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Lobster -> RE: After WitE2... (4/1/2021 2:45:42 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Sammy5IsAlive quote: ORIGINAL: RangerJoe Okay. I made my comment. Post #7: https://www.matrixgames.com/forums/tm.asp?m=4992851&mpage=1&key=� I'll put my hands up to a sense of humour fail here but I'd gently suggest that the US Marines that fought at Fallujah would most likely attest that despite the use of WP their mission in clearing the city was somewhat more complex and costly in terms of wounded and dead than simply using "a broom to sweep up the ashes". Not many wooden houses there. [:D]

Lobster -> RE: After WitE2... (4/1/2021 2:47:16 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: MrsWargamer Yes, but wouldn't it be nice if the US military could march like that? No, not really.

RangerJoe -> RE: After WitE2... (4/1/2021 3:32:51 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Lobster quote: ORIGINAL: Sammy5IsAlive quote: ORIGINAL: RangerJoe Okay. I made my comment. Post #7: https://www.matrixgames.com/forums/tm.asp?m=4992851&mpage=1&key=� I'll put my hands up to a sense of humour fail here but I'd gently suggest that the US Marines that fought at Fallujah would most likely attest that despite the use of WP their mission in clearing the city was somewhat more complex and costly in terms of wounded and dead than simply using "a broom to sweep up the ashes". Not many wooden houses there. [:D] Not just that but do you think that the Nazi Germans and the Soviet Communists would worry about collateral damage if they wanted to destroy the enemy? The USSR had not signed the Genea Convention at that time. Or are you stating that the US Marines fought on the Eastern Front during World War II? If so, whose side would they have fought on or would they shoot equally at both sides?

RFalvo69 -> RE: After WitE2... (4/1/2021 12:17:28 PM)
Meanwhile they are now in "Discovery Channel" territory. I never knew that a debate about the impact of climate on the quality of grass as food for horses could be so interesting. An informed opinion on the matter requires an unusually high level of knowledge it would seem. [:D] http://www.matrixgames.com/forums/fb.asp?m=4990229

TulliusDetritus -> RE: After WitE2... (4/1/2021 12:42:53 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: MrsWargamer Wouldn't it be awesome if the US could march like that? Can't they? Or you mean you would like to see this sort of re-enactements? The thing I noticed is the armies that actually won wars tend to march in a calm way: British, Russians and Americans. They know what they are doing and mean business... no hurry, the enemy will get some yes or yes. The other armies on the other hand... they jog and even run, as if they were anxious to meet their inevitable fate ie destruction [:D] One of the funniest and most ridiculous parades ever, in case you missed it, in the indo-pakistani border.

MrsWargamer -> RE: After WitE2... (4/1/2021 12:55:59 PM)
:) Yes, I simply can't fathom that parade either :) Very good response though.

loki100 -> RE: After WitE2... (4/1/2021 12:56:45 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: RFalvo69 Meanwhile they are now in "Discovery Channel" territory. I never knew that a debate about the impact of climate on the quality of grass as food for horses could be so interesting. An informed opinion on the matter requires an unusually high level of knowledge it would seem. [:D] http://www.matrixgames.com/forums/fb.asp?m=4990229 or to live somewhere which (a) has grass and (b) few horses ... and never used horses for farm labour as the few that did survive were the wrong type [;)] but apparently we don't model the precise mix of grass and hay as the game is utterly biased to the Soviets

gekkoguy35 -> RE: After WitE2... (4/1/2021 12:57:42 PM)
I think I blew out a knee and dislocated a hip just watching those border guards. The facial hair is fairly epic though.

RangerJoe -> RE: After WitE2... (4/1/2021 1:08:39 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: RFalvo69 Meanwhile they are now in "Discovery Channel" territory. I never knew that a debate about the impact of climate on the quality of grass as food for horses could be so interesting. An informed opinion on the matter requires an unusually high level of knowledge it would seem. [:D] http://www.matrixgames.com/forums/fb.asp?m=4990229 My comment, post #45: http://www.matrixgames.com/forums/fb.asp?m=4993382 I am surprised that they have not yet started on the latitude effect on the food production not to mention the length of the day for combat purposes. [8\|] Maybe I should throw that into the discussion . . . [:-]

