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Bavre -> RE: The Montenegro Gambit (2/25/2021 10:00:59 PM)

The south however is simply a bloodbath:

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Bavre -> RE: The Montenegro Gambit (2/25/2021 10:07:57 PM)

In Serbia one corps managed to slip away by getting 2 retreats in a row. Hold still when I'm trying to kill you, dammit [:@]. However Serbias economy is gone and Bulgaria is only 2 turns away, so the Balkan is basically in the bag.

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Bavre -> RE: The Montenegro Gambit (2/25/2021 11:01:53 PM)


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ORIGINAL: BillRunacre


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ORIGINAL: Bavre

Btw, if Bill or Hubert are reading this: is the "unit boost from country surrender" cumulative with itself?


Yes, though having one surrender each turn (if possible) can also be good as it means the effect lasts for longer, though the usefulness of that depends on the tempo of your offensives of course.


Thanks for clearing that up. Just one more question: this effect seems to be identical for all countries, as far as my tests could tell. I mean I get such an effect when say Russia falls, but the end of some tiny minor throwing the entire CP in a frenzy (even if it's just temporarily) seems a bit over the top. So might it not be better to scale it to the surrendering nations size?



Bavre -> RE: The Montenegro Gambit (2/25/2021 11:08:38 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Tendraline

Congrats on mauling Russia so badly!

However, I assume that the troops on the Eastern Front were diverted from the West, giving France breathing room and giving a good chance of turning the war into a stalemate or a slow crawl on that front. Not saying you did anything wrong, just heads up on that :)


Thanks!

Yeah, the old conundrum. Both France and Russia can become major pains in the rear area if left alone too long. Going Schlieffen has the advantage that your lads are already in place and you can hit France like a truck, just check Dazos thread in the war room on that. All east has the advantage that your defensive front is much easier to secure. Not really sure what's in the end stronger. Mainly just did all east because I wanted to see if I can make it work.



shri -> RE: The Montenegro Gambit (2/26/2021 5:52:55 AM)

Got it, understood.

So, despite patch doing lots of wonders, Monte##### gambit can succeed and do deep wounds.



OldCrowBalthazor -> RE: The Montenegro Gambit (2/27/2021 4:11:44 AM)

Entente 4th Turn. 2nd Battle of Lutsk

2 AH corps are destroyed in a desperate counter attack as Gen Brusilov takes control of the 'situation'.
More than 60% of the Russians Forces within the pocket have linked up at Lutsk. To the south, a scratch force is formed and makes a run on the Tartar Gates...taking the passes.

Casualties are high but the spirit is stronger then the flesh! [sm=00000622.gif]

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OldCrowBalthazor -> RE: The Montenegro Gambit (2/27/2021 4:26:19 AM)

Northern Front stabilized as Yudenich (HQ 7) is pulled from his harem girls in the Caucasus to take command here.

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OldCrowBalthazor -> RE: The Montenegro Gambit (2/27/2021 4:41:17 AM)

Entente Turn 4

France makes limited probing attacks east..detrenching and damaging two German corps.

A child was heard in a nearby village asking, "Mommy, where are all the Englishmen?". [:D]

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OldCrowBalthazor -> RE: The Montenegro Gambit (2/27/2021 4:58:13 AM)

The first wave of French and UK forces arrive in Egypt....more are on their way. Australian forces have all been diverted to this AO. Seems the Ottomans are at 87% mobilization.

When I see the Montenegrin Gambit coming next time...I will authorize the Sultan Osman dreadnought to be sent on to the Sultan forthwith...this will delay the Ottoman Empire's entry into the War so we can be more than ready to take Palestine.

....and besides, I can just sink it then.[sm=innocent0009.gif]

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OldCrowBalthazor -> RE: The Montenegro Gambit (2/27/2021 5:16:02 AM)

Russian Naval Intelligence reports with High Confidence that there are no German Warships in the Baltic or in their ports. Seems they sallied out.

The old farts at the Admiralty snort and say, "We told you so!" [:D]

Nice test Bavre!!! I'm still in shock with the full implications of the Montenegro Gambit...but extreme setbacks warrant cool resolve to get back off the floor...and grab the offending wankers b$##s!..or try too anyway :))

cheers [sm=00000436.gif]

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Dazo -> RE: The Montenegro Gambit (2/27/2021 12:09:29 PM)


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ORIGINAL: OldCrowBalthazor

The first wave of French and UK forces arrive in Egypt....more are on their way. Australian forces have all been diverted to this AO. Seems the Ottomans are at 87% mobilization.

When I see the Montenegrin Gambit coming next time...I will authorize the Sultan Osman dreadnought to be sent on to the Sultan forthwith...this will delay the Ottoman Empire's entry into the War so we can be more than ready to take Palestine.

....and besides, I can just sink it then.[sm=innocent0009.gif]



That's an interesting plan I tried with the old game. Giving the sultan osman to OE also means Russia will get the Dardanelles trade 30 MPPs longer. It also makes OE entry time less predictable.
Sultan osman in OE hands is indeed a big fat floating NM piggy bank for Entente though it can make things a bit troublesome [:D].



Bavre -> RE: The Montenegro Gambit (2/27/2021 8:35:36 PM)

Not really sure how I feel about that Sultan Osman idea. It's not really because of the DN, but sacrificing 2000 Russian NM in the above situation?
And factoring in the polish trigger hex, Bulgaria is at 100% + Serbia will die in 2 turns at most. This results in a complete inner line + a lot of free troops for CP. While the above is sure to make a dent into the OE, CP will be quick to stop and reverse that.
Btw does declaring war on OE have any penalties for the Entente?



Bavre -> RE: The Montenegro Gambit (2/27/2021 8:54:23 PM)

This conludes our little test. Now that I think of it, what do I do with the polish fortresses? It is turn 5 now, so arty 1 is half a dozend turns away unless I get a breakthrough. Have to admit I did not really plan that far.
On the balkans Bulgaria is 1 turn away and Serbia should be dead in no more than 2. If I hurry, I think I'd be able to use its boost to take Minsk before the bad weather season. The Turks however are bound to take quite the hit.
Btw my fleet is only a bit of the Danish coast. I planned to hit the blockade with the boost from Serbia.



Bavre -> RE: The Montenegro Gambit (3/1/2021 2:23:08 AM)

Well, half the Russian army got away into the swamp in this one, which was not really satisfying. So I devised a 1.04 Version of the all east M-gambit which should be faaar more deadly than the one I used on OldCrow. Test subject wanted, veteran Entente player prefered!



OldCrowBalthazor -> RE: The Montenegro Gambit (1/24/2022 1:01:25 AM)

A year later and these tests are interesting...led to a lot of fixes. [8D]



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