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WEXF -> Thailand? (3/8/2021 1:42:11 PM)
I am clear on the Thai forces that start the game and on those that appear if Allied ground units move into Thailand. I am wondering if an Allied recon flight over Thailand or a bombing run against an airfield or base in Thailand also triggers the arrival of the additional units? I have looked for an answer in the forum but so far no luck. Simple question (I hope). WEXF

BBfanboy -> RE: Thailand? (3/8/2021 1:52:52 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: WEXF I am clear on the Thai forces that start the game and on those that appear if Allied ground units move into Thailand. I am wondering if an Allied recon flight over Thailand or a bombing run against an airfield or base in Thailand also triggers the arrival of the additional units? I have looked for an answer in the forum but so far no luck. Simple question (I hope). WEXF I think it is boots on the ground to trigger the emergency reinforcements. At one time Soviet activation could be triggered by a recon flight or Japanese ships entering a Soviet port hex, but I think that was taken out in the last official patch. At any rate, the starting Thai units are unimpressive so I doubt that reinforcements would be well equipped, well experienced nor have all their men. Sometimes when supply is tight it is a detriment to have this sort of reinforcement.

ITAKLinus -> RE: Thailand? (3/8/2021 4:28:06 PM)
I got Vietnam forces activation only with boots on the ground (from china in my case). Static units. Useless. Got bombing runs on Bangkok from Burma and nothing happened as far as I can tell (years have passed)

RangerJoe -> RE: Thailand? (3/8/2021 4:44:28 PM)
In Indochina, the units come in during 1942 only, if I remember correctly. Up to four units, one each for each enemy unit that enters the territory. To learn more about "emergency reinforcements" search using that term by posts from Bullwinkle.

WEXF -> RE: Thailand? (3/8/2021 5:00:26 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: ITAKLinus I got Vietnam forces activation only with boots on the ground (from china in my case). Static units. Useless. Got bombing runs on Bangkok from Burma and nothing happened as far as I can tell (years have passed) Are you saying that the Vietnam units that enter (up to 4 divisions) are "Static" meaning that they cannot move at all or are you saying that they are restricted? Can they be moved to the north of Thailand by rail to join the Thai army? Could someone please post a screen shot of one of the Vietnam Divisions? WEXF

ITAKLinus -> RE: Thailand? (3/8/2021 5:10:39 PM)
I don't have the game in front of me now. I will eventually later on. They're static in the sense of the word, not permanently restricted. They appeared in Haiphong, Hanoi and a couple of other locations in the area.

RangerJoe -> RE: Thailand? (3/8/2021 5:18:57 PM)
Those units are actually Viet Minh if I remember correctly.

WEXF -> RE: Thailand? (3/8/2021 6:01:04 PM)
Here is a screenshot of one of the Thai Army divisions that are in the game at the start. It shows that they are restricted and cannot be bought out-so they are going to stay in Thailand for the game until they are withdrawn. I am looking to see what the unit screen for the "up to 4 "Vichy" units" looks like. In the handbook it says they arrive at 25% strength. The Thai divisions are at full TOE but have lots of disabled elements. WEXF [image]local://upfiles/74029/2FE5B742C440400D81D14980EE4C36D9.jpg[/image]

RangerJoe -> RE: Thailand? (3/8/2021 6:10:40 PM)
You can change that restriction in the editor if you need to. Those units can walk or rail outside of Thailand, the national borders mean nothing to the restriction in this regard. You can not load them onto ships and move them.

WEXF -> RE: Thailand? (3/8/2021 6:28:14 PM)
Got it. Thanks. So they are a real threat to be part of the Japanese force heading into Burma. It seems like it would be smart to engage them early when they are low in morale and experience and don't have the support of the Japanese main line troops. So many choices! WEXF

GetAssista -> RE: Thailand? (3/8/2021 7:06:01 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: ITAKLinus They're static in the sense of the word, not permanently restricted. They appeared in Haiphong, Hanoi and a couple of other locations in the area. They are not static in stock scenarios (permanently restricted yes), I have one garrisoning Singers in the AI game. Shamelessly baited Chinese AI to get them for garrison duty

ITAKLinus -> RE: Thailand? (3/8/2021 7:08:44 PM)
They can go wherever, just, being [R], they cannot be shipped or airlifted. My Thai units fought to defend Karachi in spring 1944... They can definitely be productively used out of thailand. Their morale is not such a big issue, but their exp level remains low accordingly to my experience. Their leaders are just awful but it takes a huge amount of PPs to change them, so they generally remain the same through the game. Thai units are quite good after all and they can perform various duties such as garrisoning the Thai coast south of Burma, etcetc. I am a great Thai divisions lover.

rustysi -> RE: Thailand? (3/8/2021 7:23:53 PM)
quote: being [R], they cannot be shipped or airlifted. [R] units may be airlifted to a base of the same restriction. I do it regularly between Honshu and Hokkaido.