RFalvo69 -> RE: After WitE2... (4/1/2021 1:47:02 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: RangerJoe quote: ORIGINAL: RFalvo69 Meanwhile they are now in "Discovery Channel" territory. I never knew that a debate about the impact of climate on the quality of grass as food for horses could be so interesting. An informed opinion on the matter requires an unusually high level of knowledge it would seem. [:D] http://www.matrixgames.com/forums/fb.asp?m=4990229 My comment, post #45: http://www.matrixgames.com/forums/fb.asp?m=4993382 I am surprised that they have not yet started on the latitude effect on the food production not to mention the length of the day for combat purposes. [8\|] Maybe I should throw that into the discussion . . . [:-] Since today is April, 1st, I got an idea! Let's airdrop Bob down there. Next, we start a thread about "OOBs in Eastern Front Scenarios for TOAW4 and their impact on realism". Then we run all back here and watch what happens from afar... [8D]

TulliusDetritus -> RE: After WitE2... (4/1/2021 1:48:10 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: RangerJoe I am surprised that they have not yet started on the latitude effect on the food production not to mention the length of the day for combat purposes. [8\|] There will always be unhappy people. From what I'm gathering German capabilities are more historical (as it should be). Leningrad was always captured in the first iteration of the game, now it seems the Wehrmacht might fail (as it should be). With all due respect but I understand this -and other obstacles courtesy of prosaic logistics- is a bitter pill to swallow for the Wehrmacht fanboys. That's where modders should step in and deliver an Andy Mac's nasty mod (a Japanese on mega steroids mod in AE, for those who don't know the game).

loki100 -> RE: After WitE2... (4/1/2021 2:10:20 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: RFalvo69 quote: ORIGINAL: RangerJoe quote: ORIGINAL: RFalvo69 Meanwhile they are now in "Discovery Channel" territory. I never knew that a debate about the impact of climate on the quality of grass as food for horses could be so interesting. An informed opinion on the matter requires an unusually high level of knowledge it would seem. [:D] http://www.matrixgames.com/forums/fb.asp?m=4990229 My comment, post #45: http://www.matrixgames.com/forums/fb.asp?m=4993382 I am surprised that they have not yet started on the latitude effect on the food production not to mention the length of the day for combat purposes. [8\|] Maybe I should throw that into the discussion . . . [:-] Since today is April, 1st, I got an idea! Let's airdrop Bob down there. Next, we start a thread about "OOBs in Eastern Front Scenarios for TOAW4 and their impact on realism". Then we run all back here and watch what happens from afar... [8D] please don't ... I'm a mod in that forum and it would be really cruel [;)] But I'm with RangerJoe, its time to talk latitude, crop patterns and the impact on the biomass of domesticated animals (and the vagaries of Soviet agriculture) edit - actually the game does model length of day for setting the effectiveness of air interdiction missions (don't say it skimps on the details)

RangerJoe -> RE: After WitE2... (4/1/2021 2:20:30 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: loki100 quote: ORIGINAL: RFalvo69 quote: ORIGINAL: RangerJoe quote: ORIGINAL: RFalvo69 Meanwhile they are now in "Discovery Channel" territory. I never knew that a debate about the impact of climate on the quality of grass as food for horses could be so interesting. An informed opinion on the matter requires an unusually high level of knowledge it would seem. [:D] http://www.matrixgames.com/forums/fb.asp?m=4990229 My comment, post #45: http://www.matrixgames.com/forums/fb.asp?m=4993382 I am surprised that they have not yet started on the latitude effect on the food production not to mention the length of the day for combat purposes. [8\|] Maybe I should throw that into the discussion . . . [:-] Since today is April, 1st, I got an idea! Let's airdrop Bob down there. Next, we start a thread about "OOBs in Eastern Front Scenarios for TOAW4 and their impact on realism". Then we run all back here and watch what happens from afar... [8D] please don't ... I'm a mod in that forum and it would be really cruel [;)] But I'm with RangerJoe, its time to talk latitude, crop patterns and the impact on the biomass of domesticated animals (and the vagaries of Soviet agriculture) edit - actually the game does model length of day for setting the effectiveness of air interdiction missions (don't say it skimps on the details) We should encourage Bob to go over there! [:D] [sm=happy0005.gif] But what I meant as far as the latitude and crops, more daylight means more growing time so the grass will grow more, hence more grass for the horses to eat as they are pulling wagon loads of heavy ammunition. You know, the grass that grows on the roads for the horses to eat as they are working. [8\|]

