RE: Centuur and rkr1958: a production masterclass

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warspite1 -> RE: Centuur and rkr1958: a production masterclass (3/28/2021 10:23:44 AM)
Mar/Apr 1940 End of Turn Germany I decide to use one of the Berlin oil and expend the whole point (in practice I may have decided to not reorganise 0.2 worth and save the oil, but for the purposes of this walk through I want to see how the program handles the change. Remember at this point the map shows 8 oil, the oil reorganisation screen assumes there are 8 oil, and the PP screen states there is only 6 (although it changed to 7 when I saved 1 less oil in the PP phase!). [image]local://upfiles/28156/E70938A2121147C5B92E2B575DA28205.jpg[/image]

warspite1 -> RE: Centuur and rkr1958: a production masterclass (3/28/2021 10:29:30 AM)
Mar/Apr 1940 End of Turn Italy Italy is okay. It shows the two previously saved oil available for reorganisation (the two received from trade can't be used) and both oil are used to keep the Regia Marina in play. So whatever problem is affecting Germany (seemingly once the trade agreement was set up), this is not translated to Italy in any way. [image]local://upfiles/28156/59611063597A419B872893F6714677DC.jpg[/image]

warspite1 -> RE: Centuur and rkr1958: a production masterclass (3/28/2021 10:38:59 AM)
Mar/Apr 1940 End of Turn Germany Something stranger still happens at Finalise Production stage.... The Saved at Start and Controlled numbers remain the same as when they changed at PP stage and pre-oil reorganisation. But in staying the same they are now showing the correct numbers. I mean how the hell? The Saved at Start shows 7 oil and there are 6 saved in Berlin and 1 in Lodz. This is correct as there were 7 in Berlin but 1 was spent in the oil reorganisation phase... In green we then see the 3 oil saved this turn. So incredibly the numbers have come out correct. There were 8 oil saved last turn, and of the 6 oil Germany receives, 3 oil were saved this turn while 2 were used in production and 1 sent to Italy under a trade agreement) = 11 and 1 was used in reorganisation. ?????? So the next thing I will do will be to play around with the numbers and see if this still comes out correctly. I will not spend an oil on reorganisation and in another test, perhaps save all four oil. If anybody has any comments on what happened in the run through - and did I miss something? - then I would be grateful. [image]local://upfiles/28156/9C9CDC7490C44C0A8D321F36B593ED6D.jpg[/image]

warspite1 -> RE: Centuur and rkr1958: a production masterclass (3/28/2021 11:54:40 AM)
Mar/Apr 1940 End of Turn So this is the 2nd Work Through. As said, this time I am going to make no changes from the program. This means there will be 4 saved oil (the only thing I do is switch the saved location to Lodz for 3 of them. Germany ....and as soon as I do... [image]local://upfiles/28156/2458C7DDC4414D11BE11F3FDC3AC4E85.jpg[/image]

warspite1 -> RE: Centuur and rkr1958: a production masterclass (3/28/2021 12:13:54 PM)
Mar/Apr 1940 End of Turn Germany So I don't reorganise any units with Germany this time [image]local://upfiles/28156/976AF57D4C8F423B9E1E1ECAAEC4FF9A.jpg[/image]

warspite1 -> RE: Centuur and rkr1958: a production masterclass (3/28/2021 12:20:38 PM)
Mar/Apr 1940 End of Turn Germany And the numbers come out correct.... 8 oil saved at the start + 4 saved (the other two going to production and Italy) - 0 for reorganisation. So is this something to do with the maximum number of oil allowed to be saved in Berlin? Did the program - thinking that 3 more were to be added to the 7 already saved in Berlin (meaning that 2 would be destroyed) decide to not show the excess? Is that what was happening here Steve? This would also fit in with the change in Post 147 when the Saved at Start increased by 1 to 7 when I moved 1 of the saved oils this turn to production. I mean if the program is accounting for potential overstack that is impressive. But is it? e.g. is there an order in which overstacked oil must be destroyed? If its saved oil first before oil received in trade agreements then this would be the prefect explanation for what has happened here - and with a bit of explanatory text on the form - would be a very useful tool to aid players. [image]local://upfiles/28156/39AE59D0AAD746128FCF4B960E919B3A.jpg[/image]

warspite1 -> RE: Centuur and rkr1958: a production masterclass (4/2/2021 5:00:17 AM)
So does anyone have any thoughts on the two scenarios posted and what the numbers for Germany could have meant?

Centuur -> RE: Centuur and rkr1958: a production masterclass (4/2/2021 10:02:05 AM)
To be honest, I've never checked if the number of saved oil points stated in this form are correct. So I don't know what the reason is those numbers are not what one would expect them to be.

warspite1 -> RE: Centuur and rkr1958: a production masterclass (4/3/2021 9:13:07 AM)
Okay thanks. I guess I need to wait for Steve to respond. It is a mystery where these numbers came from and a bigger mystery how the numbers came out right - especially in the first scenario. It's a shame, with a nice 4-day break I could have got quite a bit more done. This has been useful for me if no one else!

warspite1 -> RE: Centuur and rkr1958: a production masterclass (4/30/2021 7:05:18 AM)
Still nothing from Steve on this, but I understand he's been working hard on supply calculation issues for a while now. I would really like to continue with this. So hopefully not too much longer.

warspite1 -> RE: Centuur and rkr1958: a production masterclass (5/22/2021 8:08:52 AM)
Steve has responded to say that the counter is on his list of things to Fix. No date for this but I guess its a case of sit tight and wait. Hopefully we can get this thread up and running in due course.

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