBfanboy -> RE: This game is freaking amazing. (2/20/2021 10:45:18 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: RangerJoe

This is just a bit of advice.

Please do not use the "*" nor the word itself as that is a violation of the forum rules. There are other words that can be used. I am not a moderator but they may notice such things.

quote:

. . . Changing a single letter in a four letter word or using asterisks to transparently disguise your clear intent while achieving the same effect is a blatant violation of the spirit of the forum rules as well as the letter. . . .


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As far as the Flying Tigers go, many people have made good use of them. But they, like all other weapons in the game, my not always perform the way that you expect them to.


They need the best pilots, a great leader and surprise to succeed. Most players fly them into a base in China (preferably on a RR) that is being constantly bombed by unescorted bombers. Do CAP for one turn to shoot down a mess of bombers and then skedaddle back to their home base.
If they are to oppose enemy fighters, you need to get the right altitude for the aircraft type. Second best maneuver altitude is a rule of thumb.



jdsrae -> RE: This game is freaking amazing. (2/21/2021 2:30:33 AM)


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ORIGINAL: Ambassador

Yeah, Captain Ishii, Seaman Taiki, and all the rests. A great work !

I feel sad every time I see the Hibiki sunk in my games.[:(]


This is the state of my DD Hibiki at the moment after a misadventure in the Aleutians a few months ago...
LCDR Ishii and crew are on their way to a shipyard and a few weeks of leave.

[image]local://upfiles/34194/92902AA185744F36B5CE5201488E8911.jpg[/image]



Ambassador -> RE: This game is freaking amazing. (2/21/2021 7:06:27 AM)

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ORIGINAL: jdsrae


quote:

ORIGINAL: Ambassador

Yeah, Captain Ishii, Seaman Taiki, and all the rests. A great work !

I feel sad every time I see the Hibiki sunk in my games.[:(]


This is the state of my DD Hibiki at the moment after a misadventure in the Aleutians a few months ago...
LCDR Ishii and crew are on their way to a shipyard and a few weeks of leave.

[image]local://upfiles/34194/92902AA185744F36B5CE5201488E8911.jpg[/image]

Playing bumper cars with mines is usually not a great idea...[:(][:-]


EDIT : wasn’t Hibiki damaged during the Aleutian campaign IRL ?



BlinkingDuck -> RE: This game is freaking amazing. (2/21/2021 4:23:03 PM)

ALRIGHT MEN! The larger group ahead of us just got their butts kicked and are retreating! We need to buy them time to get back towards Singapore! We may be outnumbered but we got our fortifications up and we only need 3-4 days! We are the rear guard. Isn't that exciting!

{man in dungeress speaks} Sir! We are willing to lay down our wrenches and pick up a rifle and help!

{officer looks at him like he is dumb} What are you talking about! Get your butts down toward Singapore!

...but sir, we can fight!

NONSENSE! You are much more valuable with a wrench in your hand than a rifle!


I love this game. What other game asks you to make that decision and to have mechanics have such value :)



Ambassador -> RE: This game is freaking amazing. (2/22/2021 5:45:34 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: BBfanboy


quote:

ORIGINAL: RangerJoe

This is just a bit of advice.

Please do not use the "*" nor the word itself as that is a violation of the forum rules. There are other words that can be used. I am not a moderator but they may notice such things.

quote:

. . . Changing a single letter in a four letter word or using asterisks to transparently disguise your clear intent while achieving the same effect is a blatant violation of the spirit of the forum rules as well as the letter. . . .


htps://www.matrixgames.com/forums/tm.asp?m=2045467&mpage=1&key=forum%2Crules

As far as the Flying Tigers go, many people have made good use of them. But they, like all other weapons in the game, my not always perform the way that you expect them to.


They need the best pilots, a great leader and surprise to succeed. Most players fly them into a base in China (preferably on a RR) that is being constantly bombed by unescorted bombers. Do CAP for one turn to shoot down a mess of bombers and then skedaddle back to their home base.
If they are to oppose enemy fighters, you need to get the right altitude for the aircraft type. Second best maneuver altitude is a rule of thumb.

Many people have unrealistic expectations regarding the Flying Tigers. They weren’t an elite combat fighter unit, they were good (or average to good) trained pilots, who did not have that much (if any?) real combat experience prior to December 7th, flying essentially what was a version of the P-40B/C. In-game, they have XP levels equivalent to the good British (or other CW) squadrons, which may reflect the two years of war and the rotation of pilots, which is 55 XP. Better than most US, except some HQ squadrons. But most of the IJ squadrons’ pilots have higher XP, often 65+. This makes a serious difference, especially when flying A6M or Ki-43.



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