Lobster -> RE: After WitE2... (4/1/2021 2:36:43 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: loki100 quote: ORIGINAL: RFalvo69 quote: ORIGINAL: RangerJoe quote: ORIGINAL: RFalvo69 Meanwhile they are now in "Discovery Channel" territory. I never knew that a debate about the impact of climate on the quality of grass as food for horses could be so interesting. An informed opinion on the matter requires an unusually high level of knowledge it would seem. [:D] http://www.matrixgames.com/forums/fb.asp?m=4990229 My comment, post #45: http://www.matrixgames.com/forums/fb.asp?m=4993382 I am surprised that they have not yet started on the latitude effect on the food production not to mention the length of the day for combat purposes. [8\|] Maybe I should throw that into the discussion . . . [:-] Since today is April, 1st, I got an idea! Let's airdrop Bob down there. Next, we start a thread about "OOBs in Eastern Front Scenarios for TOAW4 and their impact on realism". Then we run all back here and watch what happens from afar... [8D] please don't ... I'm a mod in that forum and it would be really cruel [;)] But I'm with RangerJoe, its time to talk latitude, crop patterns and the impact on the biomass of domesticated animals (and the vagaries of Soviet agriculture) edit - actually the game does model length of day for setting the effectiveness of air interdiction missions (don't say it skimps on the details) Ah, but they did skimp on details. Where are the vodka rules? Russians can't exist without vodka. It's not natural.

RangerJoe -> RE: After WitE2... (4/1/2021 3:06:46 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Lobster quote: ORIGINAL: loki100 quote: ORIGINAL: RFalvo69 quote: ORIGINAL: RangerJoe quote: ORIGINAL: RFalvo69 Meanwhile they are now in "Discovery Channel" territory. I never knew that a debate about the impact of climate on the quality of grass as food for horses could be so interesting. An informed opinion on the matter requires an unusually high level of knowledge it would seem. [:D] http://www.matrixgames.com/forums/fb.asp?m=4990229 My comment, post #45: http://www.matrixgames.com/forums/fb.asp?m=4993382 I am surprised that they have not yet started on the latitude effect on the food production not to mention the length of the day for combat purposes. [8\|] Maybe I should throw that into the discussion . . . [:-] Since today is April, 1st, I got an idea! Let's airdrop Bob down there. Next, we start a thread about "OOBs in Eastern Front Scenarios for TOAW4 and their impact on realism". Then we run all back here and watch what happens from afar... [8D] please don't ... I'm a mod in that forum and it would be really cruel [;)] But I'm with RangerJoe, its time to talk latitude, crop patterns and the impact on the biomass of domesticated animals (and the vagaries of Soviet agriculture) edit - actually the game does model length of day for setting the effectiveness of air interdiction missions (don't say it skimps on the details) Ah, but they did skimp on details. Where are the vodka rules? Russians can't exist without vodka. It's not natural. Maybe that is what the Germans referred to as the Russian "Korn" alcohol beverage.

Curtis Lemay -> RE: After WitE2... (4/1/2021 3:10:43 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: RFalvo69 Since today is April, 1st, I got an idea! Let's airdrop Bob down there. Next, we start a thread about "OOBs in Eastern Front Scenarios for TOAW4 and their impact on realism". Then we run all back here and watch what happens from afar... [8D] I don't know anything about it and I don't have time to learn. But if I were evaluating it I wouldn't be asking about minutia. I'd be asking about results. Was there a full playtest by experts prior to launch? And where is that AAR?

RFalvo69 -> RE: After WitE2... (4/1/2021 3:26:27 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Lobster quote: ORIGINAL: loki100 quote: ORIGINAL: RFalvo69 quote: ORIGINAL: RangerJoe quote: ORIGINAL: RFalvo69 Meanwhile they are now in "Discovery Channel" territory. I never knew that a debate about the impact of climate on the quality of grass as food for horses could be so interesting. An informed opinion on the matter requires an unusually high level of knowledge it would seem. [:D] http://www.matrixgames.com/forums/fb.asp?m=4990229 My comment, post #45: http://www.matrixgames.com/forums/fb.asp?m=4993382 I am surprised that they have not yet started on the latitude effect on the food production not to mention the length of the day for combat purposes. [8\|] Maybe I should throw that into the discussion . . . [:-] Since today is April, 1st, I got an idea! Let's airdrop Bob down there. Next, we start a thread about "OOBs in Eastern Front Scenarios for TOAW4 and their impact on realism". Then we run all back here and watch what happens from afar... [8D] please don't ... I'm a mod in that forum and it would be really cruel [;)] But I'm with RangerJoe, its time to talk latitude, crop patterns and the impact on the biomass of domesticated animals (and the vagaries of Soviet agriculture) edit - actually the game does model length of day for setting the effectiveness of air interdiction missions (don't say it skimps on the details) Ah, but they did skimp on details. Where are the vodka rules? Russians can't exist without vodka. It's not natural. Time for a "water for the pasta" rule for when the Italians enter the fray [;)]