WEXF -> RE: Thailand? (3/8/2021 7:31:02 PM)
Looking not at the Thai units but at the 4 divisions of "Vichy" troops it seems that once they are activated by the Allies invading Thailand with ground troops they could travel by train (using the one at Hanoi as an example) from Hanoi to Saigon (690 miles) then by road to PhPen (138 miles) then by RR to Chang Mai (736 miles) and be ready to start walking into Burma in what looks like about a bit more than 2-3 weeks after activation. They could also be used to head south to help in the attack on Singapore if activated early enough. Just trying to understand things to decide if it is a smart move as the Allies to enter Thailand early. WEXF

WEXF -> RE: Thailand? (3/9/2021 12:13:03 PM)
Here is a screenshot of the VM unit in Hanoi that was activated by the Allies invading Thailand. It is from a game that is in Feb. 42 and the invasion took place in Dec. 41 so the details on experience, etc. are likely not what they were at the beginning. Looking at the unit screen it says the unit is "STATIC" and the ability to move is greyed out. I take that to mean that this unit cannot move at all. Not by ship or rail or even by foot. Am I missing something? WEXF [image]local://upfiles/74029/1B5A99806C33433D9F2D812CCBA9F341.jpg[/image]

Moltrey -> RE: Thailand? (3/9/2021 12:50:13 PM)
I think what we have is more a mislabeling issue. As you say, clearly the 1st VM Division is Static, but the "Infantry Unit" immediately following leads one to believe it is mobile. Should have been labeled something more appropriate like "Defense Force", etc. as it has all the types of units like guns and AAA that permanent defense units have. It likely wasn't caught due to these units not being activated as much as most in the game.

WEXF -> RE: Thailand? (3/9/2021 2:28:42 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Moltrey but the "Infantry Unit" immediately following leads one to believe it is mobile. I don't understand the reference in the quote. What Infantry Unit are you talking about? The 1st VM Division is an infantry unit. I don't see anything about a second infantry unit.

GetAssista -> RE: Thailand? (3/9/2021 3:46:09 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Moltrey I think what we have is more a mislabeling issue. As you say, clearly the 1st VM Division is Static, but the "Infantry Unit" immediately following leads one to believe it is mobile. Should have been labeled something more appropriate like "Defense Force", etc. as it has all the types of units like guns and AAA that permanent defense units have. It is static for all intents and purposes, the game labels it as such, and it cannot move. Infantry type has nothing to do with it, IIRC there are some INF brigades in Northern India that are static until they upgrade their immovable devices later. My stock 2 scenario has militia regiments instead (see picture) which are mobile. I now suspect mobilization is Andy's doing when he refurbished the scenario [image]local://upfiles/32892/2C7F0947F5C74175BE9B962B60EB64C6.jpg[/image]

BBfanboy -> RE: Thailand? (3/9/2021 3:59:35 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: GetAssista quote: ORIGINAL: Moltrey I think what we have is more a mislabeling issue. As you say, clearly the 1st VM Division is Static, but the "Infantry Unit" immediately following leads one to believe it is mobile. Should have been labeled something more appropriate like "Defense Force", etc. as it has all the types of units like guns and AAA that permanent defense units have. It is static for all intents and purposes, the game labels it as such, and it cannot move. Infantry type has nothing to do with it, IIRC there are some INF brigades in Northern India that are static until they upgrade their immovable devices later. My stock 2 scenario has militia regiments instead (see picture) which are mobile. I now suspect mobilization is Andy's doing when he refurbished the scenario [image]local://upfiles/32892/2C7F0947F5C74175BE9B962B60EB64C6.jpg[/image] Did that Militia Regiment arrive as an emergency reinforcement?

WEXF -> RE: Thailand? (3/9/2021 4:36:36 PM)
I think I have what I wanted to find out about the units that arrive from the Allied invasion of Thailand. If I have missed anything on those 4 units please post it here. Thanks WEXF

BBfanboy -> RE: Thailand? (3/9/2021 7:51:18 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: WEXF I think I have what I wanted to find out about the units that arrive from the Allied invasion of Thailand. If I have missed anything on those 4 units please post it here. Thanks WEXF Thailand is not Indochina is not Vietnam. Indochina is a generic western name for the region but Thailand, Cambodia and Vietnam were already separate states and Laos broke away soon after the war. So the Viet Minh are only triggered if Vietnam is invaded. I am not sure about the Thai reinforcements because the Allies do not usually get to invade there before the Thai government switched sides (in 1944?). The Vietminh worked with the US OSS in the later part of the war but on guerilla activity, not nationally organized troops IIRC. Their prime motivator was to free their country from colonization by any other country, including Japan and France. Unfortunately the support the US had for their aims withered after the war and the French came back expecting to resume their former colonial policies. Not good for anyone.

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