MrsWargamer -> RE: After WitE2... (4/1/2021 5:55:04 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Curtis Lemay quote: ORIGINAL: RFalvo69 Since today is April, 1st, I got an idea! Let's airdrop Bob down there. Next, we start a thread about "OOBs in Eastern Front Scenarios for TOAW4 and their impact on realism". Then we run all back here and watch what happens from afar... [8D] I don't know anything about it and I don't have time to learn. But if I were evaluating it I wouldn't be asking about minutia. I'd be asking about results. Was there a full playtest by experts prior to launch? And where is that AAR? I think I'm with Curtis here. AARs or it isn't real :) I'm likely going to be watching this, but this is a 1 year later purchase if ever.

Zovs -> RE: After WitE2... (4/1/2021 7:59:42 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Curtis Lemay quote: ORIGINAL: RFalvo69 Since today is April, 1st, I got an idea! Let's airdrop Bob down there. Next, we start a thread about "OOBs in Eastern Front Scenarios for TOAW4 and their impact on realism". Then we run all back here and watch what happens from afar... [8D] I don't know anything about it and I don't have time to learn. But if I were evaluating it I wouldn't be asking about minutia. I'd be asking about results. Was there a full playtest by experts prior to launch? And where is that AAR? Yes there was and we can't show you the AAR, its forbidden, no soup for you.

RFalvo69 -> RE: After WitE2... (4/1/2021 8:11:47 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Zovs quote: ORIGINAL: Curtis Lemay quote: ORIGINAL: RFalvo69 Since today is April, 1st, I got an idea! Let's airdrop Bob down there. Next, we start a thread about "OOBs in Eastern Front Scenarios for TOAW4 and their impact on realism". Then we run all back here and watch what happens from afar... [8D] I don't know anything about it and I don't have time to learn. But if I were evaluating it I wouldn't be asking about minutia. I'd be asking about results. Was there a full playtest by experts prior to launch? And where is that AAR? Yes there was and we can't show you the AAR, its forbidden, no soup for you. They boasted a lot about the new "weather system". My question is: is it stacked so that the Germans get a "superwinter" at the end of the first year? Because, if "no, it can happen but it is a possibility among many" then the Russians can only pray. But if "yes, no matter what, the first winter is a killer" then the Germans start with a key knowledge they couldn't possibly have in real life. Also, I guess that Guderian will not be sacked if the Germans do retreat at the end of 1941 before the superwinter (unless they are really winning), form a sane line of defense against the Siberians' counterattack and hope for a better 1942. I.e. In both cases the Russians get the short stick.

rustysi -> RE: After WitE2... (4/1/2021 8:30:23 PM)
quote: Yes, but the crucial point was the annihilation of the Japanese naval air personnel. This is somewhat of a misconception of the battle. While Japan did lose quite a number of mechanics, their pilot losses weren't as much as many think. According to Shattered Sword, pilot losses were in the neighborhood of about 25%. Not insignificant, but certainly not a catastrophe.

gamer78 -> RE: After WitE2... (4/1/2021 10:22:30 PM)
War in the Pacific Admiral Edition remake. I'got the game 9 years ago and like the graphics but more modern interface and command structure would be excellent.

Lobster -> RE: After WitE2... (4/1/2021 10:29:29 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: rustysi quote: Yes, but the crucial point was the annihilation of the Japanese naval air personnel. This is somewhat of a misconception of the battle. While Japan did lose quite a number of mechanics, their pilot losses weren't as much as many think. According to Shattered Sword, pilot losses were in the neighborhood of about 25%. Not insignificant, but certainly not a catastrophe. Numbers vary but in excess of 200 pilots lost. 25% losses is not trivial and considering how urgently replacements were needed placing inexperienced pilots out there pressured the remaining experienced pilots. The loss of four carriers, all the aircraft and a large number of pilots...we all know the end to that story.

Zovs -> RE: After WitE2... (4/2/2021 7:35:23 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: RFalvo69 quote: ORIGINAL: Zovs quote: ORIGINAL: Curtis Lemay quote: ORIGINAL: RFalvo69 Since today is April, 1st, I got an idea! Let's airdrop Bob down there. Next, we start a thread about "OOBs in Eastern Front Scenarios for TOAW4 and their impact on realism". Then we run all back here and watch what happens from afar... [8D] I don't know anything about it and I don't have time to learn. But if I were evaluating it I wouldn't be asking about minutia. I'd be asking about results. Was there a full playtest by experts prior to launch? And where is that AAR? Yes there was and we can't show you the AAR, its forbidden, no soup for you. They boasted a lot about the new "weather system". My question is: is it stacked so that the Germans get a "superwinter" at the end of the first year? Because, if "no, it can happen but it is a possibility among many" then the Russians can only pray. But if "yes, no matter what, the first winter is a killer" then the Germans start with a key knowledge they couldn't possibly have in real life. Also, I guess that Guderian will not be sacked if the Germans do retreat at the end of 1941 before the superwinter (unless they are really winning), form a sane line of defense against the Siberians' counterattack and hope for a better 1942. I.e. In both cases the Russians get the short stick. This was added: 3. Previously Undocumented Rule (was already in 1.00) - Axis units in heavy snow from December 1941 to March 1942 have their defensive CV modified as follows: Dec 1941 - /2 Jan 1942 - /1.5 Feb 1942 - /1.33 This is reflected in the CV values shown on the map. In addition, once in combat, there are admin and land combat rating checks made. For each failed check, the defense value is modified an additional time. So a unit in Jan 1942 in heavy snow can have its CV divided by 1.5 up to 3 times if it fails both checks.

IslandInland -> RE: After WitE2... (4/2/2021 10:21:40 PM)
WITE 2 replaces WITW as the greatest computer wargame ever made. Everyone who loves wargames should buy it and be thankful it even exists. We need more of these games and the only way to ensure that is to buy the game.

Lobster -> RE: After WitE2... (4/2/2021 10:56:54 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: IslandInland WITE 2 replaces WITW as the greatest computer wargame ever made. OMG. [8\|] [:D] If they had dumped the 'combat as movement' fantasy I might have agreed. Again, opinions and belly buttons, everyone has one. [;)]

MrsWargamer -> RE: After WitE2... (4/3/2021 12:29:37 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: IslandInland WITE 2 replaces WITW as the greatest computer wargame ever made. Everyone who loves wargames should buy it and be thankful it even exists. We need more of these games and the only way to ensure that is to buy the game. Hmm I'd need for Gary to take me out to dinner before he gets THAT much love :)

IslandInland -> RE: After WitE2... (4/3/2021 12:31:03 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Lobster quote: ORIGINAL: IslandInland WITE 2 replaces WITW as the greatest computer wargame ever made. OMG. [8\|] [:D] If they had dumped the 'combat as movement' fantasy I might have agreed. Again, opinions and belly buttons, everyone has one. [;)] I don't follow your tweets/Insta/FB or read your posts so I've no idea what you mean by this.

IslandInland -> RE: After WitE2... (4/3/2021 2:14:01 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: MrsWargamer quote: ORIGINAL: IslandInland WITE 2 replaces WITW as the greatest computer wargame ever made. Everyone who loves wargames should buy it and be thankful it even exists. We need more of these games and the only way to ensure that is to buy the game. Hmm I'd need for Gary to take me out to dinner before he gets THAT much love :) You'd be too busy with all the other wargame devs taking you out.* *Out on the town. Not in a Goodfellas/Godfather/Scarface sense. [:)]

Lobster -> RE: After WitE2... (4/3/2021 2:22:08 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: IslandInland quote: ORIGINAL: Lobster quote: ORIGINAL: IslandInland WITE 2 replaces WITW as the greatest computer wargame ever made. OMG. [8\|] [:D] If they had dumped the 'combat as movement' fantasy I might have agreed. Again, opinions and belly buttons, everyone has one. [;)] I don't follow your tweets/Insta/FB or read your posts so I've no idea what you mean by this. [image]local://upfiles/45799/E232C013D4B34D6397BC37E71D0D5080.jpg[/image] BTW, I don't FB, Insta except for instant coffee nor tweet even to the birds. [:D][:D][:D]

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